18650 3000mAh 20A High Drain Orbtronic Li-ion Battery?

[Mostly Sunny]

I haven't been able to find much discussion about this battery. <<http://www.orbtronic.com/18650-3000mah-20a-high-drain-orbtronic-li-ion-battery>> Do any of you battery experts know anything it? Has it been around and not really appropriate for our needs or maybe fairly new and not really discovered yet?

I'm considering upgrading my batteries because I'm thinking about getting a kbox to go with my subtank for everyday, take it to work outside in the elements use (since my MVP 3.0 is dying after 4 months ... resistance fluctuations) but there doesn't seem to be much talk about it. I've only found 2 reviews, both of which liked it quite well.

From the specs it looks to me like it would be better than most of the batteries I've seen recommended here for the kbox which will probably never see lower than .5 ohm. I usually switch off between .5 and 1.5 ohm depending on my mood at the time. And unless I'm mistaken, I can still use it in the ProVari P3 and the Reo Grand.

I have seen the Orbtronic SX22 and SX30 recommended but this one looks to have a higher capacity and still more than enough current throughput for the kbox.

Is this overkill for my needs? I've found myself slowly gravitating toward the sub-ohm realm so a little overkill is okay.

Thoughts?

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

LG makes a 18650 3000 mah battery the HG2 which is getting a lot of love on the forum. It's a 20 amp battery. What Orbatronic has probable done is re wrap that battery or bought the factory seconds and re wrapped them as their own. You're better off finding a vendor who sells the original in my opinion.

Check one of these.
http://www.illumn.com/
http://www.rtdvapor.com/
http://liionwholesale.com/
https://www.imrbatteries.com/

Samsung 25r's are also highly recommended, as are the Sony VTC 4's and 5's. All of these batteries will fit your vaping style with room to spare.

From the ECF battery Guru's...
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...safe-battery-to-vape-with.7447/#comment-13198
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...ch-test-results-which-battery-is-best.689876/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude.88498/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/mooch.256958/

Good luck in your journey.

 

[Susan~S]

Is this overkill for my needs? I've found myself slowly gravitating toward the sub-ohm realm so a little overkill is okay.

For a regulated mod, in VW mode, you calculate the max current draw as Max Amps = Max Wattage / Min Battery Voltage.

So Max Amps = 40 watts / 3.2 volts = 12.5A

• 3.2 volts is used for min battery voltage as that's when most mods will tell you it's time to recharge your battery.
• Up to 15A or 50W @Mooch has recommended the Samsung 30Q or LG HG2

And unless I'm mistaken, I can still use it in the ProVari P3 and the Reo Grand.

As for using a battery in an unregulated mod (like the REO), when considering how low you can build you need to give yourself some headroom. I try to never exceed 50% of the CDR (continuous discharge rating) of a fully charged battery (4.2v). So with a 20A battery, that would be 10A. This Ohm's Law Calculator tells me that a 0.4Ω build is as low as I would want to use.

The reason that I place a 50% limit is because as a battery ages the mAh of the battery degrades, as the mAh degrades so does the batteries c rating (amp limit). So down the road, a 20A battery may only be a 10A battery."

As for the Provari, at one time Provape recommended AW IMR batteries. That may have changed. I know AW are "nipple top" batteries.

BATTERIES - WHERE TO BUY

Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.

• RTD Vapor
• Illumination Supply
• Orbtronics
• IMR Batteries
• Liion Wholesale

 

[Thrasher]

LG makes a 18650 3000 mah battery the HG2 which is getting a lot of love on the forum. It's a 20 amp battery. What Orbatronic has probable done is re wrap that battery or bought the factory seconds and re wrapped them as their own. You're better off finding a vendor who sells the original in my opinion.

Check one of these.
http://www.illumn.com/
http://www.rtdvapor.com/
http://liionwholesale.com/
https://www.imrbatteries.com/

Samsung 25r's are also highly recommended, as are the Sony VTC 4's and 5's. All of these batteries will fit your vaping style with room to spare.

From the ECF battery Guru's...
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...safe-battery-to-vape-with.7447/#comment-13198
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...ch-test-results-which-battery-is-best.689876/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude.88498/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/mooch.256958/

Good luck in your journey.

I have to stand up for orbtronics, from the GG forums to busardo we been using them for years now. Orbtronics is probably one of the top vendors and one of the few to call out other companies, Right on the website, for selling batteries using false claims.

They may not tell you what it is, but they don't hide it either. Good people to deal with, very knowledgeable and always answers emails if he can.


They do have a rewrap fetish though lol. But many times he has had new cells months before other vendors. Best to keep them hidden lol.

 

[Mostly Sunny]

Thanks for the links Sir2fyablyNutz, I'll do some more reading once my eyes get uncrossed from all the previous reading.

