Wizard Labs advice on nicotine storage (LONG POST)

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FYI I am not affiliated with Wizard Labs, I'm a customer that had a positive experience with their tech support.

I ordered some some DIY supplies from Wizard Labs and used their tech support form to ask whether the freezer or room temp (72-78F) was better for storing nicotine base to maximize shelf life. The response went above and beyond what I asked, but served me as a good primer on proper storage. Thought some folks here might find it useful information. I shortened the authors name to initials because I wasn't sure about posting someone else's name online. This is his response:


Thanks for the enquiry.
Just to clarify, nicotine doesn't have a shelf life as is normally used in
the food industry.
It won't spoil, and be unsafe to consume like a food product.
In the chemical industry, the "expiration date", or retest date, is usually
based on prior stability testing to indicate when a chemical, or solution
should be retested to assure it still meets the original specs for usage.

Nicotine will oxidize in reaction to oxygen, light, heat, and moisture to
form nicotine oxides.
These oxides are strongly colored, and are responsible for the yellow,
brown, and sometimes pink or red shades that you may see develop in nicotine
solutions over time.
In addition to the color change, the solution may develop a stronger
characteristic nicotine aroma, and taste which might interfere with very
light, or delicate flavorings.
When this happens it doesn't mean that a solution is now unusable, but
depending on individual tastes, you may find a heavily oxidized solution
only suitable for use with tobaccos (some find this even preferable), or
other strong flavorings.

While you cannot completely prevent the oxidation process once the pure
extract has been opened and mixed, there are a few storage procedures you
can follow to reduce exposure, and keep the solution as close to it's
original state for the longest period of time as possible.

Nicotine solutions should be stored in amber glass containers with a tight
fitting cap to prevent exposure to oxygen, light, and moisture.
If a nicotine solution is going to be used immediately over the course of a
few weeks, leaving it in the plastic shipping container is acceptable, but
if longer storage is needed, the solution should be transferred into glass
containers due to their superior oxygen barrier, and non-reactive
properties.
*** NOTE: Always properly label any rebottled solutions and chemicals! ***

To avoid repeated exposure of the entire solution to oxygen and moisture
during use, we recommend that the solution be divided up among several
smaller amber glass bottles instead of stored in one large bottle.
This way, you can take one small bottle from storage for short term use
while leaving the other bottles sealed, and untouched until needed at a
later date.
Store the filled amber glass bottles in a freezer to help slow down
molecular movement, and chemical reactions in the solution.
When filling the amber glass bottles, leave a minimal air space at the top
of the neck (approximately 1/4") for possible heat expansion when the bottle
is removed from cold storage, and allowed to warm to room temperature again.

Storage and handling recommendations are the same for both propylene glycol,
and glycerin based nicotine solutions.

On a side note, during our stability testing we've consistently witnessed
faster oxidation of VG based solutions in comparison to PG based solutions.
Whether this is due to a difference of hygroscopic properties, retention of
microbubbles during mixing, or other factors is unknown, but I thought I'd
include that for your own interest.

Thanks again for the good questions, and if we can be of any further help
just let me know.

Best regards,

J. M.
Wizard Labs
 

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Great information. I've been aware of all the information supplied and glad that I've been following what was mentioned above. What did surprise me was the statement that faster oxidation of VG based solutions was witnessed in there testing as compared to PG based NIC solutions. This I was not aware of.
 
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Great information. I've been aware of all the information supplied and glad that I've been following what was mentioned above. What did surprise me was the statement that faster oxidation of VG based solutions was witnessed in there testing as compared to PG based NIC solutions. This I was not aware of.

That surprises me to Danny, I thought with Nic in VG being thicker it would have had a slower rate of oxidation in the freezer.

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Great stuff. And all perfectly logical in a laboratory setting. In lieu of amber bottles, one could use aluminum foil wrapped clear glass bottles, if that's all you have. That takes care of the photo-reactivity.

