2nd hand vapor

[Bassnorma]

And for the record: I vape with my grandchildren in my house, in my car and in their houses. They range from age 16 all the way down to 2. I do not fear that they will be harmed.

The myth of secondhand smoke has been brought to light years ago. It just doesn't fall into the media's attention as we know who pays their bills with advertising. And yeah, they (the anti's) tried for a minute to start a campaign on third hand smoke. <insert bigger eyeroll here> Not sure if they are still trying to push that one, I think some still are but it isn't gaining traction......yet.

Thanks Robin...I do too and without fear.

 

[edyle]

Is it safe to vape with a 1.5 year old in the room?

Is it safe to vape in a car on a 12 hour trip with a 1 year old in the rear car seat?

Is there any studies that say 2nd hand vape is good or bad?

What do you do around toddlers and kids?

1: there's an enormous difference between vaping at 5 watts or less on a small device, and vaping at 50 watts

2: experienced vapors know from experience that vaping while driving can be very problematic.
Vaping at high wattage inside a car could certainly cause problems for the driver

 

[AndriaD]

As is often the case on the internet, I think you misread the tone of my post. I wasn't pointing any fingers or trying to run down vaping in any way. Just illustrating my point that our gear and juice is a lot more dangerous than the vapor itself. And to answer your rhetorical question, no, I don't think it would have been more tragic depending on the substance. Loss of life = maximum tragedy. I said it was more horrifying because it could have so easily been prevented. At least three adults present and no one had the sense to take five seconds and look around for things that might cause harm to the child, and put a cap on it.

Which clearly illustrates that nothing is as hazardous to children as lazy, stupid, unmotivated caregivers.

Andria

 

[kartoffelfaust]

At the end of the day, IMO, it boils down to this:
- its not regulated by governing bodies, so you are free to do what you like. For now.
- Use your best judgement, make the best decision for your scenario and environment. If you are asking, you are concerned. That is good.
- Don't be that person that the news leverages against vapor. That's bad.

With great power comes great responsibility

 

[Mogar]

My father grew up with two smoking parents that smoked 3 packs a day. Took multiple vacations in a VW Bug with them chain smoking wearing no seatbelt. He rode a bike with no pads or helmet. They would go to work and have him go outside and play unsupervised. There were no plug covers in the sockets.... ohhh my god someone send the cops and have them pick up my Grandparents!!! (ok only one is able to be picked up) Neither of them had any issues and granny still smokes to this day and is 99 years old next month.
The truth is smoking DOES NOT CAUSE cancer, it increases the chance of getting it. There are many that smoked for years with nothing wrong with them. There are those that have never smoked and got lung cancer.

 

[Robino1]

My father grew up with two smoking parents that smoked 3 packs a day. Took multiple vacations in a VW Bug with them chain smoking wearing no seatbelt. He rode a bike with no pads or helmet. They would go to work and have him go outside and play unsupervised. There were no plug covers in the sockets.... ohhh my god someone send the cops and have them pick up my Grandparents!!! (ok only one is able to be picked up) Neither of them had any issues and granny still smokes to this day and is 99 years old next month.
The truth is smoking DOES NOT CAUSE cancer, it increases the chance of getting it. There are many that smoked for years with nothing wrong with them. There are those that have never smoked and got lung cancer.

^^Truth ^^

 

[Alien Traveler]

The truth is smoking DOES NOT CAUSE cancer, it increases the chance of getting it.

What a wonderful piece of news!

A bit of sad old news: smoking increase chance of getting lung cancer by 15-30 times.

 

[Alien Traveler]

^^Truth ^^

half truth

 

[Woofer]

What a wonderful piece of news!

A bit of sad old news: smoking increase chance of getting lung cancer by 15-30 times.

Without a from what to what qualifier that is meaningless.
Increase my odds of winning the big lottery by 30 times and I'm still not going to buy a ticket.

 

[Mogar]

Without a from what to what qualifier that is meaningless.
Increase my odds of winning the big lottery by 30 times and I'm still not going to buy a ticket.

True, chances of winning the lottery is (national average as it varies from state to state) 1:18,000,000.
Here are also some numbers (granted from 2011) from the CDC
Population of America 316.13m
population of America that smokes 62.59m
number of people with lung cancer 207,339 (The CDC associates 90% of these to smoke however it does also state that the information is not accurate because they put people that have been "exposed" to second hand smoke in that number, so if "you have ever been around someone that smoked" you are lumped into that group. A few groups put the number closer to 50% of actual smokers)
just some quick math.... 1 in 301 people exposed to smoke get lung cancer according to the CDC (granted the number of actual smokers is closer to 1 in 600)

 

[Ray73]

I don't think there is no harm, but I definitely stand a few feet away from my kids. They understand its not a cigarette and its not actual "smoke", but I rather be safe careful when I'm around them and I think I heard about possible PG allergies, but I think might be from the inhaler and not from someone standing around, but who knows.