 

[Mostly Sunny]

[QUOTE="As for using a battery in an unregulated mod (like the REO), when considering how low you can build you need to give yourself some headroom. I try to never exceed 50% of the CDR (continuous discharge rating) of a fully charged battery (4.2v). So with a 20A battery, that would be 10A. This Ohm's Law Calculator tells me that a 0.4Ω build is as low as I would want to use.

As for the Provari, at one time Provape recommended AW IMR batteries. That may have changed. I know AW are "nipple top" batteries."
[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply Susan. I don't plan on taking the REO build below .5 ohm so I should be good to go there. I know ProVape recommended AW IMR's and that's what I've been using but you got me curious so I went and checked again. It looks like they changed their tune a bit for the 2015 Classic and the P3. They are now recommending the Samsung. The Green INR 25R5 is the picture they have posted which, according to Mooch's chart, is 20 amp flow with 2500 mAh storage so it's right in line with this Orbtronic I'm looking at.

 

[Strontium]

Why don't you go straight to the source. Email orbtronic, and get the right answer.
As I know Orbtronic is usually releasing new models months before anybody else.
Most of these recommended battery sellers have zero days battery return policy. Why?
With Orbtronics that's not a case.
RTDvapors would be my second choice.

 

[Mostly Sunny]

Why don't you go straight to the source. Email orbtronic, and get the right answer.

I may do that. The problem is that I can never completely trust what a salesperson says when they may stand to profit from the resulting outcome. I mean, if this battery really is worth 1 1/2+ times that of the LG HG2, the Samsung INR 25R5 or the Sony VTC's ... is it worth it to me or to them? That's why I was hoping to get some unbiased opinions here.

They do have a rewrap fetish though lol. But many times he has had new cells months before other vendors. Best to keep them hidden lol.

Yeah their sticker on the new wrap does look quite nice, huh? I think this is a new cell. After I read your reply I went back to their site and clicked on "New Products" and this one is at the top of the list. I'd never heard of Orbtronic until just very recently but for some reason I have good feelings about them. Maybe because I've read some favorable comments about Orbtronic in general by some long-time posters.

I'm leaning toward giving this cell a try. Best case scenario I get to be an early adopter to a fantastic new battery. Less than best case I pay an extra $4 or $5 and get a fetish induced rewrapped cell with a fantastic looking sticker.

 

[Thrasher]

No doubt orb is premium priced. But have no fear about the quality or customer service. He will lose a sale before he tries to scam someone.

Before vaping orb got his rep on the flashlight forums. They have answered every question I've ever asked.

And if you think we get O C D here visit candlepowerforums those guys are worse then we are over flashlights and batteries. Orb is well known and trusted there.

CPF is also where we picked up a lot of battery info for a while, AW has his own thread there as well.


It wasnt until recently we actually started testing cells with vaping in mind, guys like mooch have been a big help to vaping.

 

[Ryedan]

LG makes a 18650 3000 mah battery the HG2 which is getting a lot of love on the forum. It's a 20 amp battery. What Orbatronic has probable done is re wrap that battery or bought the factory seconds and re wrapped them as their own. You're better off finding a vendor who sells the original in my opinion.

Check one of these.
http://www.illumn.com/
http://www.rtdvapor.com/
http://liionwholesale.com/
https://www.imrbatteries.com/

I doubt Orbtronic would sell anything but the best batteries, but I like to be sure of what battery I've got and generally non-rewrapped batteries are cheaper too. Illumination Supply is selling the LG HG2 for $7. I trust all the suppliers listed above not to sell counterfeits.

 

[Mostly Sunny]

And if you think we get O C D here visit candlepowerforums those guys are worse then we are over flashlights and batteries.

LOL I hear that. I work with one of those guys. I don't know how many flashlights he has but he won't hardly think twice to spend another $50 - 60 to get some new light that puts out an extra 25 Lumens or has some special flash pattern or whatever. A couple of months ago I was looking to replace a pen light and I knew better but I asked him for advice. He talked me into getting a Zebralight SC52W. Just slight overkill for what I needed. BTW Thanks for bringing this up, I might add a couple 14500's if I order from him to replace the AA's I've got in the light now. Now I get to research 14500 cells as well. Thanks Thrasher!

 

[Mostly Sunny]

I doubt Orbtronic would sell anything but the best batteries, but I like to be sure of what battery I've got and generally non-rewrapped batteries are cheaper too. Illumination Supply is selling the LG HE2 for $7. I trust all the suppliers listed above not to sell counterfeits.

I'm assuming you mistyped and meant the LG HG2 that you linked. Are you thinking the ORB3000-20A is a rewrapped LG HE2? Orbtronics also has the HG2 for the same price as Illumination so do you think they'd rewrap it and charge an extra $4.72? They do have the same specs and both are hybrid IMR (INR).

