0mg vaping and public perception.

[Szerek]

Hi all. I don't think I have enough posts to post in the appropriate section, but I have a question. I've searched the forums, but I'm having a hard time finding this discussed in the past.

I started mid February with a KGO kit and started at 18mg. Over the course of the last 3 months I've easily made the transition to 6mg juice. It was astonishingly easy, to be honest. Very soon I'm going to try to make the move to zero nic juice. I want to try making my own juice, however, concentrated nicotine scares me and I won't DIY anything that needs nic.

I guess my question is this. If I make the move to 0mg juice and continue vapaing (because I simply enjoy it), how do you think it will be viewed by society? Will I still be seen as a pariah by society, ANTZ, and the FDA even though I'm using no tobacco derivative? Will I be regulated as a smoker by my insurance company? What are your thoughts?

I will tell you all this. I quit analogs about 4 years ago. I've started and stopped several times because my wife continued to smoke. After I started vaping, I kind of gave her an ultimatum to quit. She made the jump to e-cigs with nary a complaint after 41 years of smoking. These PVs are an amazing product and I personally am doing everything I can to convert any smoker I know, and anyone who asks me about this "thing" that I carry around.

Just this morning I was watching a segment on Faux News where they had a couple of doctors on who were telling people how to quit smoking. Patches, gum, cold turkey, and even hypnosis, but e-cigs weren't even mentioned until the host asked about them as a footnote to which they said, "That is a topic for another show." Here we have a product that has moved what? Hundreds of thousands off of analogs in a relatively short period of time, and it is nothing more than a footnote.

Sorry for rambling and hope my original search for opinions didn't get lost in it.

 

[mooreted]

Stop worrying about what other people think. Do whatever you need to do to keep from smoking. As to the media: They make huge amounts of money from pharmaceutical advertisement. They are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Also, the general attitude of the anti-tobacco pundits is that people should just quit instead of trading one addiction for another.

"Those who know what's best for us must rise up and save us from ourselves."
--Rush: Moving Pictures: Witch Hunt

 

[wv2win]

Since nicotine is not a carcinogenetic substance, it should not matter whether you are at 0 nic or not. You are now a non-smoker, PERIOD, Plus little to no nicotine is present in exhaled vapor.

But the ANTZ's aligned against vaping do not care how safe vaping is to the user or those around the user. Since something resembling "smoke" is very briefly visible, you should be shunned, hidden and keep far away from other living beings.

Only we can fight and change that prejuidice by vaping openly but respectfully and being well prepared to educate the misinformed.

Suggestion: join and support CASAA.

 

[Baditude]

The topic of e-cigs are nothing if not controversial presently, especially among the medical community. My hospital employer does not recognize them nor allow them because of no scientific studies available for their safety.

I was recently in a controversial situation. My non-smoking daughter recently turned 18. She has always took an interest in my e-cig and enjoyed sampling my my newest flavors. Just before her birthday she requested a small mod to use 0mg nicotine to vape. Now prior to this I was somewhat against a non-smoker taking up vaping for any reason, mainly because of how it would look to the anti-smoking groups like ANTS.

However, my daughter's older brother recently began smoking. Many of her friends smoke socially. A few of those friends had sampled my e-cigs and went out on their own to purchase their own and are now using them in place of smoking. I figured if I can do what I can to keep my daughter from picking up smoking by giving her her own PV, I'm doing the right thing.

I gave her a pink Altsmoke BB, three batteries and a charger, three tanks, and three bottles of 0mg nicotine liquid in the flavors she chose for her birthday. I chose to be pro-active in an attempt to sway my daughter away from cigarette smoking to something that I feel is a much safer for her.

 

[gthompson]

If you can pass a nic test, insurance companies cannot classify you as a smoker.

 

[yzer]

Members of the public who disapprove of smoking or vaping for any reason (real or imagined) will continue to look down on anyone who vapes whether they are vaping nicotine or not. When it comes to the legal side of vaping you could be cited for using an e-cigarette in a no-smoking zone however a good lawyer could probably get the charges dismissed if you were using zero nicotine. Most laws prohibiting e-cigarettes are based on a legal definition of e-cigarette that includes nicotine in the e-liquid. The corporations that run insurance companies do pretty much what they want.

If someone wants to vape and wants to avoid the scorn of anyone it's best to never be seen using an e-cigarette. Whether or not an individual wants to live that way is a personal choice.

 

[Szerek]

Since nicotine is not a carcinogenetic substance, it should not matter whether you are at 0 nic or not. You are now a non-smoker, PERIOD, Plus little to no nicotine is present in exhaled vapor.

