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MamaTried

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there you go, my man! I'm not that one dimensional in my woodworking. I can make paperweights .. . binoculars for the blind .. . "his and hers" specimen vial holders . . . . miniature dollhouse double keg cabinets for dollhouse toga parties.

:lol:
sadly, stupidly, i dropped out of the queue for the Pinch just before my turn came up.

but can i get on queue for whatever the hell you come out with next?
 

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I'm sorry if I come across harsh but I lost my dad to cancer and I feel very strongly on the subject.
Oh, man, does this hit home. My dad, a lifelong smoker who died of lung cancer, would have dearly loved his beautiful granddaughter, and she would have loved her cool and very smart granddad. What a shame. "Harsh"? No words are harsh enough to describe the abomination that is this regulation.
 

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And come August if there hasn't been an injunction filed and our friendly bee cannot make his mods, I for one know that he also makes some killer custom handcrafted paperweights made of stabilised wood which surve their purpose brilliantly. I intend to fill my desk with them since I have a desk full of loose paperwork.
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there you go, my man! I'm not that one dimensional in my woodworking. I can make paperweights .. . binoculars for the blind .. . "his and hers" specimen vial holders . . . . miniature dollhouse double keg cabinets for dollhouse toga parties.

:lol:
The FDA is not going to be so foolish as to focus on a master craftsman working at his home workshop making mods out of exotic woods. That could very well turn the media against them. And they know that.
 

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What's truly sad is that BT knows it's products kill people and worse still even contain gene altering chemicals to addict even the users offspring. Why did they not choose to use their vast financial resources to join and promote the vape trade and come up with their own vape products. With the resources available to them they could have pretty much cornered the market and ensure they take a very healthy chunk of this growing market.

They knowingly opted to fight vaping and ensure their products which are proven to kill millions around the world remain strongly in the market and pretty much the only option to consumers.

The answer is simple, it's a lot more profitable

Just imagine for a moment what the tobacco business is worth (controlled by just a few companies), imagine what knock on effect their products have for BP and the medical industry. We're talking hundreds of billions or perhaps a trillion in generated income around the world. What starts with a pack of smokes becomes medical bills, becomes pharmaceuticals, becomes hospital income. BT and BP are in bed together and have become all encompassing in power.
They control politicians and establish governments, the lambs just keep coming to the slaughter.
 

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The FDA is not going to be so foolish as to focus on a master craftsman working at his home workshop making mods out of exotic woods. That could very well turn the media against them. And they know that.
:blink:

Two words.

Milk... say it twice.

Tapatyped
 

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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act...

I was in school again when this abomination was was being pushed.

I chose it for a presentation we had due despite the overwhelming load it presented on our time schedule.

I dissected it and rewrote it to include the verbiage it constantly referenced from all the sections, articles and subsections across our vast array of ridiculousness we call federal laws.

I double and triple checked to make sure my version was complete. Then I read it 3 times.

Then I made a power point presentation.

I did my presentation. It took nearly a whole 2 hour, 40 minute class including Q+A.

After showing without a shadow of a doubt that it was unconstitutional, stripped our rights and privacy and included verbiage on every 3rd line of hundreds of pages that when written out became about 1080 pages that allowed authorities to "their discretion" instead of facts and evidence to treat any person as a possible threat, criminal or terrorist...

The entire class... aside from 1 student and the professor... still supported it.

A week or two later it passed.

Within a couple days it was put into action.

Through the infinite wisdom of the powers that be, there was the face of terrorism all over the news... the first person they chose to make an example of.

An awkward, funny looking, chubby 16 yr old boy that spent his entire school life being chastised, ridiculed and beaten by his peers for his entire school career was to be tried as an adult to the fullest extent of the law.

Because after being gang beaten for being different, he wrote a Facebook post. :facepalm:

The face of terrorism. :blink:

And the response of those supporters of the bill? "That ain't right".

SMH

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When a society ends up driven only by money, it is poorer for it.

My family history comes from Ireland at about the turn of the century when my grandfather moved to England after yet another potato famine there. He told me he was so hungry he'd eat the pig's swill.
As you might imagine, my mother had rather stern views on eating food that was placed in front of you. Allergies my arsenal!

What we have here and what you had in Hungary and to an extent Germany for all those years with the wall in place, was a democratic deficit, if you will. You write to the politicians and tell them how you quit smoking by vaping, and they take the money from BP and BT and vote how they like.
It is the difference between a representative and a delegate. i have told my local reps and senators that if they vote down vaping, not only will i not vote for them, but i'll motivate as many others as i can to do the same. They do not represent me and they will be replaced.

Vapers are typically older ex-smokers, most likely at their peak of earnings. We could be a rather powerful demographic block.

T

And yet, when listening to an FDA rep. on the news hour, he actually said that most people who use ecigs still smoke cigarettes.

When I started vaping four years ago, I never looked back, never have I had another cig. I don't know any vapers that still smoke.

When I wrote Elizabeth Warren, and other reps for Mass, she wrote back stating she supported the bill, and used the old ecigs have antifreeze shill.

where do these guys get their info?

And yet the FDA rep repeatedly said the base their decisions on Public Health Science. What science is this???

What we need are lobbyists, and if I win the lottery, that's exactly what I'm going to do, as well as throw my money towards law suits...
 

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I've posted elsewhere that for me personally it'll make not much difference since i've not used nic for a while. I can easily buy 10 yr's worth of nic for HRH (aand i have a chest freezer now thanks Ross ;) )

But what pisses me off is that people wishing to stop smoking as i did will be denied that. That is not what a government focussed on the health of its citizens ought to be doing.

