2 questions about mods

[Plumes.91]

Can you show us a picture of what your looking at on ebay? I have a telescope and I can hopefully help you figure out what it is they have up for sale. I wouldn't recommend buying from ebay in the 1st place and I think I can give you a couple better options if you show me what it is you saw that you think you like on ebay. I have a telescope and I wont be the last to tell you they had some problems, especially when they first came out. The newer versions are leaps and bounds better though. So shoot me a pic of it and i'll try to help out. But I promise, there are a lot of good mods out there that are also cheap. I do own a bolt and I love it. I like my telescope but I dont love it. Is it a smoktech telescope your looking at?

 

[erulastiel]

Can you show us a picture of what your looking at on ebay? I have a telescope and I can hopefully help you figure out what it is they have up for sale. I wouldn't recommend buying from ebay in the 1st place and I think I can give you a couple better options if you show me what it is you saw that you think you like on ebay. I have a telescope and I wont be the last to tell you they had some problems, especially when they first came out. The newer versions are leaps and bounds better though. So shoot me a pic of it and i'll try to help out. But I promise, there are a lot of good mods out there that are also cheap. I do own a bolt and I love it. I like my telescope but I dont love it. Is it a smoktech telescope your looking at?

yea, these are the two ive been looking at, the first one hwich is a popular mod but it doesnt say the brand, saecond one is a complete set which ive seen loads of good reviews on and a vid on how to tinker it to perform better (its not fabulous when you first get it but is super easy to tinker)

Stainless E Shisha Ego 510 Mechanical Mod Battery Compartment Telescopic 18650 + | eBay

KTS V2 VARIABLE TELESCOPIC VOLTAGE SHISHA PEN MOD 2000mah | eBay

thanks x

 

[Plumes.91]

well for 5 bucks I would of bid on that KTS you don't have much to loose for 5 bucks shipped haha.
but yeah, that first one looks like a smoktech telescope and the second looks like a kanger KTS.
Generally, stay away from youtube. You just can't be sure what your getting. Stick to registered vendors.
You can go to the Kanger or Smoktech website to view a list of registered vendors of their products.

They might look like smoktech and kanger products but they could be inferior clones that you cant even tinker with.
Try to find a cheap site like Fasttech to order from. At least there, there is a community discussing each product.
& fasttech actually tells you "This is a clone of X mod" or "This is a genuine X mod" yknow? Ebay just isn't a good spot.
Especially considering its actually against ebay rules to sell e-cig related merch on their website.
So most of the vendors you see on ebay selling eGos, ecigs, or mods, will eventually be gone and uncontactable.

The vendor selling that KTS is also selling a wooden box mod with unbranded batteries... a Kanger Protank that looks a little too fat to be a genuine Kanger Protank, and he's selling a strobe light. He doesn't seem like a very reliable vendor. But, I can only warn you. You do the decision making. I say don't do it! I've been a broke mod user for a very long time and it doesn't pay to buy cheap when your buying something that your going to put up to your lips 3 thousand times a day.

 

[jiveman]

You can get away with using a kick clone, like the sigelei stomp. it's about half the price as the kick 2 right now. only 20 bucks so it's worth checking out. I love how they upgraded the kick 2 though to have two contact springs and more wattage possibility.

A kick is pretty essential for mech mod vaping for me personally. Unregulated vaping, the vapor starts trailing off and dying and it's just no fun long term during the day. Juices taste different at different volts/wattages too so i love being able to dial up or down to match for taste.

Plus the kick offers short protection so i feel a little better.

Lovin' my kick 2, and if i had to leave the house without it and vape unregulated, i'd be bummed.

 

[AutoMax]

There are two types of safety fuses. The more expensive Vape Safe Mod Fuse can be tripped several times, but multiple shorts protected can ruin it. More like a circuit breaker than a fuse. These attach to the negative end of your battery by means of a small magnet.

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Mechanical mods have no built-in safety features like a regulated PV does. YOU are the safety device by practicing safe battery and vaping measures. Vent holes in the mod and a collapsable hot spring only take affect AFTER a battery decides to hard short, and may prevent a mechanical mod turn into a pipe bomb. A vape safe fuse is highly recommended as at least one layer of protection against a battery hard short.

A battery hard short is when a battery becomes stressed, becomes hot, and an irreversable chemical reaction occurs called thermal runaway. This can be as simple as venting gas to as complex as venting hot flames capable of starting a fire or worse. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-information/190146-pictures-serious-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html#post3265928


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It's EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to use the correct batteries in your mod. Please read over this guide I've made for novices to know which batteries are safe, along with recommended batteries to purchase for your particular application:

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected?