 

[Alien Traveler]

True, chances of winning the lottery is (national average as it varies from state to state) 1:18,000,000.
Here are also some numbers (granted from 2011) from the CDC
Population of America 316.13m
population of America that smokes 62.59m
number of people with lung cancer 207,339 (The CDC associates 90% of these to smoke however it does also state that the information is not accurate because they put people that have been "exposed" to second hand smoke in that number, so if "you have ever been around someone that smoked" you are lumped into that group. A few groups put the number closer to 50% of actual smokers)
just some quick math.... 1 in 301 people exposed to smoke get lung cancer according to the CDC (granted the number of actual smokers is closer to 1 in 600)

I am sorry, but your “math” is a perfect example of wrong “statistical” interpretation.

In reality:

Overall, the chance that a man will develop lung cancer in his lifetime is about 1 in 13; for a woman, the risk is about 1 in 16. These numbers include both smokers and non-smokers. For smokers the risk is much higher, while for non-smokers the risk is lower.

What are the key statistics about lung cancer?

1 in 13 is very high probability. Knowing that smoking is increasing chances of lung cancer at least 15-fold… Deadly probability.

 

[ScubaBebe]

Tying into a different thread where many people have said that they would rather their kids vape than smoke. So for all of those who say that vapor is no different from the air that we breathe, why would you not want to see a 5 year old vaping 0 mg nicotine? Since there is no nicotine, isn't the vapor the same as the air they are already breathing in? And what if a kid wants to vape, but has no intention of smoking cigarettes. Is it ok? If vaping is so safe, then why restrict its sales and use to adults?

My kids are older (the youngest is 17 and the oldest is 20). When I was still smoking, I never smoked inside the house. When outside and I lit up, I always maintained a distance between me and them and made sure that I was downwind of them. While I will vape in the house now, I still won't vape if I am in the same room with them, and I also make sure that my clouds don't drift towards them. They much prefer me vaping since my car doesn't smell like smoke any more and smells like fruit instead, but I also don't subject them to it if I don't have to. Now if my kids approached me and said that they wanted to take up vaping, I wouldn't have an issue with it. After all, I'm going to treat them like adults and they can make up their own minds. Luckily, they really have no desire to.

I really hope my kids and grands do neither. Health and money and aggravation.

The thread is about exhaled vapor not handing the kid a mod.

 

[skoony]

Repeating multiple times unconfirmed statement does not make that statement confirmed.

with well over 1000 studies indicating vaping to be 3 to 5
magnitudes of order safer than smoking that reduces the risk of vaping
to drinking tap water at 3 and no possibility of harm at 5.
i'm taking the extreme view.
mike

 

[skoony]

Water in the mix?

yes there is water in your juice whether you put it in
there or not. its what makes the whole thing work.
mike

 

[skoony]

I am sorry, but your “math” is a perfect example of wrong “statistical” interpretation.

In reality:

Overall, the chance that a man will develop lung cancer in his lifetime is about 1 in 13; for a woman, the risk is about 1 in 16. These numbers include both smokers and non-smokers. For smokers the risk is much higher, while for non-smokers the risk is lower.

What are the key statistics about lung cancer?

1 in 13 is very high probability. Knowing that smoking is increasing chances of lung cancer at least 15-fold… Deadly probability.

that would mean 1.538 smokers per 13 for men and 1.25 per 16 for woman.
no need to thank me.
mike

 

[Robino1]

An interesting article from 2012: Lung Cancer Cases On the Rise in Non-Smokers, Study Suggests

As the population of never smokers increase, how will they explain the rise in lung cancer? According to this article, they are now blaming emissions from diesel engines. Ya know, something has to be causing lung cancer.

 

[jpargana]

You're comparing an avoidable risk (exposing your kids to vaping) to an unavoidable risk (going outside).

Do you refrain from using you cellphone near your kids? We do not know if cellphone radiation is "100% safe". Using a cellphone near kids would also count as "avoidable".

How about Wi-Fi? Do you have it in your home, where your kids live? That's also avoidable. We used cable before wi-fi. See to it.


Do you lock you toothpaste tube safely every night? Believe or not, there have been some cases of toothpaste poisoning. Leaving your toothpaste unattended like that is an "avoidable" risk as well.


I could go on and on. It seems that vaping is the ONLY "avoidable" risk we care about. Only one of the many risks we take everyday, without even thinking about them.

 

[AndriaD]

Do you refrain from using you cellphone near your kids? We do not know if cellphone radiation is "100% safe". Using a cellphone near kids would also count as "avoidable".

How about Wi-Fi? Do you have it in your home, where your kids live? That's also avoidable. We used cable before wi-fi. See to it.


Do you lock you toothpaste tube safely every night? Believe or not, there have been some cases of toothpaste poisoning. Leaving your toothpaste unattended like that is an "avoidable" risk as well.


I could go on and on. It seems that vaping is the ONLY "avoidable" risk we care about. Only one of the many risks we take everyday, without even thinking about them.

I agree. Vaping seems to have made history by being the first product EVER that some idiots thought needed to be 100% safe for everybody all the time, in order to be allowed to exist.

Here's an even more basic one: fire. Cavemen discovered that one; good thing they had no FDA then, or we'd all still be eating raw food.

Or how about... knives. All y'all so paranoid about "vaping around kids"... do you have a padlock on your knife drawer? Oh, those can be picked; better get a combination lock, just to be *sure*.

Andria

 

[theweatherman]

im with you