100% PG (max) - Any vape only this?

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Yes, there are some downfalls. Less vapor, thinner juice.....can cause wicking, flooding, leaking issues. The TH is higher, so maybe lower the nic level a little bit. Otherwise, you should be fine. You can fix many leak/flood issues by adding a flavor wick on the coil and trying different toppers to find the ones that work best for your juice. Good luck and welcome to the Forum!
 

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Yes, there are some downfalls. Less vapor, thinner juice.....can cause wicking, flooding, leaking issues. The TH is higher, so maybe lower the nic level a little bit. Otherwise, you should be fine. You can fix many leak/flood issues by adding a flavor wick on the coil and trying different toppers to find the ones that work best for your juice. Good luck and welcome to the Forum!

Thanks for your reply! Can you tell me what wicking and flooding are?
 

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Thanks for your reply! Can you tell me what wicking and flooding are?

The juice is wicked via a silica wick to the atomizer, where it is heated, which atomizes the juice and produces a vapor that we inhale. The thinner juice can sometimes provide too much juice to the atomizer, in other words, faster than we can atomize the juice. When we have too much juice, or too little atomization, we can get flooding at the coil, which can lead to leaking. Sometimes, adding a small piece of wick material on top of the existing coil (a flavor wick), can reduce or soak up the excess juice. Every topper will react differently to every juice, so you may have to play around with the topper and the coil to get it to work just right for you. You may benefit from a top coil clearomizer, like a vivi nova, but you have to just experiment a little to find what works best for you. There are many vapers who vape only 100% PG, as some vapers have an allergic reaction to VG. Good luck!
 
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The juice is wicked via a silica wick to the atomizer, where it is heated, which atomizes the juice and produces a vapor that we inhale. The thinner juice can sometimes provide too much juice to the atomizer, in other words, faster than we can atomize the juice. When we have too much juice, or too little atomization, we can get flooding at the coil, which can lead to flooding. Sometimes, adding a small piece of wick material on top of the existing coil (a flavor wick), can reduce or soak up the excess juice. Every topper will react differently to every juice, so you may have to play around with the topper and the coil to get it to work just right for you. You may benefit from a top coil clearomizer, like a vivi nova, but you have to just experiment a little to find what works best for you. There are many vapers who vape only 100% PG, as some vapers have an allergic reaction to VG. Good luck!

One last Q - what is the best set up for max PG juices? (tank and mod)
 

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PG wicks better than VG w/ every wick I've had.
Downside I've noticed w/ 100% PG is the vapor cloud is less visible and less dense.
I've run pure PG in CE2, DC cart, various attys, and various RBAs w/o issue.
I have issues w/ some wicks w/ thicker VG.
I typically only have leak issues when pocket carrying device; my solution is drip tip cover and piece of tape over cap holes.

My favorite way to vape 0 nic is w/ a 1ohm dual coil extreme cloud RBA build. Get so caught up in cloud chasing and big Os that I don't think about nic. Should consider safety concerns when cloud chasing.
 

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Yes, there are some downfalls. Less vapor, thinner juice.....can cause wicking, flooding, leaking issues.
That's just plain WRONG, I've been vaping 100% PG for 4 years now and have had fewer of those problems than using PG/VG mixes. I've tried the VG trip and all it did was cause problems, anytime I use more than 20% VG I get a heavy feeling in my chest and can't stop coughing. Plus sticking with PG my cartos last a lot longer and I don't have to clean my tanks out as often. And all the studies that's proven ecigs are safe, are done with PG, not VG, no one knows what VG will do to you. All your doing is spewing the ignorant fabrications from people on here who don't know how to do research.
 

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Curious - does anyone here vape only PG (no VG at all?) If so, why?

Reason I'm asking is because I have to lower my nicotine choice for tinnitus and I heard that PG increases throat hit. So, wondering if there are any downfalls to vaping ONLY PG.

Thanks!
To answer your question, I've been using 100% PG for 4 years now, VG leaves a very heavy feeling in my chest and makes me cough almost constantly. I get a good throat hit from my 6mg liquid in a 1.7 ohm cartomizer, also using PG the cartomizers last longer or clearomizers. The only downfall is less exhaled vapor, but your still blowing a bigger cloud than a cig smoker.
 

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I guess I'm vaping 100% PG (1.1% nicotine, 5% Purified Water and menthol flavored PG 93,9%)
The reason I vape only PG is because it produces the same amount of vapor/smoke as a ciggarette (In my case) and has a pretty good TH. I would like to have even a higher TH without rising the nicotine precent though.

