14500 Mod Questions

[carldamnit]

Hey guys!
I have been using my 2 1000 MaH ego batteries for work, they do the best job for me. I am pretty mobile at work so I need something small that I can carry in my shirt pocket with a thought to durability.

I was thinking of getting a couple more ego batteries, for backups, not sure how long these things are supposed to last. Then I saw:
SVC "Squall"- 14500 Battery APV


It got me thinking. Instead of having to repurchase ego batteries, I could buy a mod and buy batteries, and replace the batteries for cheaper than more egos.
-it's all metal construction
-variable voltage
-built in battery protection

Problem is the battery. The AW IMR is only 600 MaH, I really don't want to carry around tons of batteries at work.

Is there a better "safe" 14500 battery to use?

Any pros or cons you can throw at this would be appreciated.

This may be all for nothing as I have been waiting for the Itaste VTR to come out and get everyones initial opinions (as well as pricing).

But you know the saying, always have backups for your backups.

Thanks

 

[six]

I'm partial to the black Li-On AW 14500s. They are 750 mah... they're not cheap, but they have been good performers for me.

 

[Rickajho]

Do note it says, in bold "The Trustfire 14500 battery we sell is too large in diameter for this mod." which means you might have problems all over the place getting batteries that will fit in this device.

Why not just get the eGo T-2 APV? => Joye eGo-T 2 Upgrade APV Mod Unit 18650 means one to two days run time on a charge. And it can be charged with your existing eGo charger.

Problem with that one is finding a place that has it in stock.

 

[Baditude]

Do note it says, in bold "The Trustfire 14500 battery we sell is too large in diameter for this mod." which means you might have problems all over the place getting batteries that will fit in this device.

Good pickup, Rick. I was about to comment on the same thing.

Generally speaking, protected NCR batteries are a tad longer in length than their IMR counterparts. Also, since that mod is a regulated mod, it would perform better with a high drain IMR battery than a protected battery, anyway. 14500 batteries typically perform poorly in a regulated mod, they just don't have the amperage or the mAh capacity.

 

[carldamnit]

Yeah, this is looking a lot harder than I first thought

thanks guys

 

[DC2]

I almost bought one, until I realized that variable voltage means 3.6 volts or 3.8 volts or 4.2 volts.
Unfortunately, I usually vape at around 4.6 volts.

 

[Frankenmizer]

ermagerd - I read your topic literally - as in "14,500 mod questions" and I thought to myself, "..he really has fourteen thousand five hundred questions about mods?!"

I need rest...

 

[tearose50]

It got me thinking. Instead of having to repurchase ego batteries, I could buy a mod and buy batteries, and replace the batteries for cheaper than more egos.

This may be all for nothing as I have been waiting for the Itaste VTR to come out and get everyones initial opinions (as well as pricing).

But you know the saying, always have backups for your backups.

Thanks

Welcome to the world of "mods". I think replaceable batteries is the #1 reason many "move up" to mods.

The VTR is not far off. I just read of a pre-order announcement at one UK vendor.

Of course having back up's is a good idea. But don't overdue it on one style----there are too many fun things out there in the mod arena to enjoy and new ones, like the VTR, coming out all the time.

 

[Rickajho]

Good pickup, Rick. I was about to comment on the same thing.

Generally speaking, protected NCR batteries are a tad longer in length than their IMR counterparts. Also, since that mod is a regulated mod, it would perform better with a high drain IMR battery than a protected battery, anyway. 14500 batteries typically perform poorly in a regulated mod, they just don't have the amperage or the mAh capacity.

Yeah, but they're citing a diameter issue with the batteries not fitting. I'm used to the vagaries of battery length and that being an issue with certain 14500 box mods, but I've never see a PV called out as having a problem with "too fat" 14500 batteries not even getting in there.

Speaking of pocket friendly, box mod and 14500 batteries, consider this one: SmokTek "SmokBox VariCool" - Custom Variable Volt Box Mod - Efficient switching regulator! adjustable 3,4,5,6.5 volt's & everything between.

Noodles to say that is gonna set you back more than your original choice, especially if you need to outfit with batteries and a charger. But it's a great box. High efficiency regulator that runs without generating heat, up to 12 hour run times to a charge. True VV instead of the 3 click choices. Made in USA too. Boring as all hell - but they just work great. This is one of my preferred choices for out and about. Back up on the site and will see you can get it in your choice of black, white or clear. Woo!

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Looks (and is described...) exactly as a Kamry eCab.
I use the blue Trustfire 14500 900maH Li-ion (PCB) and the grey Trustfire TR14500 900maH in this.
I didn't spend anywhere near $24.99 for mine And several of the batteries...

 

[six]

The battery I suggested will fit.

 

[Rickajho]

Looks (and is described...) exactly as a Kamry eCab.
I use the blue Trustfire 14500 900maH Li-ion (PCB) and the grey Trustfire TR14500 900maH in this.
I didn't spend anywhere near $24.99 for mine And several of the batteries...

No fair - you didn't share. Where did you get it? Gotta link?

 

[AttyPops]

That type of "VV" mod bugs me a bit.

