Never smoked before...Is vaping 0mg stupid?

[floridamale]

Thanks for your input everyone.
Markfm, I appreciate something other than a flat out 'no'. I'm not considering doing it like...cartos a day or anything like that, but from time to time my friends all go out to like the hookah bar or whatever, and I don't smoke so it's always weird for me. But having an alternative for those rare occasions would be something I may want to invest in.

So you are feeling like your not fitting in or part of the incrowd while your at the hookah bar. 2 years from now when none of those peple even still go there or you no longer even hang with them, you will be able to enjoy the habbit they left you with.
Good Luck it's hard growing up I would not want to go through it again, it about killed me the first time.

 

[Valentine Michael Smith]

Venom,

The bottom line here is that it's your life and your choice. No one can make that decision for you. I am all about personal freedom and if you are set on vaping then vape.

In regards to your last question though, that is like asking if jumping off a 5,000 foot cliff is better than jumping off a 1,000 foot cliff because it will take longer for you to go splat.

VMS

 

[markfm]

Yes, next question

(Sometimes we can be our own worst enemies in vaping. Order of preference, generally = nothing, vaping, smoking. Nothing is great, wunnerful. Occasional smoking is likely not going to directly kill you off, though occasional vaping I would posit is still better than occasional smoking [no tar is better than a little tar]. There are people who will smoke periodically, have done so for many years without becoming hooked on cigs long-term, so I have no reason to believe they are more likely to become nicotine fiends if they substitute the less-harmful personal vaporizer for those occasions.)

 

[des09]

Then I say why the hell not...
Its just a cost benefit equation you have to figure out for yourself. Personally, I enjoy eating new foods, and if you put a bowl of double-bacon, duck liver dip and a bag of olestra chips in front of me, I am gonna try it, even though theres a small risk that I'll either die of clogged arteries, or enjoy some .... leakage.

Vaping 0mg is similar... not as smart as saying no, a heck of a lot smarter than bumming an analog, and "just smoking tonight."

 

[TJVapes]

Why would you start something that you know might go in to a habit? You want to vape as an excuse to tell your friends no without feeling like the odd man out? Most of the vapers here started smoking before they realized how deadly it is. Vapin is a new healthier alternative, but I'm sure the majority of vapers would prefer to have never started smoking and never needing to vape. Seriously you don't need to be told this... it's like the national anthem.. "Just say no". It's not uncool to just say no. You'll save money by forgetting about it. You're not looking to be told no, but it's the right answer.

 

[VenomInk]

I'm not "looking" for any specific answer, I was curious of your guys/gals opinions, and that's what you gave and I appreciate that. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything I was just curious of the smokers perspective, and I don't know anyone else that's gone non-smoker to vaper soo I figured I'd ask. As for people making age comments and telling me to grow up; it's honestly just kind of rude and unwarranted. I asked for your opinions and feedback, I don't think treating me like a child based on curiosity was necessary.

 

[catmman]

Venom,

I too never smoked. I'm not nor have ever been a smoker. I started vaping about two weeks ago.

I retired from the military recently. I had always wanted to take up a pipe. My dad smoked a pipe a long time ago. I was hesitant to make the jump - I didn't want to get hooked on the nicotine, didn't want to deal with the tobacco, didn't want to deal with the other health issues, etc.

I had seen the e-cigs and wondered if there was such a thing but in pipe form. Sure enough, there is. I spent many weeks researching, looking up vendors, looking up health aspects of vaping, weighing the pros/cons, all that jazz. I finally made the plunge and bought my pipe and juices and extras as I said two weeks ago.

My intention was just to vape the pipe during the day while working on the computer or just lounging around the house watching tv, etc.

I bought zero nic juice, bought many different types of flavors. And I only vape off and on during the day and a bit in the evening. I have discovered that I vape a lot while watching a good football game - it keeps me from biting my nails!

I didn't have any need to quit smoking or to change from analogs to e-cigs like many (probably all) of the others here. Their opinions on the dangers of smoking and addiction to nicotine should be respected and listened to.

But my want was for a very specific reason. Kinda like yours, but for no real social reason. I just wanted to take up a pipe and this was the safest way to do so which my wife really supported - after I educated her as I educated myself about vaping.

I'm an adult. I spent 22 years in the military and saw a lot of, ummm, stuff. I can decide for myself what I want to do. Is there risk? Sure. There is risk in rolling out of bed in the morning. If you are wanting to do this for simply social reasons, if you are going/wanting to use zero nic juice, then I say do what you want. Is it/could it be habit forming? Maybe. So what? How many people are slaves to that first morning cup of coffee? Not only for the caffeine hit, but out of habit?

