2 questions about mods

[erulastiel]

no big epic question this time haha

1. what is a 'kick' an what does it do exactly? and also what is a fair price to expect to pay for one?

2. is a blowout fuse an absolute necessity with mechanical mods? i read on an ebay listing for a telescope mod (name isnt listed but ive seen them before, cannot remember what its called) that it is and they sell them seporately but are they being honest or are they just trying to sell more OR is this just the mark of a cheap copy mod? the fuse was only £3 so not a massive investment and the mod (without any accessories or batteries) is £18/$30 bin. xx

 

[Baditude]

I can't comment on whether the prices are fair or not. I don't do international monetary conversions.

The Kick is a drop in module that sits on top of the battery in a mechanical tube mod. It is a microprocessor power regulater which can increase or regulate the voltage (wattage) of a single voltage device. It essentially turns a mechanical mod into a variable power mod. It has similar built-in protections like a regulated mod has. Power adjustment is made by turning a screw head on top of the Kick, so the mod needs to be taken apart to adjust power.

Kick in a Silver Bullet mechanical mod

There are two types of safety fuses. The cheaper type, often called the 2 cent fuse, can only be tripped once in the event of a hard short and will need to be replaced. The more expensive Vape Safe Mod Fuse can be tripped several times, but multiple shorts protected can ruin it. More like a circuit breaker than a fuse. These attach to the negative end of your battery by means of a small magnet.



Mechanical mods have no built-in safety features like a regulated PV does. YOU are the safety device by practicing safe battery and vaping measures. Vent holes in the mod and a collapsable hot spring only take affect AFTER a battery decides to hard short, and may prevent a mechanical mod turn into a pipe bomb. A vape safe fuse is highly recommended as at least one layer of protection against a battery hard short.

A battery hard short is when a battery becomes stressed, becomes hot, and an irreversable chemical reaction occurs called thermal runaway. This can be as simple as venting gas to as complex as venting hot flames capable of starting a fire or worse. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-information/190146-pictures-serious-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html#post3265928

Safe chemistry batteries such as an IMR are now recommended to be used in mods for all applications. These batteries have higher tolerances and do not get as "excited" when stressed, and should only vent gas when out of control.

Not that long ago, "protected" li-ion batteries were recommended. However, the protected circuits in these batteries can fail, leaving the more volatile chemistry of li-ion batteries free go into thermal runaway. These batteries are more violent when in thermal runaway, venting hot flames.



It's EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to use the correct batteries in your mod. Please read over this guide I've made for novices to know which batteries are safe, along with recommended batteries to purchase for your particular application:

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected?

 

[damthisisfun]

Bad has all the answers.......and they are always good, helpful and accurate

 

[Shadav]

Sorry to hijack thread but omfg that's sweet

View attachment 253412 Kick in a Silver Bullet mechanical mod

Steals baditude's mod....ORANGEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I now return you to your normal posting, sorry

 

[Baditude]

Sorry to hijack thread but omfg that's sweet

Steals baditude's mod....ORANGEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Not my mod; pic was stolen from the internet (Google Images).

Here's mine

 

[erulastiel]

I can't comment on whether the prices are fair or not. I don't do international monetary conversions.

The Kick is a drop in module that sits on top of the battery in a mechanical tube mod. It is a microprocessor power regulater which can increase or regulate the voltage (wattage) of a single voltage device. It essentially turns a mechanical mod into a variable power mod. It has similar built-in protections like a regulated mod has. Power adjustment is made by turning a screw head on top of the Kick, so the mod needs to be taken apart to adjust power.

View attachment 253412 Kick in a Silver Bullet mechanical mod

There are two types of safety fuses. The cheaper type, often called the 2 cent fuse, can only be tripped once in the event of a hard short and will need to be replaced. The more expensive Vape Safe Mod Fuse can be tripped several times, but multiple shorts protected can ruin it. More like a circuit breaker than a fuse. These attach to the negative end of your battery by means of a small magnet.

View attachment 253413

Mechanical mods have no built-in safety features like a regulated PV does. YOU are the safety device by practicing safe battery and vaping measures. Vent holes in the mod and a collapsable hot spring only take affect AFTER a battery decides to hard short, and may prevent a mechanical mod turn into a pipe bomb. A vape safe fuse is highly recommended as at least one layer of protection against a battery hard short.

A battery hard short is when a battery becomes stressed, becomes hot, and an irreversable chemical reaction occurs called thermal runaway. This can be as simple as venting gas to as complex as venting hot flames capable of starting a fire or worse. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-information/190146-pictures-serious-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html#post3265928

Safe chemistry batteries such as an IMR are now recommended to be used in mods for all applications. These batteries have higher tolerances and do not get as "excited" when stressed, and should only vent gas when out of control.