At what Voltage/Wattage/Amperage does this "kick in" [I have not been able to find details]. How/When does the chip "know" it's time to break the circuit. The reason I ask is if for example if the "watt limit/amp limit" is set to say 15w, then I will not be able to use my Chimbus @ .7 Ohms / 4v because that would pull about 23 watts/6AMPS , so in my case this would be useless.

[Using Samsung INR18650-20R {22AMP} batteries so I am well within the amperage limits of the battery @ .7 ohms]

I hope I was able to clearly explain my question.

Thanks.

 

[jiveman]

At what Voltage/Wattage/Amperage does this "kick in" [I have not been able to find details]. How/When does the chip "know" it's time to break the circuit. The reason I ask is if for example if the "watt limit/amp limit" is set to say 15w, then I will not be able to use my Chimbus @ .7 Ohms / 4v because that would pull about 23 watts/6AMPS , so in my case this would be useless.

I hope I was able to clearly explain my question.

Thanks.

If you're talking about a kick, the kick functions only at 1.3ohm to 3ohm anything outside of those it can have issues.

"IMR batteries are REQUIRED. Boosting uses more current (amps). LR attys/cartos also use more amps. Some people will use LR attys/cartos and vape at boosted levels. The Kick is designed to accommodate these higher-level current (amps) demands but only IMR batteries have the ability to deliver the amps required. The Kick is designed to be used ONLY with IMR batteries. The Kick performs best with attys/cartos in the 1.3 to 3 ohms range." from their site.


EDIT* I see you're talking about a shortstop fuse. I don't think they allow you to exceed 5amps, or they will but they'll probably fuse out eventually at anything above that.

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The PTC fuse used in the VapeSafe2 is rated for a hold current of 3.5 A, which means that it can carry a continuous current of 3.5 A safely without tripping. Its trip current is rated at 6A, which means that it is guaranteed to trip if 6 A or more is passed through it. If a current between 3.5 and 6 amps is passed through the VapeSafe2, it will trip after an indeterminate amount of time (typically 5-10 seconds or more)

The Shortstop is slightly more lenient...

The time it takes to intervene depends on how much current the battery is pumping through it, if you exceed 5 amps by a large margin it will react much faster than if you only go slightly over 5 amps. Using the standard test that ANSI/NFPA 70 (the national electrical code) specifies, it will limit 8 amperes within 5 seconds starting from an ambient temperature of about 77 degrees Fahrenheit ( 23 degrees Celsius ), however at 10 amperes, it will intervene in about 1 second under the same conditions.
Both quotes are directly from the manufactures site.
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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/411561-cgr18650ch-natural.html#post9391895

 

[AutoMax]

If you're talking about a kick, the kick functions only at 1.3ohm to 3ohm anything outside of those it can have issues.

"IMR batteries are REQUIRED. Boosting uses more current (amps). LR attys/cartos also use more amps. Some people will use LR attys/cartos and vape at boosted levels. The Kick is designed to accommodate these higher-level current (amps) demands but only IMR batteries have the ability to deliver the amps required. The Kick is designed to be used ONLY with IMR batteries. The Kick performs best with attys/cartos in the 1.3 to 3 ohms range." from their site.


EDIT* I see you're talking about a shortstop fuse. I don't think they allow you to exceed 5amps, or they will but they'll probably fuse out eventually at anything above that.

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The PTC fuse used in the VapeSafe2 is rated for a hold current of 3.5 A, which means that it can carry a continuous current of 3.5 A safely without tripping. Its trip current is rated at 6A, which means that it is guaranteed to trip if 6 A or more is passed through it. If a current between 3.5 and 6 amps is passed through the VapeSafe2, it will trip after an indeterminate amount of time (typically 5-10 seconds or more)

The Shortstop is slightly more lenient...

The time it takes to intervene depends on how much current the battery is pumping through it, if you exceed 5 amps by a large margin it will react much faster than if you only go slightly over 5 amps. Using the standard test that ANSI/NFPA 70 (the national electrical code) specifies, it will limit 8 amperes within 5 seconds starting from an ambient temperature of about 77 degrees Fahrenheit ( 23 degrees Celsius ), however at 10 amperes, it will intervene in about 1 second under the same conditions.
Both quotes are directly from the manufactures site.
"

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/411561-cgr18650ch-natural.html#post9391895

Thank you!

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[erulastiel]

i didnt make heads or tails of the last second to last 2 comments haha, im just giving up on getting a SAFE let alone decent mod on my budget for now, will stick with egos which if they break, their £5 to replace, obviously not joy tech or any decent brand but ive had 2 which have both been charged every day for 16 days and seem to be working as they did when they where new haha x plus ive just ordered a custom one from some woman who lives locally, will post a thread when it arrives (not that any guys would be interested lmao) x

 

[Plumes.91]

Guys we're driving this poor girl insane talking about amp and wattage statistics in a thread where a new vaper is trying to upgrade to a mod lol. erulastiel, have you considered variable voltage devices? You can get one for around $50 these days and they are grrreat for newer vapers. You can throw anything ontop and dial it to where you like it flavor and throat hit wise. Definitely think about it. The MVP, the Zmax, the Vamo, all of these would be great starter mods.

