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pdib

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when I was a kid, we used to visit our extended family in Soviet dominated Hungary. All the way up until I was about 20. I've been hearkening back to a lot of the stuff I used to see there that I thought was bizarre, scary, hilarious, unfair . .. Orwellian. Anyway, point being, I'll let'cha all know when we get there . . . here . . .. when it's about the same here as the Eastern Block was back then. [because . . . we gettin' close . . .]
 

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When a society ends up driven only by money, it is poorer for it.

My family history comes from Ireland at about the turn of the century when my grandfather moved to England after yet another potato famine there. He told me he was so hungry he'd eat the pig's swill.
As you might imagine, my mother had rather stern views on eating food that was placed in front of you. Allergies my arsenal!

What we have here and what you had in Hungary and to an extent Germany for all those years with the wall in place, was a democratic deficit, if you will. You write to the politicians and tell them how you quit smoking by vaping, and they take the money from BP and BT and vote how they like.
It is the difference between a representative and a delegate. i have told my local reps and senators that if they vote down vaping, not only will i not vote for them, but i'll motivate as many others as i can to do the same. They do not represent me and they will be replaced.

Vapers are typically older ex-smokers, most likely at their peak of earnings. We could be a rather powerful demographic block.

T
 

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Vapers are typically older ex-smokers, most likely at their peak of earnings. We could be a rather powerful demographic block.

I could like this all day.

Same with truckers.

If only there weren't so many of us frozen in atrophy claiming they're only 1 person.

I've been involved in stopping a few pieces of legislation.

But truckers and vapers couldn't get out of their seats to pull a lever if their arses were ablaze. :glare:

Never seen 2 groups so willing to give up their liberties in my life.

Our forefathers would roll right out of their graves.

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I've posted elsewhere that for me personally it'll make not much difference since i've not used nic for a while. I can easily buy 10 yr's worth of nic for HRH (aand i have a chest freezer now thanks Ross ;) )

But what pisses me off is that people wishing to stop smoking as i did will be denied that. That is not what a government focussed on the health of its citizens ought to be doing.

When it comes down to court cases, and it will, then it's all about funding. Hope we're all ready.

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And come August if there hasn't been an injunction filed and our friendly bee cannot make his mods, I for one know that he also makes some killer custom handcrafted paperweights made of stabilised wood which surve their purpose brilliantly. I intend to fill my desk with them since I have a desk full of loose paperwork.
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there you go, my man! I'm not that one dimensional in my woodworking. I can make paperweights .. . binoculars for the blind .. . "his and hers" specimen vial holders . . . . miniature dollhouse double keg cabinets for dollhouse toga parties.

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But what pisses me off is that people wishing to stop smoking as i did will be denied that. That is not what a government focussed on the health of its citizens ought to be doing.


↑ this. so totally this.

we'll work it out for ourselves. it's the people yet to benefit from it who are truly screwed. biggest (r)evolution in health since, like, the toothbrush or something, and our dear politicians are willing to sell the health of millions/billions of people (future people. .. . people from the future! :eek: :D ) for a couple more dingles in their slime bucket.
 

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When a society ends up driven only by money, it is poorer for it.

My family history comes from Ireland at about the turn of the century when my grandfather moved to England after yet another potato famine there. He told me he was so hungry he'd eat the pig's swill.
As you might imagine, my mother had rather stern views on eating food that was placed in front of you. Allergies my arsenal!

What we have here and what you had in Hungary and to an extent Germany for all those years with the wall in place, was a democratic deficit, if you will. You write to the politicians and tell them how you quit smoking by vaping, and they take the money from BP and BT and vote how they like.
It is the difference between a representative and a delegate. i have told my local reps and senators that if they vote down vaping, not only will i not vote for them, but i'll motivate as many others as i can to do the same. They do not represent me and they will be replaced.

Vapers are typically older ex-smokers, most likely at their peak of earnings. We could be a rather powerful demographic block.

T
Well said!!
 

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DeeOhGee is a good name for a dog.
and thats what my pitbulls name was way back in 1986,he was a good hiway companion til the tire blew and he tried bailing out the window!!!75 mph and im drivin with the front left blown out and hangin onto his tail to keep the ashend of him in the 67 cutlass holiday coupe!!wow what a trip that was...poor dog was scared almost crapless...cept fer the lil bit on the seat...lol.what a memory...lol.mine was D.O.G. also,kool way to get everyone to know how to say it though penge

after reading the fda crap my above post seems unneeded.just so furious at our govt entities!thier all SCUM!!at the momoent finding and signing petitions and will be on the phone to my beurocrates(sp) tomorrow!this is BULLSIHT!
 
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No scalene triangles?

You knew i'd growl a bit at this stuff.

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Go Trunker go..... I'm right there with you!!

Our political system is so screwed up and corrupt i have no faith in it. Don't believe that..... all one has to do is see what our choice for Pres is going to be:facepalm:

It's all about the money and power obtainable. We have no representation anymore.....just an endless supply of greedy, corruptible politicians and bureaucrats
 

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Oh, power is a different animal, Ross runs his own business and Steve flies aircraft. i make gaskets and Dibby makes carved bits of wood.

just an endless supply of greedy, corruptible politicians and bureaucrats

You can see them in any town.

T
 

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But what pisses me off is that people wishing to stop smoking as i did will be denied that. That is not what a government focussed on the health of its citizens ought to be doing.

This is what motivates me. I may be fine with my stores, but not everyone has that luxury. Nothing would please me more than to eradicate BT, but I am more realistic. I want to see others have the same opportunities that I have and be allowed the ability to make the choice for themselves.
 

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This is what motivates me. I may be fine with my stores, but not everyone has that luxury. Nothing would please me more than to eradicate BT, but I am more realistic. I want to see others have the same opportunities that I have and be allowed the ability to make the choice for themselves.

Their own government is denying them that. Why is that?

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Their own government is denying them that. Why is that?

T

Because too many people sat around on their hands when little things were whittled away. By the time they realized they had been manipulated, they could no longer stop it. Some find it easier to turn a blind eye than to take on the task which requires effort.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
 

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Because too many people sat around on their hands when little things were whittled away. By the time they realized they had been manipulated, they could no longer stop it. Some find it easier to turn a blind eye than to take on the task which requires effort.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

well, it's too late now. and i weep dry tears.

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Oh, power is a different animal, Ross runs his own business and Steve flies aircraft. i make gaskets and Dibby makes carved bits of wood.
You can see them in any town.
Yep. There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who seek power over others and those who don't. I'm in the latter camp. Yes, I own a business and have employees, but having employees is is not something I sought out, it just sorta happened, and I don't relish it at all.

None of this FDA nonsense affects me personally. I still use plenty of nic, but I've got more than enough to last me the rest of my life. Ditto with gear. I gave up chasing a "better vape" quite some time ago. Yet somehow, I am LIVID. How dare they try to prevent others from taking a path similar to the one that finally got me off smokes 2-1/2 years ago?

Without vaping, I'm certain I'd still be smoking, and the difference between the two in terms of health and general quality of life is astonishing. Unfortunately, the door to that path is closing. I guess I should be thankful that I found it while it was open.
 
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Without vaping, I'm certain I'd still be smoking, and the difference between the two in terms of health and general quality of life is astonishing. Unfortunately, that door to that path is closing. I guess I should be thankful that I found it while it was open.

Quite. i regret few things in my life, but smoking was one.

T
 
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