But the ANTZ's aligned against vaping do not care how safe vaping is to the user or those around the user. Since something resembling "smoke" is very briefly visible, you should be shunned, hidden and keep far away from other living beings.

Only we can fight and change that prejuidice by vaping openly but respectfully and being well prepared to educate the misinformed.

Suggestion: join and support CASAA.

Yes, I'm aware that I am a non-smoker. I personally don't care what other people think, but I guess my question wasn't as clear as it should be.

For a few years I rolled my own cigs. When I purchased loose tobacco, I was charged a tobacco tax. When I purchased the filters and sleeves, they were not taxed as tobacco products. The actual machine I used to make the cigs was not taxed as a tobacco product. Only the tobacco was taxed, and regulated as a tobacco product.

What I'm afraid of, is we will see ALL e-cig supplies regulated as "tobacco products" even though some (or many) people use 0 nic juice (I.E. NO tobacco derivatives). We are dealing with the Government and big business. I will definitely do my part, but past experience tells me we will be bending over to take it from Government and business again. I suppose in the end though, they really can't stop a 0 nic vaper from going to wal-mart and buying PG/VG and getting a little flavoring, though, can they?

 

[smokingisbad]

yer not smoking...just sayin

 

[wv2win]

Vaping 0 nic eliquid means you should have no problem continuing to vape as you explained. But you may still have to "bend over" and take it regardless.

 

[jfalbanese]

faux news. got that right. don't tell me people actually still watch that drivel. spread the word, keep vaping. turn off charlie krauthammer. smile, live longer

 

[zoiDman]

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I guess my question is this. If I make the move to 0mg juice and continue vapaing (because I simply enjoy it), how do you think it will be viewed by society? Will I still be seen as a pariah by society, ANTZ, and the FDA even though I'm using no tobacco derivative? ...

Let me ask you a Question:

Say you walk into a Bar and see Four People sitting at a table all with drinks in their hands. One Drinking Bourbon and Dr. Pepper. One is Drinking Vodka and Pepsi. Once is Drinking Rum and Coke And one is Drinking a Plain Cola.

How can you tell who is Drinking the Non-Alcoholic Beverage at a Glance?

I think you will be Perceived about the same way Vaping 0mg as you would Vaping 36mg with a Dash of Diacetyl by most people.

 

[Szerek]

Vaping 0 nic eliquid means you should have no problem continuing to vape as you explained. But you may still have to "bend over" and take it regardless.

Yeah, that's kind of what I think too. To me this would be akin to regulating all gum the same as nicotine gum because, well, it is gum and could possibly have nicotine in it if it had been manufactured that way. It is absolutely asinine, but that is what will make it appeal to the nannies.

 

[brock957]

Better than having her start smoking cigarettes. I'm about to start vaping to get off nicotine lozenge. I'm a ex cigar smoker.

 

[Szerek]

Let me ask you a Question:

Say you walk into a Bar and see Four People sitting at a table all with drinks in their hands. One Drinking Bourbon and Dr. Pepper. One is Drinking Vodka and Pepsi. Once is Drinking Rum and Coke And one is Drinking a Plain Cola.

How can you tell who is Drinking the Non-Alcoholic Beverage at a Glance?

I think you will be Perceived about the same way Vaping 0mg as you would Vaping 36mg with a Dash of Diacetyl by most people.

Exactly, so the proper thing to do would be to treat everyone as if they were drinking and treat them all as if they are under the influence, and they are all alcoholics.

 

[zoiDman]

Exactly, so the proper thing to do would be to treat everyone as if they were drinking and treat them all as if they are under the influence, and they are all alcoholics.

LOL

Perception can be Reality.

 

[wv2win]

faux news. got that right. don't tell me people actually still watch that drivel. spread the word, keep vaping. turn off charlie krauthammer. smile, live longer

Really?? Considering which groups, which politians (and their media outlets of choice) are trying hard to have vaping banned, Fox is one of the few media outlets which will end up being pro-vaping. John Stossel of Fox News has come out in favor of vaping and against the FDA's attempts to ban/restrict vaping.

Were the politicians who wanted vaping banned and encourged the FDA to ban vaping in 2009, liberal or conservative? Were the politicians who came out in favor of vaping, liberal or conservative? Were the judges who saved vaping from being banned appointed by a liberal or conservative administration?

Why do the activists who support vaping as a harm reduction tool and are very knowledgible in the political arena, state that if we can hold out until the current administration is gone, we may have a better political enviornment for vaping?