 

[Plumes.91]

Otherwise, I completely understand your situation so if you have to experiment and buy a cheap mod, you could do that. I know you won't be rebuilding yet so you should be pretty safe if your using IMR high drain batteries in a cheaper mechanical mod. Just make sure you use 1.3 to 2 ohm coils, nothing lower or much higher, and it should work well. Good luck.

 

[erulastiel]

Guys we're driving this poor girl insane talking about amp and wattage statistics in a thread where a new vaper is trying to upgrade to a mod lol. erulastiel, have you considered variable voltage devices? You can get one for around $50 these days and they are grrreat for newer vapers. You can throw anything ontop and dial it to where you like it flavor and throat hit wise. Definitely think about it. The MVP, the Zmax, the Vamo, all of these would be great starter mods.

lmao, its interesting findin out about stuff like this, ive given up on a mod for now on my budget, even $50 (bout £32) is out of my budget when it doesnt include a battery an a charger (already got tanks), just gunna stick to my cheap and cheerful £5 ego knock off batteries, i was looking at the ego twists, again they look knock off at only £10 but might get one so i can play with the voltage a bit ^^

p.s. i am still a complete and utter noob so dont laugh when i ask whats a 1.3 to 2 ohm coils? lmao x

 

[Plumes.91]

oh thats the resistance of the thing you put on top of your ego battery that vaporizes the juice. The lower the resistant (aka ohm) of the wires in there, the hotter the juice gets burned, relative to the voltage. Since you use regular ego batteries that aren't high voltage, I would use low resistance/ohm heads if I were you. Not too low. Around 1.5 or 2.0 ohms to be safe. Enjoy the vape journey.

 

[erulastiel]

oh thats the resistance of the thing you put on top of your ego battery that vaporizes the juice. The lower the resistant (aka ohm) of the wires in there, the hotter the juice gets burned, relative to the voltage. Since you use regular ego batteries that aren't high voltage, I would use low resistance/ohm heads if I were you. Not too low. Around 1.5 or 2.0 ohms to be safe. Enjoy the vape journey.

oh alright, so if i got like an ego twist and got a low ohm clearo/tank (caan you get different ohm coils or would i have to buy a while new head, i have a kanger evod which i love an dont really wanna get rid of so soon) would he throat hit and amount of vapor be like that of a mod? or would that make it borderline dangerous? x

 

[jiveman]

oh alright, so if i got like an ego twist and got a low ohm clearo/tank (caan you get different ohm coils or would i have to buy a while new head, i have a kanger evod which i love an dont really wanna get rid of so soon) would he throat hit and amount of vapor be like that of a mod? or would that make it borderline dangerous? x

You just buy a new atomizer head for the evod at whatever ohm you want to vape and replace that portion, not the whole unit. You can just buy the coil but you have to wrap it/wick it yourself by taking apart the atomizer head, which isn't difficult, but you'll have to do a little training to know how. All of the protanks and evods use the same atomizer heads.

The lowest ohm you want to go on an ego battery is 1.5ohms because it can't handle much lower because of the amp output putting too much strain on the battery. Genuine Ego twist batteries can handle up to 3.0 amps output before any damage is done to the battery.

And the mods themselves aren't responsible so much for the quality of your vape. A battery is just a battery at the end of the day.
It's all about achieving the power and battery life you need.

Your ego twist is more than capable of delivering just as satisfying a vape as a higher end mod, the only thing it lacks is battery life and some other bells and whistles.

Going lower ohms you just have to be mindful of what voltage you set your device to because vaping too high on a low ohm can be too much for for your juice (could fry it and get burnt taste) or too many amps for your battery (can ruin your battery). A 1.5 - 1.8 ohm coil (low resistance) was designed mainly to use with 3.7volt batteries such as egos to get people vaping at higher watts ultimately offering better vapor/throat hit. (this was before variable voltage/wattage) Now with variable wattage devices, it's not as important what ohm your atomizer is at as long as it's in the safe range.

watts = volts*volts/ohm.

What you're looking for is the wattage that you find appropriate for your juice.
Most people vape between 6-8 watts for best results.

So say you're using your twist right now and you prefer vaping at 4 volts on a 2.5ohm head..

4volts * 4volts/2.5ohms = 6.4watts. So you would be vaping at 6.4 watts right now.

if you were to switch to a lower resistance atomizer such as the 1.8 and kept your voltage the same on your twist (4volts), now it's 4volts * 4volts/1.8ohms= 8.8watts which is still in the safe zone but maybe too much for some juices in which case you'd have to dial down your volts a bit.