As for the oxidation problem, splitting the product up, and leaving minimum (but just enough) head space, and freezing, is brilliant. But I'm guessing just refrigeration would probably be sufficient. At least for the opened bottle you're using.

That VG micro-air-bubble idea sounds right on. Vigorous mixing will leave tiny air bubbles dispersed throughout the contents. VG, being so viscous, may keep these bubbles suspended forever, resulting in exponentially greater surface area exposure of air/O2 to the nicotine. Most nic comes in PG anyway, so that won't be a problem for most of us.

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That surprises me to Danny, I thought with Nic in VG being thicker it would have had a slower rate of oxidation in the freezer.

Cheers,
Steve

I'm not so sure this is spicific to freezing. The statement was stated as part of there stability testing and freezing was not mentioned as part of the stability test. I think this is regardless of how it's stored.
 

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I guess what I would like to know is, what if the nic base is a 50/50 mix, would that stabilize the nic in the vg for a longer time?
I bought both because most of what I vape is 50/50, so I thought it would make mixing a bit easier, I was not planning to mix them at 50/50 until I was ready to make a mix, but if it could make my vg based nic last longer, I would do it.

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Faster oxidation in VG vs PG does not surprise me if the experiment was at room temperature. At room temp the differences will be largely dependent on how much O2 is naturally dissolved in the VG or PG, with VG being higher. In other words, there is always a little O2 in the VG or PG, no matter what you do (glass vs plastic, N2 or Ar gas on top, etc). Can't avoid it, and VG or PG cannot easily be de-gassed. No need of manufacturers to do that, but if it was, it would be very expensive.

In the freezer, this is another story entirely. VG sets up like a thick glue and keeps nic and O2 molecule from moving around and finding each other. PG is far more liquid in the freezer, so molecule mobility is higher. Both will be GREATLY slowed by freezer temperatures.

Some of my PG-nic was a deep orange after a year in the freezer in glass (slightly yellow initially). Some PG-nics I had did not change that I could tell after a year. So it may depend on the purity of the nic initially, how much other tobacco compounds are present (they can oxidize too). The VG-nics that I put into the freezer 4+ years ago are unchanged.
 
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Thanks for that Kurt!!! I buy my Nic in VG and store in the freezer in 60ml amber glass bottles with poly-cone caps filled just about to the top to limit O2. I thought I remembered reading a few posts from you on the subject. Wondered if in my advanced age I was losing my mind for a second when I read the first post :lol:

Cheers,
Steve

Edit I also wondered is those tests were done at room temperature
 
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Faster oxidation in VG vs PG does not surprise me if the experiment was at room temperature. At room temp the differences will be largely dependent on how much O2 is naturally dissolved in the VG or PG, with VG being higher. In other words, there is always a little O2 in the VG or PG, no matter what you do (glass vs plastic, N2 or Ar gas on top, etc). Can't avoid it, and VG or PG cannot easily be de-gassed. No need of manufacturers to do that, but if it was, it would be very expensive.

In the freezer, this is another story entirely. VG sets up like a thick glue and keeps nic and O2 molecule from moving around and finding each other. PG is far more liquid in the freezer, so molecule mobility is higher. Both will be GREATLY slowed by freezer temperatures.

Some of my PG-nic was a deep orange after a year in the freezer in glass (slightly yellow initially). Some PG-nics I had did not change that I could tell after a year. So it may depend on the purity of the nic initially, how much other tobacco compounds are present (they can oxidize too). The VG-nics that I put into the freezer 4+ years ago are unchanged.