Oh and I have never been mixing juices myself.
 
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I guess I'm vaping 100% PG (1.1% nicotine, 5% Purified Water and menthol flavored PG 93,9%)
The reason I vape only PG is because it produces the same amount of vapor/smoke as a ciggarette and has a pretty good TH. I would like to have even a higher TH without rising the nicotine precent though.
I did that by dropping the resistance of my cartomizers, I dropped from 2 ohm to 1.7 ohm.
 

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Like everything in the world of vape, one must find what works best for them. Some are sensitive to high VG, some are sensitive to high PG. I find high PG juice to harsh, so mix my brew at 80% VG. One has to experiment to find what works best for them. Throat hit, nic delivery, taste, are all influenced by your build, watts vaped at, mix of your juice, type of wire and wick used, placement of air hole in relation to your build. As one progresses in their vape and change up how they vape, things change, and what worked well with a & b, may be a different story when using x & z.
 

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    No you can't
    The tank or carto being use will make the difference. There are benefits with PG your wick and coil won’t get clogged and will last longer.

    Try to use a bottom feed tank like protank; you can pick one up for $18.00; stay away stuff that the coil/wick are at the top that will give problems with thin PG.

    You shouldn’t have any leaking with a quality bottom feeder.

    I would expect the flavor of the juice to change with increasing PG like anything else.
     

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    Yes, there are some downfalls. Less vapor, thinner juice.....can cause wicking, flooding, leaking issues. The TH is higher, so maybe lower the nic level a little bit. Otherwise, you should be fine. You can fix many leak/flood issues by adding a flavor wick on the coil and trying different toppers to find the ones that work best for your juice. Good luck and welcome to the Forum!

    That's just plain WRONG, I've been vaping 100% PG for 4 years now and have had fewer of those problems than using PG/VG mixes. I've tried the VG trip and all it did was cause problems, anytime I use more than 20% VG I get a heavy feeling in my chest and can't stop coughing. Plus sticking with PG my cartos last a lot longer and I don't have to clean my tanks out as often. And all the studies that's proven ecigs are safe, are done with PG, not VG, no one knows what VG will do to you. All your doing is spewing the ignorant fabrications from people on here who don't know how to do research.

    Thank you for your response, though I am somewhat confused. In my post I said that 100% PG juice provides two issues:

    1. Less vapor, and
    2. Thinner juice, which can lead to wicking, flooding and leaking issues.

    I SAID NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT CHEST HEAVINESS ISSUES OR COUGHING, THE LENGTH A CARTO MAY LAST WITH NO VG, LESS CLEANING REQUIRED WITH NO VG, NOR ANYTHING RELATED TO PG AND/OR VG SAFETY AND HEALTH ISSUES (other than there are some vapers who are allergic to VG, and that there are many vapers who use 100% PG (in the follow up post)).

    Are you sure that your post was in response to my posting, because I have no argument with your points, and did not contradict or even comment on a single one of your issues?

    Regarding your comment that all I am doing is "spewing ignorant fabrications who don't know how to do research," I would say:

    It has been well established that the greater the VG ratio in the juice the greater the vapor potential in the vape. Alternatively, the greater the PG, the greater the flavor and throat hit. This point is well known, fully documented (anecdotal and otherwise), and you are the first I've read that disagreed with this point. A quick check on Google and the Forum produced 151,000 results, and here are five for your consideration:

    1. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/472080-pg-vg.html
    2. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-best-pg-vg-ratio-good-vapor-lots-flavor.html
    3. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/472080-pg-vg.html
    4. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ible-vapor-new-e-cigarette-my-cartomiser.html
    5. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/422475-more-noob-questions-pg-vs-vg.html

    Regarding thinner juice increasing the risk of flooding and leaking, this is just one of many factors that come together in a kind of perfect storm to cause this. Pressure, heat, topper design, wick material, vape technique and about ten other issues contribute to this occurrence, and surely this is not limited to juice viscosity, though it can be a contributing factor. Here's some information on this situation:

    1. Why does my clearomizer gurgle and leak?
    2. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/435869-what-drawbacks-100-pg-e-juice.html
    3. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sing-ce3-xl-leak-introduction-1stpostbbq.html
    4. 15 Tips To Get The Most Out Of Your E-Cig Juice | eCigology
    5. FAQ: My e-Cigarette is LEAKING all over the place–HELP?


