21700 batteries will replace 18650 in electrical cigarette industry!

[stols001]

For me, the deal breaker isn't size so much, it's how heavy they are. They kind of seem unwieldy to me but most of my 1 or 2 battery box mods are on the lighter side, except for the steampunk... But I can't imagine the steampunk and its weight with two of those batteries in them.

Also, there are some innovations I just don't "need". Which is totally fine for me and for others. My son, who was a former sub0hm vaper will always tell me about these "great" 3 or 4 battery mods, and I totally understand why it is something he would covet, but that just doesn't hold much appeal for me at all, though I can see why those who go through their batteries fast might enjoy them (and these newer batteries) so I don't see why there needs to be a "stance" at all, or "predictions" where vaping is going other than
a) For those who want them mod makers will probably get even better at using them effectively
b) For those who do not need "more power" will likely continue to use one or two 18650 battery mods and be happy with that.
c) Neither outcome is mutually exclusive.

Anna

 

[Beamslider]

2 Ijoy 20700 batteries by themselves weight 4 1/2 ounces. Pass on that as a tote around.

 

[Zutankhamun]

I don't foresee new 18650's with more amp/mAH coming out any time soon I do how ever see improvements in the current 2X700 series, in the near future

It’s like getting your palm read

 

[Steamer861]

We could argue personal preference all day! Thats not the point!
The point is there is a better battery than an 18650 today!
If you choose not to use it, it's your choice. I could choose an 18490 or 18350 mod! It don't change the fact that the 2X700's are better batteries!
Since when does any one designing a new product, ask whats Second Best!

 

[Beamslider]

That is a personal preference. No evidence that 2x700 batteries are better for vaping than 18650.

Might be better for you but not better for me.

 

[Fozzy71]

No evidence that 2x700 batteries are better for vaping than 18650.

 

[puffon]

I'd rather they developed a safer battery, not a bigger battery.

 

[Steamer861]

No evidence that 2x700 batteries are better

LOL Have you heard of Mooch? He's a guy who tests these things to determine whats better! His findings are not opinions!

 

[Beamslider]

They are not better for my style of vaping......They may be better if you are hitting 200W but I am not.

So no matter what you or mooch say about them there is zero evidence that they would be better for my use.

 

[Steamer861]

Funny, I have installed a Sanyo 20700b in my DNA60 mod running a K-F.
I can vape way more juice on one charge than before with an 18650.
Is that not the definition of better?

 

[zoiDman]

2 Ijoy 20700's thats what's in the Ijoy mod
Compared to 2 VTC5's in the Driod

Gotcha.

I thought maybe you were referring to a Single Battery.

My Mistake.

 

[stols001]

Steamer, no longer battery life is not the definition of "better" at least not by itself. It may be better *for you* and you may enjoy that battery life, but just like EVERYTHING in vaping, it's subjective.

How would that battery be *better* for me, since I mainly use radiuses or P3 or P2.5 and that battery wouldn't even FIT? How is that "better" for me... You want me to retire all the mods that give me a GREAT vape for a longer lasting battery where the newer mods aren't even all that well designed at this point (IMO) and don't have any history of longevity?

Also, most "new" things involve learning how to use them, and that's going to include mod makers. If "battery life" were all that mattered, why would some persons (including myself) purchase ONE battery setups with shorter life? Either we prefer the vape, or in my case, I vape at low enough wattages that even a SINGLE battery mod gives me good battery life is a superior vape, and less heavy to carry?

Please don't discount excellent products and people's preferences. All you can really say is those batteries are better FOR YOU. I don't see why you need everyone to sign on to your "better" batteries to be content with what you have? That's like saying everyone should eat rabbit for Christmas, just because YOU like it. These are matters of taste and preference. I am not denying YOUR enjoyment of these things, but I will not sign on to a "battery life is better so it MUST be better," statement. That's a bit ridiculous.

Anna

 

[Steamer861]

Steamer, no longer battery life is not the definition of "better" at least not by itself. It may be better *for you* and you may enjoy that battery life, but just like EVERYTHING in vaping, it's subjective.

