18500, 18650 button top battery question
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18650's and their larger and smaller counterparts have been in use for decades in all sorts of devices. LED flashlights are a big market as well as electric car and power tool battery packs, and pretty much any device that needs high amperage batteries for long life.
They'll be around as long as they can be sold individually for private use. Button tops aren't as popular even in ecig mods these days. I have a few old AW's I use in my Provari and Sigelei Telescope, but those mods don't see much use these days. I'm spoiled by the newer ones.
It's a good question. I think most of the battery packs for airplanes and electric cars use flat tops because it's easier to spot weld the strap connectors onto a flat top cell in a battery pack.
They'll be around as long as they can be sold individually for private use. Button tops aren't as popular even in ecig mods these days. I have a few old AW's I use in my Provari and Sigelei Telescope, but those mods don't see much use these days. I'm spoiled by the newer ones.
It's a good question. I think most of the battery packs for airplanes and electric cars use flat tops because it's easier to spot weld the strap connectors onto a flat top cell in a battery pack.
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good question. I've asked this before, where AW get there batteries from? I'm pretty sure they're not an actual manufacturer of batteries. someone HAS to be making 18350s and 18500/490s.
AW probably get's the batteries from the 2 or three mfgr's. of batteries that exists. I know AW doesn't manufacture their own, they just re wrap, and sell.
I've used a number of AW 10A cells in the past for low wattage vapes. Several that I have left have been stored for several years. The few times I've topped off the charge and tried them they still worked fine in my Provari V2.
Most of my current batteries are Sony, LG, and Samsung. That said, I still have one of those older Efest 35A
batteries that always delivered good vape time. I must have gotten one out of a good batch of bulk resales.
Most of my current batteries are Sony, LG, and Samsung. That said, I still have one of those older Efest 35A
batteries that always delivered good vape time. I must have gotten one out of a good batch of bulk resales.for sure. I'm just curious as to who actually makes the 18350s and 18500s. I've ripped apart some old ones and couldn't ever find a manufacture.
Can you please explain this further? Is it just a button of solder that you put on a flat top? I appreciate any additional info!
Flashlight forum people do it with a blob of solder. Some have developed fiber washer mods with a tiny magnet glued in the middle for the center button. It sounds risky if it isn't done securely. A slip puts the magnet between the outer case and the inner contact.
Add button to flat-top cells? | BudgetLightForum.com
Flat top battery adapter
Flat Top Battery Adapter | SmokTek.com
You can probably use a 1 mm thick magnet 6 or 8 mm round too.
Flat Top Battery Adapter | SmokTek.com
You can probably use a 1 mm thick magnet 6 or 8 mm round too.
Wow Im shocked and stunned to see promulgation of complete falsehoods here on ECF go on for months without correction.
(Upsetting).
AW batteries came into existence by flashlight enthusiast Andrew Wan and his search for top of the top, safe, quality batteries.
Personal selections, inspections, tests, performances and controlled manufacturing above the competition is what sealed the AW reputation.
If you can get your hands on the actual IMR AWs from this top shelf small company, grab them.
Beware of fakes (ebay or amazon) buy only from bona fide AW resellers (list on ECF).
To cut off bad rumors-AW is the opposite of back room rewrap and resell for profit battery outlets.
You can find blogs here, articles from vape sites outside ECF attesting to the value and performance of the AW
Brand. Dont beleive me, go ahead and bench test them for yourself. Like the premium crafted PVs engineered by aero space scientists, these will hit the specs, hold the specs, every timē.
The problem with rewraps and budget batteries is they’re sold with over rated (and false) labels/stated specs.
You may buy something stated as 3200mAh that might deliver 1920 milli amp hours. They know the “3200” sells.
I’m supposing you all know mAh is commonly used to describe the energy charge that a battery will hold and how long a device will run before the battery needs recharging.
Most common falsehoods are overstated performance,coupled with pushing batts beyond its capabilities (easily done with mistated limits) creates a danger. Few battery brands have been exempt from overrated stats.(except AW)
The alignment with such vape companies (Andrew Wan isnt into vaping) as ProVari(passé) or House of Hybrids was the desire for perfectionists and safety enthusiasts to marry the best hardware with a similarly discriminant power source.
We have budget vapers and discriminant vapers. Those who only want the best, the safest have sought AW.
Hope this clears up things.
Please visit the library and the blogs as battery safety is most important element to vaping.
Cheers.
(Upsetting).
AW batteries came into existence by flashlight enthusiast Andrew Wan and his search for top of the top, safe, quality batteries.
Personal selections, inspections, tests, performances and controlled manufacturing above the competition is what sealed the AW reputation.
If you can get your hands on the actual IMR AWs from this top shelf small company, grab them.
Beware of fakes (ebay or amazon) buy only from bona fide AW resellers (list on ECF).