Not that long ago, "protected" li-ion batteries were recommended. However, the protected circuits in these batteries can fail, leaving the more volatile chemistry of li-ion batteries free go into thermal runaway. These batteries are more violent when in thermal runaway, venting hot flames.

View attachment 253420

It's EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to use the correct batteries in your mod. Please read over this guide I've made for novices to know which batteries are safe, along with recommended batteries to purchase for your particular application:

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected?

thanks, thats brilliant. if it helps at all, this is the listing for the mod, see what i mean when i said it looks like a popular mod ive seen before but i cant remember the name of it. im not really sure which battery is best for these, it will be a 18650 but which one?

 

[erulastiel]

Not my mod; pic was stolen from the internet (Google Images).

Here's mine

View attachment 253428

an that is one sweet looking mon, what is it? never seen that before ^^

 

[Shadav]

an that is one sweet looking mon, what is it? never seen that before ^^

Silver Bullet, but I'd never seen it in orange hehehe...figures <3 AltSmoke <3 orangeness
Silver Bullet - AltSmoke

 

[Baditude]

thanks, thats brilliant. if it helps at all, this is the listing for the mod, see what i mean when i said it looks like a popular mod ive seen before but i cant remember the name of it. im not really sure which battery is best for these, it will be a 18650 but which one?

Did you mean to add a link?

If you click the link at the end of my first post, I have a list of recommended 18650 IMR batteries.

an that is one sweet looking mon, what is it? never seen that before

That's a white AltSmoke Silver Bullet, same as the red one posted before. It has an AGA T2 RBA atop of it.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Bolt Mod is a more inexpensive version of the Silver Bullet

The Bolt Mod - Black

Get a 18500 and a kick and BAZING!

 

[Plumes.91]

I'm surprised an ebay seller recommended a 2 cents 4 safety fuse considering most ebay sellers are crooked fly by night companies that know they will be getting banned from ebay eventually anyway. Dont ever buy your IMR batteries from ebay as a rule. They can be used and you'd never know it. I bought them from ebay a few times from a few different vendors before learning my lesson. Be safe!

 

[erulastiel]

Did you mean to add a link?

If you click the link at the end of my first post, I have a list of recommended 18650 IMR batteries.


That's a white AltSmoke Silver Bullet, same as the red one posted before. It has an AGA T2 RBA atop of it.

so im probably best off going with a Protected NCR/ICR Li Ion, i would prefer the longest battery life available so this one sounds like it would suiit me, would you say its alright WITHOUT a kick and the mod i linked (or rather, forgot to link) earlier - Stainless E Shisha Ego 510 Mechanical Mod Battery Compartment Telescopic 18650 + | eBay
x

 

[erulastiel]

I'm surprised an ebay seller recommended a 2 cents 4 safety fuse considering most ebay sellers are crooked fly by night companies that know they will be getting banned from ebay eventually anyway. Dont ever buy your IMR batteries from ebay as a rule. They can be used and you'd never know it. I bought them from ebay a few times from a few different vendors before learning my lesson. Be safe!

im not sure if it was a 2 cent fuse, it didnt say, it was just listed as a blowout fuse, didnt say anything else about it.
yeah, im being put off more and more from buying anything other than non electrical goods off ebay, ive seen a couple of what are supposedly samsung and sony batteries but they look different in the pictures, different pringting on the battery and different coloured coating to what i find on the official sites, wether thats because they produce them differently in the uk idk but ither way, i dont tihnk id want to chance ruining all my gear to save a little cash. yes im trying to keep things as cheap as possible but its one of those ''more expencive in the long run'' things.

 

[Maggie3199]

Bad has all the answers.......and they are always good, helpful and accurate

Yeah and he's got a cool gun too!!

 

[Baditude]

Ebay and Amazon are notorious for selling generics, off-brand, and even counterfeit "name brand" batteries. If you would have read what was in the link Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected? you would have read that. You also would have read that protected li-ion batteries are no longer recommended, but Li Mn IMR batteries are because of their better safety record. Why sacrifice your safety for longer battery time? Your FIRST PRIORITY in choosing a battery for a mod should be SAFETY.

Don't buy anything from Ebay described as "whatever" safety circuits. It may not be applicable to use in a mod. Name brand items are extremely worthwhile when discussing vape gear. Not just anything transfers over to the devices that we use. I suggest buying only from vendors that sell only vape gear so that you know what you are buying is safe and applicable for its intended purpose. RTD Vapor is such a vendor. Vape Safe Mod Fuse

Buy what and where you want. You came here asking for advice on mods and batteries, and received some sound advice.