Disagree! There is nothing subjective about longer battery life! It's Black & White

 

[zoiDman]

Funny, I have installed a Sanyo 20700b in my DNA60 mod running a K-F.
I can vape way more juice on one charge than before with an 18650.
Is that not the definition of better?

If that is your Goal. Then sure, it is Better for you.

But take my Latest On-the-Go setup. An eVic Primo Mini SE with a 2.5ml Elfy RTA.

Would a 21700 or 20700 be Better for me? Not Really. Because it just makes the Mod Bigger. And the mAh of my 18650 in the Primo SE exceeds the ml in the Elfy RTA anyway.

I just Don't need 6000 mAh and 30 Amps to drive a 2.5ml RTA at 16.5 Watts while I go to the Post Office and then to the Bank or Grocery Store.

So for this, Size is Better (for Me) than More mAh or More CDR Amps.

 

[Zutankhamun]

No man. Not true.

If safety is the same across the board, then in no way is longer battery life black and white.

If we take this argument to its extreme then a 6ft battery is not ‘better’ than a 65mm battery.
I don’t want a larger battery. I puff 1.2s on a mech, you know how long a 650 lasts?
That cylindrical pipe is long enough as it is.
My pockets are becoming suspect...

 

[stols001]

Last post on the topic:

I AM NOT DENYING YOU YOUR BATTERY LIFE.

The subjective things I am trying to point out are: BATTERY LIFE IS NOT ALWAYS THE FIRST, or EVEN SECOND thing that people care about!!!!!

I won one of those "big bad battery" mods and I won't name it, but it was a piece of junk on the exterior and made of cheap plastic (probably to reduce weight) the vape was alright, nothing special, but I scratched the screen on day one. I probably would have then dropped it and killed the mod. All in ONE battery CHARGE. I'm just saying that quality, suitability, and type of vaping matter MORE than battery life, as that MOD was UNUSABLE by me. I could have had battery life for WEEKS but killed the mod before my FIRST CHARGE. I gifted it.

Surely you can understand that battery life is not the ENTIRE set of subjective parameters that make up a good vape.

I will say this: IT IS BLACK AND WHITE THAT YOUR CELLS MAY HAVE MORE LIFE. MEH. I don't NEED more battery life, I need mods that are durable and work for my style of vaping.

NO ONE is saying (to my knowledge) that these new batteries WILL NOT have more LIFE, (unless they are cheap knockoffs etc) but why do you see that as the ONLY variable in vaping???

MORE LIFE does me no good if I already have MORE than enough!

Anna

 

[zoiDman]

Funny, I have installed a Sanyo 20700b in my DNA60 mod running a K-F.
I can vape way more juice on one charge than before with an 18650.
Is that not the definition of better?

But...

Where a 20700 or 21700 would be Better for me is in a Single Battery Squonk Mech.

Because if I could Safely do a Lower Build because of a Higher CDR, or get Longer Battery Life because of a Greater Battery mAh, then yeah, a 20700 or 21700 would be Better for me in that case.

And I would give up a Little Size to get the Higher CDR or More mAh or Both!

 

[BigEgo]

I'm not interested in new vaping battery tech unless it accomplishes one of two things:

1) Same power/capacity in a smaller form factor OR better power/capacity in the same form factor.

2) Safety increases. This will only happen with solid-state batteries which aren't here yet. One day we will have batteries immune to explosions/fires and a great day that will be.

 

[Steamer861]

Again zoiDman that your "Personal Preference" It's fine for you & thats Great
I upgraded an old Hana Clone with a DNA60 & as luck would have it, a 20700 fit in perfectly
So no increase in mod size, maybe a tiny bit heavier, but negligible, now I have 4000mAH not 2500.
In my book thats "better"

I'v made my points & it's redundant to argue the same point!
Agin for me a battery with more mAH & amps that is nominally bigger is better

Thanks

 

[gpjoe]

But, to me, it's not worth the expense of the upgrade. My brown LG batteries are 3000mAh and fit everything I currently own. I don't need a small increase in run time or a higher CDR for the way I vape.

It may make sense for someone that wants to eek out every last bit of vapor, but the difference doesn't matter to me. Unless, as I already indicated, someone develops a 5000mAh or greater.