[h=2]New survey finds regular use of electronic cigarettes by children still rare[/h]Yet just another big argument against the e-cigarette seems to vanish....
[09/17/2014] ASH: New survey finds regular use of electronic cigarettes by children still rare
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Seems like some how some way the ANTZ will find something to argue about. It wont matter if we win this battle hands down they will argue. Its all political non sense if they aren't arguing they aren't happy.
How come the Brits understand their survey results correctly, while the schmucks from CDC see only "gateway" everywhere?
ASH UK: «our survey results should reassure the public that electronic cigarettes are not currently widely used by young people, nor are they interested in taking electronic cigarettes up. The small increases in use that have occurred over the last year are almost entirely among children who smoke or have smoked.»
ASH UK: «our survey results should reassure the public that electronic cigarettes are not currently widely used by young people, nor are they interested in taking electronic cigarettes up. The small increases in use that have occurred over the last year are almost entirely among children who smoke or have smoked.»
Because the CDC doesn't give a damn about honest reporting or scientific rigor (if you need a good laugh, look at their page of tobacco/smoking "statistics" and try to extrapolate the numbers against the size of the general population and the smoking population. According to their figures, there should be about 700 million smokers in the US). The CDC's mission is to promote a certain political ideology that feeds on the fears and prejudices of an ignorant public.
It was a deliberate overstatement done for comedic effect. The point being, CDC's numbers don't come close to adding up.
The ASH study spawned this headline: Numbers of children using e-cigarettes on the rise
http:// www.independent.co.uk /life-style/health-and-families/health-news/numbers-of-children-using-ecigarettes-on-the-rise-9738716.html
http:// www.independent.co.uk /life-style/health-and-families/health-news/numbers-of-children-using-ecigarettes-on-the-rise-9738716.html
I apologize if this is tangential, but I think it's pertinent: yesterday my daughter (16) asked if she could take a drag off my vaporizer. I said sure, go ahead. She recoiled in horror and said "That's disgusting! Is that nicotine juice?" I said yeah, it sure is. She said "None of the people I know who vape use nicotine. What the hell is the point?"
To reiterate: she knows about half a dozen people who vape, none of them use nicotine, and she doesn't know a single person who smokes cigarettes or has any inclination to do so. When I was her age, I'd estimate about 35% of the people at my high school were smokers.
I had a similar conversation with my nephew in Michigan - nic free vapes from the people he knows who vape. File as 'anecdotal'
I had a similar conversation with my nephew in Michigan - nic free vapes from the people he knows who vape. File as 'anecdotal'
It could very well be that this technology, in addition to being the most effective smoking cessation method ever devised, is also the most effective deterrent to youth smoking. Let's hurry up and ban it.
Yep. 'Smoking initiation' is one of their main focuses. One would think there would be some studies that show this 'no nic' fad among teens. I know the puritanical types won't like it, but the true anti-smoking/nicotine and esp. the THR types should welcome it.
I don't think the surveys they use (as useless as the results are to begin with) even differentiate between nic and no-nic vaping. But it's easy to see why they don't include that option, because every tick of the "no-nic" box would be inconvenient to their "kids being lured by the nicotine bogeyman" narrative.
excellent find 
Thank you for posting it!
And interesting story, @Nate760
And now, just imagine that e-cigs without nicotine (or e-shishas) had been invented by the food industry:
Flavor without calories! No sugar, no calories, no tooth decay, only flavor in your mouth!
Heck that stuff would be touted as the absolute "in" thing by the entire diet industry. Advertised all over the place.
Sugar-free! Fat-free! Lose x pounds a week by using our calorie-free flavor product! Don't snack - vape!
You'd find that stuff on all supermarket shelves, as the "in" product in the new diet revolution. The first books would be out by now, about the new "vaping miracle diet". Dr. Oz would be peddling it in his show as the new weight loss miracle.
*sigh* Looks like vaping was invented by the "wrong" people....
Thank you for posting it! And interesting story, @Nate760
And now, just imagine that e-cigs without nicotine (or e-shishas) had been invented by the food industry:
Flavor without calories! No sugar, no calories, no tooth decay, only flavor in your mouth!
Heck that stuff would be touted as the absolute "in" thing by the entire diet industry. Advertised all over the place.
Sugar-free! Fat-free! Lose x pounds a week by using our calorie-free flavor product! Don't snack - vape!
You'd find that stuff on all supermarket shelves, as the "in" product in the new diet revolution. The first books would be out by now, about the new "vaping miracle diet". Dr. Oz would be peddling it in his show as the new weight loss miracle.
*sigh* Looks like vaping was invented by the "wrong" people....
excellent find
And interesting story, @Nate760
And now, just imagine that e-cigs without nicotine (or e-shishas) had been invented by the food industry:
Flavor without calories! No sugar, no calories, no tooth decay, only flavor in your mouth!
Heck that stuff would be touted as the absolute "in" thing by the entire diet industry. Advertised all over the place.
Sugar-free! Fat-free! Lose x pounds a week by using our calorie-free flavor product! Don't snack - vape!
You'd find that stuff on all supermarket shelves, as the "in" product in the new diet revolution. The first books would be out by now, about the new "vaping miracle diet". Dr. Oz would be peddling it in his show as the new weight loss miracle.
*sigh* Looks like vaping was invented by the "wrong" people....
So vapor products are not only a threat to big pharma (lost revenue from quit smoking products), big tobacco (lost revenue from cigarettes), and big government (lost tax revenue), but they also have to potential to be a threat to the food industry as well...
This is horrifying and delightful at the same time...
I would rather see Teens pick up a Vape with nic or not and feel like they have fullfilled their rebelious act against "THE MAN" then to pick up a Bottle or an analog!
ROFL!
Well, I used to smoke instead of snacking. And now I vape instead of snacking. *looks around furtively for the spies from Big Food*
absolutely!
Vaping was not around when I was young and rebellious, so I took up smoking.
Which is, of course, precisely the situation that the so-called "public health" people want to reestablish. After all, that money from the smoking gravy train must keep flowing. "Protect the chiiildren" indeed. (insert throwing-up smiley here)
Same here. I fail to see why young people rejecting smoking (and make no mistake, they reject it quite militantly; my daughter and her friends talk about smokers with a level of disdain that actually makes me uncomfortable at times) is supposed to be cause for a moral panic.
The problem is that the ANTZ have a very delusional plan: they want to eliminate smoking --- or anything that resembles it or has to do with tobacco ---- entirely among this generation of youth, which will in turn theoretically eliminate smoking entirely 50 years from now. They consider e-cigs a threat because it even has the slightest chance of making anybody under 45 think about tobacco or nicotine, that throws a wrench in their plan. The UK is actually considering making it permanently illegal for anybody born after the year 2000 to smoke or use tobacco, because they want it to be their new millennium where tobacco and nicotine use is entirely a thing of the past and 0% of the world population uses it at all. That's what the ANTZ want anyway, and the FDA, BP and BT are happy to push their delusion onto the public because it makes them money.
I think you're making the mistake of assuming good faith on the part of the ANTZ leadership. What they actually want is the appearance of trying to eliminate smoking. If they succeeded in eliminating it, their organizations would be out of business and they'd have to find something resembling gainful employment.
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