To cut off bad rumors-AW is the opposite of back room rewrap and resell for profit battery outlets.
You can find blogs here, articles from vape sites outside ECF attesting to the value and performance of the AW
Brand. Dont beleive me, go ahead and bench test them for yourself. Like the premium crafted PVs engineered by aero space scientists, these will hit the specs, hold the specs, every timē.
The problem with rewraps and budget batteries is they’re sold with over rated (and false) labels/stated specs.
You may buy something stated as 3200mAh that might deliver 1920 milli amp hours. They know the “3200” sells.
I’m supposing you all know mAh is commonly used to describe the energy charge that a battery will hold and how long a device will run before the battery needs recharging.
Most common falsehoods are overstated performance,coupled with pushing batts beyond its capabilities (easily done with mistated limits) creates a danger. Few battery brands have been exempt from overrated stats.(except AW)
The alignment with such vape companies (Andrew Wan isnt into vaping) as ProVari(passé) or House of Hybrids was the desire for perfectionists and safety enthusiasts to marry the best hardware with a similarly discriminant power source.
We have budget vapers and discriminant vapers. Those who only want the best, the safest have sought AW.
Hope this clears up things.
Please visit the library and the blogs as battery safety is most important element to vaping.
Cheers.
I guess it depends on how much you know about batts, wholesale marketing, A,B,C stock, bench test results etc.
For basic chemistry comparison of same high drain IMR -yes.
Most vapers could care less, it's a Walmart mentality world I guess
1. AW doesn't offer "better" cells than EnerCig, whose cells perform according to the tests equal to the original cells. At half the price of AW batteries.
2. Provari stated AW as the best cells available, because AW was one of the few retailers out there, where 18650s were readily available at that time. But even Provari rowed back, as 18650s from the Big 4 could be purchased from more and more other reliable sources like nkon for example.
2. Provari stated AW as the best cells available, because AW was one of the few retailers out there, where 18650s were readily available at that time. But even Provari rowed back, as 18650s from the Big 4 could be purchased from more and more other reliable sources like nkon for example.
Both of you make excellent points.
When AW began offering the first high drain batteries to the retail market, they were recogized as the best available at the time (circa 2012 - 2014). AW earned their reputation of offering the best performing batteries by testing the batteries they obtained prior to putting their familiar red AW wrapper on only those batteries that met their higher specification standards. The reason that AW charged more for their batteries undoubtedly was because of the additional time required for actual spec testing.
AW has kind of fallen behind other resellers as more and more suppliers are able to obtain batteries from LG, Samsung, Sony, and Panasonic/Sanyo when the demand for more high drain batteries has evolved and as battery technology has improved.
AW's top battery currently is the 3000mah 20A battery (its a flat top), likely a rewrapped LG HG2:
- AW 20A 3000mAh Flat-Top 18650 Bench Test Results...a good high-capacity 20A battery, could be an HG2
Enercig seems to have followed AW's lead by rewrapping the "better" cells from Sony and Panasonic/Sanyo. Like AW, they don't exaggerate their cell's specs like most other rewrap companies tend to do. I don't know if they test their cells prior to resale for the retail market like AW, but they seem to have earned the same reputation for quality:
Nowadays, there's generally no reason to buy AW or EnerCig batteries if authentic LG, Samsung, or Sony are available...often at a cheaper retail price. The only reason to buy AW or EnerCig is if you live in a country where they are the only quality batteries available to you.
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I am not so sure, if they test their branded cells, but I found on their website technical specifications like this one: http://www.enercig.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/EC-26650_5200_EC-265HC.pdf
http://www.enercig.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/EC-26650_5200_EC-265HC.pdf
Seems they test their batteries, that are sourced from Chinese manufacturer.
http://www.enercig.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/EC-26650_5200_EC-265HC.pdf
Seems they test their batteries, that are sourced from Chinese manufacturer.
In the EU you pay 3$ less for Enercigs 5-prong 20700 battery, compared to the same cell Ijoy/Efest/... offers.
And even their 20700B rewrap is more than 1$ cheaper compared to the original from Sanyo.
Their 18650s are about the same price though.
*prices taken from NKon.nl and Akkuteile.de for 1 single cell respectively
And even their 20700B rewrap is more than 1$ cheaper compared to the original from Sanyo.
Their 18650s are about the same price though.
*prices taken from NKon.nl and Akkuteile.de for 1 single cell respectively
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Okay, so can someone help me with finding button tops that I can use in my ProVaris since I can't find AW batts anymore? I do have a couple of those "flat top battery adapters", but am leery of using them.......... and they may cut down the performance of the battery ? Thank you for any help.
P.S. I do use all 3 sizes (18650, 18450/18500, 18350). Made sure to buy the extension caps and rings.
P.S. I do use all 3 sizes (18650, 18450/18500, 18350). Made sure to buy the extension caps and rings.
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