Um, so at the risk of appearing stupid, if the following assumptions prevail:

1) I have the choice between getting 10% in PG or VG; AND

2) My initial plan is to transfer 1L into 60ml amber bottles (which will be completely unfrozen as I need them) with tight-fitting caps and then put in a residential freezer; AND

3) I'm only interested in eventually making e-juice for myself, and I don't really care that much what it looks like or what it tastes like, so long as it's not horrible and has the nic in it; AND

4) I would prefer the storage to be as long-term as possible (i.e as many years)

THEN:

a) I am better off selecting VG (as opposed to PG) as the medium, because it's more viscous at the temperatures in Q, or for some other reason. EXCLUSIVE-OR:

b) I am better off selecting PG (as opposed to VG) as the medium, because it has a lower freezering point, or for some other reason. EXCLUSIVE-OR:

c) It doesn't matter: VG and PG are each likely to have the same approx. longevity. EXCLUSIVE-OR:

d) None of a), b), or c) above is an aceptable answer because there are too many unknown variables, the prerequisites to the question (#1-#4) are too ambiguous, or for some other reason.

[Note: the logical exclusive-or operator is probably familiar to all readers of this post. However, to clarify, it means that only one thing can be true. For example, if Bob is 6 feet tall and weighs 80 kg, we can say Bob is 6 feet tall or weighs 80 kg. However it is not true that: (Bob is 6 feet tall XOR weighs 80 kg).]

I understand, of course that this is chemistry, and probably it may not be summarizeable in this simplistic way. So if I get a 1000-word response to the Q which begins with the words "It depends ..." (and involves conditions tnat I can neither comprehend and/or evaluate) well, okay. Serves me right for not knowing chemistry :laugh:

(a) appears to be the best answer to me. But what do I know?

I don't mean to be rude. I just don't think my Q was ever answered in the many posts that I've read. And once again, I apologize for not being a chemist. (Really.)
 
This is great, thanks! It turns out I instinctively stored my nicotine exactly correctly--in amber glass, separate containers, minimum headroom, in the freezer.

After more than a year, it's still the exact same very slightly golden hue it was when I got it, has no detectable flavor, and works perfectly in my DIY. I'm sure it's lost a tiny bit of potency, but I'm equally sure I'd never notice.
 
Um, so at the risk of appearing stupid, if the following assumptions prevail:

1) I have the choice between getting 10% in PG or VG; AND

Per the OP, less oxidation is observed in PG than VG, probably because VG is fiercely hygroscopic. PG is only really hygroscopic. :)

Off the cuff, PG seems to be the better storage vehicle as less oxidation = less discoloration and flavor change (and potency drop, but I don't expect that to be severe in either case when properly stored).

2) My initial plan is to transfer 1L into 60ml amber bottles (which will be completely unfrozen as I need them) with tight-fitting caps and then put in a residential freezer; AND

Probably overkill. I have 1,500 ml on hand for personal use (since I vape 5 mg/ml that's a LONG time). I have it in three 500 ml bottles with a little leftover in an appropriately-sized bottle in the freezer. That appropriately sized bottle kept changing, but the others are stored with minimal headroom and show no visible change in over a year.

It's not going to hurt to store in small bottles, it's just going to involve a lot of small bottles if you order a lot.

a) I am better off selecting VG (as opposed to PG) as the medium, because it's more viscous at the temperatures in Q, or for some other reason. EXCLUSIVE-OR:

b) I am better off selecting PG (as opposed to VG) as the medium, because it has a lower freezering point, or for some other reason. EXCLUSIVE-OR:

c) It doesn't matter: VG and PG are each likely to have the same approx. longevity. EXCLUSIVE-OR:

d) None of a), b), or c) above is an aceptable answer because there are too many unknown variables, the prerequisites to the question (#1-#4) are too ambiguous, or for some other reason.

B with an overtone of C, depending on how fast you use your liter. If we're talking a year, freezer storage of VG is fine. If we're talking three to five, then definitely B.

D is out, assuming you store in amber glass in a freezer. Since you already specified this, I discarded it.

I personally keep 60 ml of working nic solution in the refrigerator as it's easier to handle and my hand doesn't freeze to the glass. Amounts this small are used fast enough that I'm not worried about the extra heat.
 
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