Now the rest of this is mostly guesswork since I don't have one. Someone that does please correct me if I err:

The voltage is not boosted...it's regulated. Thus, the voltage amount given is the MAX voltage it will put out until the battery voltage starts dropping below that #. Then, it will let it drop until some cut-off is reached or maybe just cut out immediately (don't think it does cut off immediately or the 4.2 volt would die after a few puffs).

Also, you need to check the vent holes. Particularly if you choose to use a protected Li-Ion battery (the 900 mAh ones). Although they are protected, if the protection circuit ever fails and it shorts/vents/fails...it could be bad.

I use 900 mAh protected Li-Ion all the time....stacked in fact. But that's in a box mod that cannot possibly build up pressure. Sure, there's danger of flame and such, but it won't go "boom". Anyway, be careful with metal tube mods and batteries. If the batteries are that tight in there to begin with (and protected batts are a couple mm longer too) the swelling battery that's venting could block the vents. Not sure because I haven't seen one of these... this is all theoretical only. Check into it or use IMR.

 

[Rickajho]

Pops - U such a buzz kill. But you're probably right. Even that JoyeTech T2 has only two "honest" modes: JoyeTech regulated voltage or "whatever the battery puts out" unregulated mode.

 

[volume control]

I have a grand vapor v2 aluminum clone, its pretty darn compact with an 18500 and very lightweight. I use it at work, and they are 13 bucks on fasttech for the mod so if it gets banged up (which it has) no big deal. They are rather large in diameter but as short as an ego 650 with evod in length and last me all day no problem on a single AW 1100 with a boge lr. I also used an evic with an ICR 900 18350 in an evic with an evod and it was super light, but was cutting it close to lasting a day

 

[AttyPops]

Pops - U such a buzz kill. But you're probably right. Even that JoyeTech T2 has only two "honest" modes: JoyeTech regulated voltage or "whatever the battery puts out" unregulated mode.

Well, crap. I guess I won't mention the lower amp limits on protected Li-Ion then because the switch probably has an amp limit anyway........

 

[SupplyDaddy]

That type of "VV" mod bugs me a bit.

Now the rest of this is mostly guesswork since I don't have one. Someone that does please correct me if I err:

The voltage is not boosted...it's regulated. Thus, the voltage amount given is the MAX voltage it will put out until the battery voltage starts dropping below that #. Then, it will let it drop until some cut-off is reached or maybe just cut out immediately (don't think it does cut off immediately or the 4.2 volt would die after a few puffs).

Also, you need to check the vent holes. Particularly if you choose to use a protected Li-Ion battery (the 900 mAh ones). Although they are protected, if the protection circuit ever fails and it shorts/vents/fails...it could be bad.

I use 900 mAh protected Li-Ion all the time....stacked in fact. But that's in a box mod that cannot possibly build up pressure. Sure, there's danger of flame and such, but it won't go "boom". Anyway, be careful with metal tube mods and batteries. If the batteries are that tight in there to begin with (and protected batts are a couple mm longer too) the swelling battery that's venting could block the vents. Not sure because I haven't seen one of these... this is all theoretical only. Check into it or use IMR.

Yes, regulated to the max of the 3 settings, and drops from there.
These aren't really vented, although there is airflow through the control button that would serve as a vent. But, enough pressure will blow the control head off with a "POP"... won't take much as you can probably pull the control head off your self (had one come off in a jacket pocket...pushed it back in...).

 

[six]

That type of "VV" mod bugs me a bit.

I'm with you on that - and you are absolutely correct that the Squall is one of those... And I forgot to start at your next post in this thread to multi-quote (too lazy to do it now).. You're right on that one too --> The amp limit on the switch is probably pretty low, so it isn't a good candidate to run a lower than ~1.5 ohm coil - especially without a high quality battery.

As far as these things go, the squall is about the same as the other devices like it. If the reason to buy it is the fact that it has user-replaceable battery and it is roughly the size of an ego, it will do.

 

[flowerpots]

I have a Rider Robust 14500 mod and this is what I have learned about these:

1) Use the AW-IMR batteries as shown to fit the SVC 14500 mod you are interested in. I have tried the trustfire 900 mAh and those do not last as long as the AW-IMR, even when the trustfires are supposedly brand new. I am going to try as a last resort a Nitecore 750 mAh high drain and a Sanyo 840 mAh. Otherwise, this mod gets about 3 hours tops with only moderate use. Only an hour when the batteries are almost depleted.

2) The good thing about this particular 14500 mod is you can adjust voltage anywhere from 3.0 to 6.0.

3) If you do find this model of interest, you need an adapter to use T3/T3S/MT3 BCCs and other ego-threaded tops.

4) This model comes in a square shape, which may sound unimportant, but you can set it down and it doesn't roll.

5) I like my 14500 mod because it is the same size as a 1300 mAh ego type battery and carries easy, but for the same size, you can have twice the mAh in a Winder/Spinner/Twist.

 

[tearose50]

This sounds like a good time to promote buying good batteries.

I've read many times -- don't get any battery with the name fire in it. Some, if not many, of the cheaper brands are not as diligent with their mAh ratings. The above post is a good example.

For smaller batteries I believe AW brand are the best on the market....both the Red and Black varieties. The red are safer chemistry; the blacks have protection circuits and have accurate higher mAh ratings.