Recommended batteries for all mods:

AW IMR
18650 2000mah
18650 1600mah

Panasonic ​or Orbtronic hybrid
CGR18650CH (IMR-Li Ion hybrid) 2250mAh
NCR18650PD 2900mAh


Samsung hybrid (LiNiCoMnP)
INR18650-20R 2000mah

MNKE IMR
IMR18650 1500mah

Sony IMR
us18650v3 IMR 2250mAh

EFEST IMR
18650 2000mah​

 

[Plumes.91]

so im probably best off going with a Protected NCR/ICR Li Ion, i would prefer the longest battery life available so this one sounds like it would suiit me, would you say its alright WITHOUT a kick and the mod i linked (or rather, forgot to link) earlier - Stainless E Shisha Ego 510 Mechanical Mod Battery Compartment Telescopic 18650 + | eBay

Well yes, no. NCR batteries are great for mechanical mods because they are the safest battery chemistry out there from what I've heard. Protected ICR batteries are safe to use, but they aren't great for what we use batteries for. (vaping) The best batteries are the Panasonic NCR hybrids or the HIGH DRAIN IMR batteries, such as AW and EFest. AW being the best around. Efest have a shorter charge life and overall life from the research I've done. AW is top dog right now with the panasonic hybrids in 2nd. Protected ICR batteries are okay for backups but you'll find that they just don't keep their voltage up as long as IMR and NCR batteries do. In addition to this:

As Bad said above, the protected ICR batteries just aren't as safe. They can explode, like a pipe bomb explodes. They exert a forceful explosion from within if the circuit fails. The IMR batteries go through thermal runaway, which means they can potentially explode, but they are more likely to reach a melting temperature, leak hot gasses and potentially leak hazardous materials. So we use AW IMR batteries because they rarely reach an internal resistance or internal temperature high enough to go through thermal runaway and vent. AW last longer than any IMR battery I've tried. I haven't tried hybridNCR batteries yet but I hear they are great. But right now, AW reigns in as king IMR.

 

[erulastiel]

Ebay and Amazon are notorious for selling generics, off-brand, and even counterfeit "name brand" batteries. If you would have read what was in the link Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected? you would have read that. You also would have read that protected li-ion batteries are no longer recommended, but Li Mn IMR batteries are because of their better safety record. Why sacrifice your safety for longer battery time? Your FIRST PRIORITY in choosing a battery for a mod should be SAFETY.

Buy what you want. You came here asking for advice on mods and batteries, and received some sound advice.

sounds likek i didnt read your posts at all didnt it? haha, i did read through it, sorry, cant concerntrate 100% atm, it is nearly 6am right now haha. i sort of zoned in on ''longer life'' and ''built in safety'' an what you asaid at the start of the post had already gone lmao. i found the sony hybrid batteries on a good site for a pretty alright price so ill go with that one, thanks for taking the time to reply =)

 

[erulastiel]

Ebay and Amazon are notorious for selling generics, off-brand, and even counterfeit "name brand" batteries. If you would have read what was in the link Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected? you would have read that. You also would have read that protected li-ion batteries are no longer recommended, but Li Mn IMR batteries are because of their better safety record. Why sacrifice your safety for longer battery time? Your FIRST PRIORITY in choosing a battery for a mod should be SAFETY.

Don't buy anything from Ebay describes as "whatever". It may not be applicable to use in a mod. Name brand items are extremely worthwhile when discussing vape gear. Not just anything transfers over to the devices that we use. I suggest buying only from vendors that sell only vape gear so that you know what you are buying is safe and applicable for its intended purpose. RTD Vapor is such a vendor. Vape Safe Mod Fuse

Buy what and where you want. You came here asking for advice on mods and batteries, and received some sound advice.

oh, sorry for going off topic and for pestring you further but what did you think on the mod? im not 100% sure of if i shoul keep an eye on it or not, it doesnt say the brand or model but i have seen pbusardo reviewing one and he said it was good, im not sure if its the EXACT same one or if its just an unbranded copy.

 

[erulastiel]

Bolt Mod is a more inexpensive version of the Silver Bullet

The Bolt Mod - Black

Get a 18500 and a kick and BAZING!

if i cant get one cheaper i might just go with that if the postage isnt to high =D an luving the pink one <3 actually looks kinda girlie wrather than the usual big bulky which look butch instead of a little feminine haha x

 

[Baditude]

oh, sorry for going off topic and for pestring you further but what did you think on the mod? im not 100% sure of if i shoul keep an eye on it or not, it doesnt say the brand or model but i have seen pbusardo reviewing one and he said it was good, im not sure if its the EXACT same one or if its just an unbranded copy.

Again, going bargain hunting only to save a few bucks and getting an unknown quality piece of hardware isn't very wise in my book. You get what you pay for in this business. If you want something that will be safer and better quality, you'll likely have to pay for it.

There's no way I am going to judge a generic mod with no known track record for safety and reliability. It's just not sinking in with you yet, is it?

In addition, if you were choosing a battery from the above list, there is no Sony hybrid battery listed. The one listed is an IMR. Learn your battery chemistries. It could save you some fingers, teeth, or your home.