If you are really serious about it being simply for social/occasional use then in my opinion its no more habit forming than watching your favorite tv show every week (or being sure you DVR it for later consumption.) If you aren't using nic juice, simply vaping for flavors, the chance of a physical addiction would seem to be fairly low (probably near zero).

If you have done your research, done a basic ORM study on yourself in taking this up and can afford it, do what you want.

 

[VenomInk]

Thanks a whole bunch for that non-biased logical response

 

[catmman]

BTW, just a nit of 'logistical' info:

I just puff on the pipe. I don't inhale it (or I inhale very little of the vapor).

 

[vapi]

I am really surprised at all the "don't do it" responses here. Venom is around a lot of smokers and put in a lot of situations where smoking is what they are getting together for. Doesn't anyone see the positive impact he will have on his smoking friends? He's more likely to get them to quit and start vaping.

Venom, I think you would be a really good influence on your friends that smoke. I don't see any harm with 0mg nicotine, it is the nicotine that get's us hooked to begin with. It's like drinking decafe coffee, why people do it, I now know, thank you.

 

[ncargrl]

Why would anyone who has never smoked want to use an e-cig? Yes; they are healthier than analogs, but the healthiest thing is breathing air period. This is one of the reasons I'm all for no sales to minors.
As for fitting in? There's a million healthier ways to find your niche and be yourself than to harm your body just because everyone else is doing it.

 

[VenomInk]

No, thank you talking baby

 

[DawnsDone]

So you are feeling like your not fitting in or part of the incrowd while your at the hookah bar. 2 years from now when none of those peple even still go there or you no longer even hang with them, you will be able to enjoy the habbit they left you with

Or when they're all in the hospital with cancer! I guess it's a good thing you're not hanging out with coke heads, ....or republicans!

 

[VenomInk]

You guys are out of your minds...and entirely missing the whole point of this conversation

 

[Valentine Michael Smith]

Venom,

In your original post you asked a very simple question: "Never smoked before...Is vaping 0mg stupid?"

You got an answer to that question which was: Yes.

You did not like that answer so you assumed that those that gave said answer were attacking you as a person. That is not the case.

You want a logical response heres logic:

x is better for me than y. Even though both are habit forming and (potentially dangerous). I do not need to do either now but since x is better than y, I should do x.

This is where the logic breaks down. If you can get away from doing either that IS the better choice.

Once again the bottom line is that you should do what you want. So long as you are doing it for the right reasons and armed with the information that will allow you to make an informed and rational choice. Keep in mind the perspective of many of us is that we are here because of a dirty, nasty, disgusting habit that is probably one of the single most powerful addictions that exists. I wish that before I started smoking, someone (or many someones) had told me the things you are being told here about the consequences of my choice. Having said that, the consequences of vaping are (probably and in most cases) far less than smoking. If you can make an informed, rational, choice and decide that it's right for you then by all means do so. However do not expect those of us who have battled this addiction to support or condone your choice. However, the other thing to keep in mind is that you should not need us to support or condone said choice: It is yours to make.

Respectfully,
VMS

 

[VenomInk]

VMS,

Never did I state that I didn't like the 'yes' answer. I am simply responding to the "fitting in" responses, noting that that is in no way my reason for considering starting. I have found many of the answers both helpful and insightful. There were posts directly insulting 'young' mistakes, and I took offense, but I think that was established and handled. I appreciate everyone's input and I'm not looking to be told what I want to hear, or for anyone to condone my decision. I was looking for anyone to tell me what they thought and that's what I got.

Thank you all very much for all your advise and comments. I suppose we'll see what happens.

 

[Sdh]

You guys are out of your minds...and entirely missing the whole point of this conversation

Now to reply to your orginal question. On the point of inhaling 0mg would be a lesser evil than inhaling actual nicotine. However, as you may or may not know e-liquid safety has not been determined thus far.

You could look at MSDS sheets for the ingredients in the actual fluid to get an idea on the safety concerns.

I wish you well in your adventure in vaping if it is something you must encounter. Just like cigarettes no one wants to recomend them to folks. Vapers are in the same catorgory. Most of us are addicted to nicotine. Its a hard habit to quit. I for one would never recomend vaping to anyone besides a prior smoker.

Go to the health/safety sub-forum and check out possible side effects. Or you could check out the diacetyl threads as well. Yes, vaping is not 100% safe. It is a reduced risk/alternative to cigarettes.

 

[catmman]

If you do decide to do it, let us know how it goes. I for one would be interested to get another non-smokers/new vapors opinion on things...

 

[mianker]

I would not advise vaping for anyone that does not smoke.

 

[tenzip]

You're wanting to start vaping because you don't have anything to do at the hookah bar? Get a toothpick.

If your friends are making you uncomfortable because they're smoking and you're not, those aren't friends.

I was always secretly envious of my friends who didn't smoke, and there were damn few of them. Be one of them.