    By the way, I am a research scientist and writer by trade for a well-known national institute with a background in medicine, science and math (and business). I would say my research capabilities are above average, and that with my background and experience in vaping, I am hardly the ignorant buffoon you are suggesting. I am assuming that either you are responding to a different post and used mine by accident, a harmless error on your part, or that you didn't read my post carefully and jumped to an erroneous conclusion, or that you're having a really bad day, friend, a day, I hope, improves substantially for you. I believe that my statement that PG is thinner and provides less vapor [than VG] is an indisputable fact, and the confusion, in this regard, is on your side of the equation. The only thing else I can recommend is that you be a bit more careful before slamming posters, a mistake, I, myself, learned the hard way, as well. Good luck to you and I hope your day improves.
     

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    That's just plain WRONG, I've been vaping 100% PG for 4 years now and have had fewer of those problems than using PG/VG mixes. I've tried the VG trip and all it did was cause problems, anytime I use more than 20% VG I get a heavy feeling in my chest and can't stop coughing. Plus sticking with PG my cartos last a lot longer and I don't have to clean my tanks out as often. And all the studies that's proven ecigs are safe, are done with PG, not VG, no one knows what VG will do to you. All your doing is spewing the ignorant fabrications from people on here who don't know how to do research.
    :ohmy: Whooooaa there doggie. Someone sounds like they need a vape. :unsure:

    No need to react so strongly. Bill's Magic Vapor gave some solid information and advice. No need to attack him like you did.

    I don't have a problem of you sharing your personal experience. But realize your experience is just that - YOUR experience. Not everyone will have the same experience as you, yours is unique to you. Chill out, dude. :facepalm:
     

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    Thank you for your response, though I am somewhat confused. In my post I said that 100% PG juice provides two issues:

    1. Less vapor, and
    2. Thinner juice, which can lead to wicking, flooding and leaking issues.

    I SAID NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT CHEST HEAVINESS ISSUES OR COUGHING, THE LENGTH A CARTO MAY LAST WITH NO VG, LESS CLEANING REQUIRED WITH NO VG, NOR ANYTHING RELATED TO PG AND/OR VG SAFETY AND HEALTH ISSUES (other than there are some vapers who are allergic to VG, and that there are many vapers who use 100% PG (in the follow up post)).

    Are you sure that your post was in response to my posting, because I have no argument with your points, and did not contradict or even comment on a single one of your issues?

    Regarding your comment that all I am doing is "spewing ignorant fabrications who don't know how to do research," I would say:

    It has been well established that the greater the VG ratio in the juice the greater the vapor potential in the vape. Alternatively, the greater the PG, the greater the flavor and throat hit. This point is well known, fully documented (anecdotal and otherwise), and you are the first I've read that disagreed with this point. A quick check on Google and the Forum produced 151,000 results, and here are five for your consideration:

    1. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/472080-pg-vg.html
    2. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-best-pg-vg-ratio-good-vapor-lots-flavor.html
    3. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/472080-pg-vg.html
    4. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ible-vapor-new-e-cigarette-my-cartomiser.html
    5. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/422475-more-noob-questions-pg-vs-vg.html

    Regarding thinner juice increasing the risk of flooding and leaking, this is just one of many factors that come together in a kind of perfect storm to cause this. Pressure, heat, topper design, wick material, vape technique and about ten other issues contribute to this occurrence, and surely this is not limited to juice viscosity, though it can be a contributing factor. Here's some information on this situation:

    1. Why does my clearomizer gurgle and leak?
    2. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/435869-what-drawbacks-100-pg-e-juice.html
    3. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sing-ce3-xl-leak-introduction-1stpostbbq.html
    4. 15 Tips To Get The Most Out Of Your E-Cig Juice | eCigology
    5. FAQ: My e-Cigarette is LEAKING all over the place–HELP?


    By the way, I am a research scientist and writer by trade for a well-known national institute with a background in medicine, science and math (and business). I would say my research capabilities are above average, and that with my background and experience in vaping, I am hardly the ignorant buffoon you are suggesting. I am assuming that either you are responding to a different post and used mine by accident, a harmless error on your part, or that you didn't read my post carefully and jumped to an erroneous conclusion, or that you're having a really bad day, friend, a day, I hope, improves substantially for you. I believe that my statement that PG is thinner and provides less vapor [than VG] is an indisputable fact, and the confusion, in this regard, is on your side of the equation. The only thing else I can recommend is that you be a bit more careful before slamming posters, a mistake, I, myself, learned the hard way, as well. Good luck to you and I hope your day improves.
    And I even highlighted it for you and you passed right over it "can cause wicking, flooding, leaking issues." Pay attention, because that part is not true.
     
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