When it comes down to court cases, and it will, then it's all about funding. Hope we're all ready.

T

↑ this. so totally this.

we'll work it out for ourselves. it's the people yet to benefit from it who are truly screwed. biggest (r)evolution in health since, like, the toothbrush or something, and our dear politicians are willing to sell the health of millions/billions of people (future people. .. . people from the future! :eek: :D ) for a couple more dingles in their slime bucket.

This is what motivates me. I may be fine with my stores, but not everyone has that luxury. Nothing would please me more than to eradicate BT, but I am more realistic. I want to see others have the same opportunities that I have and be allowed the ability to make the choice for themselves.

THIS!!!!! Well said all! I talked with a visiting potter in our kiln yard as I vaped and he smoked and he grilled me on vaping. Said he was tempted to try it but after hearing how it was "worse than smoking" figured why bother? I pulled all sorts or articles up on my phone and he kept going, "If this is true, why are they lying to us? WHY???" and I found him directions to a few quality B&M's so he could try it if he wanted and left him smoking with his head spinning.

That was the day before the announcement. :nah:

I'll be fine as I have been preparing for years but those folks like him are going to be screwed and stuck and it makes me rage and cry and rage again....betards!!!!!!!!!!:-x

Because too many people sat around on their hands when little things were whittled away. By the time they realized they had been manipulated, they could no longer stop it. Some find it easier to turn a blind eye than to take on the task which requires effort.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

My favorite quote and I was spouting this when The Patiot Act went up too...people keep thinking I'm crazy but I live it. I've been raging to everyone that mattered against both, and to folks who should matter but don't, and will always!!!!

P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act...

I was in school again when this abomination was was being pushed.

I chose it for a presentation we had due despite the overwhelming load it presented on our time schedule.

I dissected it and rewrote it to include the verbiage it constantly referenced from all the sections, articles and subsections across our vast array of ridiculousness we call federal laws.

I double and triple checked to make sure my version was complete. Then I read it 3 times.

Then I made a power point presentation.

I did my presentation. It took nearly a whole 2 hour, 40 minute class including Q+A.

After showing without a shadow of a doubt that it was unconstitutional, stripped our rights and privacy and included verbiage on every 3rd line of hundreds of pages that when written out became about 1080 pages that allowed authorities to "their discretion" instead of facts and evidence to treat any person as a possible threat, criminal or terrorist...

The entire class... aside from 1 student and the professor... still supported it.

A week or two later it passed.

Within a couple days it was put into action.

Through the infinite wisdom of the powers that be, there was the face of terrorism all over the news... the first person they chose to make an example of.

An awkward, funny looking, chubby 16 yr old boy that spent his entire school life being chastised, ridiculed and beaten by his peers for his entire school career was to be tried as an adult to the fullest extent of the law.

Because after being gang beaten for being different, he wrote a Facebook post. :facepalm:

The face of terrorism. :blink:

And the response of those supporters of the bill? "That ain't right".

SMH

Tapatyped

LOVE that you did this! When it was first decided on and before it passed I was railing against it at the studio I managed and people were so shocked that I felt this way. One conversation I had with a student:

"So, if you think it's so wrong you're saying we should just die by the terrorists?"

"Yes, if it comes to that, yes"

"WHY??? Don't you wish to keep people safe? Don't you want to be safe????"

"As Americans it is our DUTY as citizens to protect our essential liberties even if it means our death. I would willingly die to protect them, as should ALL of you. If we hand our freedom away for a little panacea of safety we are dead already; the terrorists win if this passes."

They all looked at me like I was nuts but I feel this today and always. My siggy is my life, I feel that every day and live it to the best of my ability.

*mike drop*
 

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The regs won't have the TSA confiscating mods. And I agree, they won't/can't enforce against 1-off mod-makers, though if you're too visible, it could be risky. The game is "legal" for the next 2 years - then if nothing has changed, they'd go after Provape. And Halo. Njoy. Like that...

The FDA is not going to be so foolish as to focus on a master craftsman working at his home workshop making mods out of exotic woods. That could very well turn the media against them. And they know that.

My problem with these laws is traveling. No matter how much mods you have, if every flight you lose one ... that's it.

Peter ... Rosewood. Today convo.
 

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And yet, when listening to an FDA rep. on the news hour, he actually said that most people who use ecigs still smoke cigarettes.

When I started vaping four years ago, I never looked back, never have I had another cig. I don't know any vapers that still smoke.

When I wrote Elizabeth Warren, and other reps for Mass, she wrote back stating she supported the bill, and used the old ecigs have antifreeze shill.

where do these guys get their info?

And yet the FDA rep repeatedly said the base their decisions on Public Health Science. What science is this???

What we need are lobbyists, and if I win the lottery, that's exactly what I'm going to do, as well as throw my money towards law suits...
What we need is the power the constitution is supposed to afford us.

By the people, for the people... the will of the people...

Instead of catering to their will, supporting them financially and being bound by their preferred way to control us...

We need to TAKE what's rightfully ours. Our liberties, our rights, our decisions as a nation of people.

Peacefully if it's an option. By force if necessary.

But... atrophy. We actually have to DO it...

Man, I wish it was the sixties sometimes.

Tapatyped
 

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What we need is the power the constitution is supposed to afford us.

By the people, for the people... the will of the people...
Problem with this is the people have changed from when it was written and it has a whole different meaning to them now, than when it was written...
 
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