Is there some reason some of the people here are trying to steer me away from and others toward Orbtronics? Do you know something you're not saying or just that you don't have any experience with them and are being protective? I've also noticed the ones steering me toward Orbtronics both may live in the same state in where Orbtronics is based ... one looks to be right across the bridge. The other one listed "Hurricane State" in their profile which may be Florida but I think overall the Carolinas get more hurricanes than we do. I'm not insinuating anyone's being biased but there is something to be said for doing business with someone in your home state. Orbtronics shipping looks to be cheaper and likely to be faster to my location over here to the "Right" side of Florida.

I appreciate all the suggestions of which cell to use, I really do, but the original question remains ... Does anyone know anything about the 18650 300mAh 20A High Drain Orbtronic Li-ion Battery? In my research I did see ... I think it was Baditude recommend and post a link to one of Orbtronic's batteries. If I remember right it was the SX30 which I felt provides more current and less capacitance than I'm looking for. I don't remember the date of his post so the cell I'm looking at now may not have even been out yet at that time.

 

[Susan~S]

Now I get to research 14500 cells as well.

I use an AW IMR 650mAh 9A cell in my mini REO wooden box mods. RTD Vapor carries them.

 

[Ryedan]

I'm assuming you mistyped and meant the LG HG2 that you linked. Are you thinking the ORB3000-20A is a rewrapped LG HE2? Orbtronics also has the HG2 for the same price as Illumination so do you think they'd rewrap it and charge an extra $4.72? They do have the same specs and both are hybrid IMR (INR).

You are correct, I meant HG2 and corrected it when I re-read my post and noticed it. I was thinking that's what the re-wrap is.

I certainly don't know that for sure though. AW also has a 3000 mAh 20A battery and the Samsung 30Q is 3000 mAh, but Samsung rates it at 15A. @Mooch has tested it and it performs well up to 20A. AW is generally more expensive and if it were an AW my thought is they would market it that way, but that's also just my opinion. This is the reason I only buy manufacturer brands. I like to know what I've actually got.

Is there some reason some of the people here are trying to steer me away from and others toward Orbtronics? Do you know something you're not saying or just that you don't have any experience with them and are being protective? I've also noticed the ones steering me toward Orbtronics both may live in the same state in where Orbtronics is based ... one looks to be right across the bridge. The other one listed "Hurricane State" in their profile which may be Florida but I think overall the Carolinas get more hurricanes than we do. I'm not insinuating anyone's being biased but there is something to be said for doing business with someone in your home state. Orbtronics shipping looks to be cheaper and likely to be faster to my location over here to the "Right" side of Florida.

I think it has a lot to do with personal preference in suppliers. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from any of the suppliers on that list. My preference is to go to Illumn first because I've bought from them several times so I have the most experience with them. OTOH I have also bought from a few other suppliers and had good experiences with them. I'm in Canada.

If I remember right it was the SX30 which I felt provides more current and less capacitance than I'm looking for. I don't remember the date of his post so the cell I'm looking at now may not have even been out yet at that time.

I believe the SX30 is generally believed to be a Sony VTC4. That's all I've got.

 

[Thrasher]

Personally I say go with the best prices, no matter who it is (from rep dealrs). My fav store is actually RTD, those guys rock, ship fast, (with orbtronics I also get sales tax) and have fixed any problems almost immediately. Bought lots of cells and chargers there.

i have no real preference but sometimes good customer service is worth the extra penny for some folks so I just popped in to say orb is a good place.

 

[Thrasher]

No doubt orb is premium priced. But have no fear about the quality or customer service. He will lose a sale before he tries to scam someone.

Before vaping orb got his rep on the flashlight forums. They have answered every question I've ever asked.

And if you think we get O C D here visit candlepowerforums those guys are worse then we are over flashlights and batteries. Orb is well known and trusted there.

CPF is also where we picked up a lot of battery info for a while, AW has his own thread there as well.


It wasnt until recently we actually started testing cells with vaping in mind, guys like mooch have been a big help to vaping.

You know, back in the day I can remember emails with orb, think his name is steve? Anyway, he was telling me he had these new 10 amp panasonics coming and they were going to be 2900 mah, and will be a killer cell for my provari, said it will be one of the best batteries ever, lol.
I bought 8, 2 years (at least ) later those cells can still hold a full charge. So he won my trust.but im cheap lol ive even ordered cells from fasttech once the community has verified them.

 

[Mostly Sunny]

Well if the ORB3000-20A is a rewrapped LG HG2 then they certainly did improve it but that's just not worth half again the price of the cell to me. I think I'll go with the HG2 and rewrap it myself if that .... ugly brown annoys me too much. I wonder if Orbtronics will sell me a couple of those attractive stickers.

As far as vendors goes, I'll go through the list you guys provided (including Orbtronics) and see where I can get the best deal on 18650's and 14500's. And yes Thrasher, I did forget about state sales tax so Orbtronics has a little ground to make up.

Thanks everybody for all your help and your input.