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Watching a vid on Tesla and Elon just said that they have and already using 4000 cycle batteries he didn't say it was 21700 but as far as i know this are the batteries they switched to from 18650.
Here is a link if you want to see he talks about it a 2:17
Also he said that all the new cars gonna have a 1000000 mile battery life and said that it needs to be recharged every 250 miles so again 4000 cycle life, and in the cars it's 21700 for sure.
 

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Watching a vid on Tesla and Elon just said that they have and already using 4000 cycle batteries he didn't say it was 21700 but as far as i know this are the batteries they switched to from 18650.
Here is a link if you want to see

Electric cars are definitely driving the tech where batteries are concerned. 250 miles between charges is almost equal to a tank of gas in an average vehicle. A year or so ago we got a charging station a few miles from the house in a shopping center. At first there was only sporadic use. Now, it's common to see 5 or 6 cars backed up to charge. Electric is definitely the way of the future.

We will certainly benefit from the new tech battery chemistry in our ecigs. I'm using a Samsung 40T 21700 in my iStick Pico.

I'm not sure I want to sit on a battery bed while driving.

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Yes this batteries are not for vaping, they're 2.8 nominal voltage and only a few amp CC max but i'm sure the tech will benefit us too in a few years.
I agree electric cars are the future and Tesla is way ahead of every1 else not just on the electric part but also a self driving car, apparently all the cars they sold from the start of this year already can drive themself they are just waiting for legislations to pass to make it legal.
 

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Fully electric cars are the future of investors, who can earn currently lot´s of money on such stories.
As long as electric cars will stay so heavy: Tesla Model X - Wikipedia fully electric cars are making no sense at all IMO.
The Japanese are world leader on car manufacturing and on battery manufacturing, so how come Toyota still manufactures Hybrid cars? Or do we think we can teach the engienners of Toyota something they would not know after they had been pioneers with hybrid motors?!
 

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Fully electric cars are the future of investors, who can earn currently lot´s of money on such stories.
As long as electric cars will stay so heavy: Tesla Model X - Wikipedia fully electric cars are making no sense at all IMO.
The Japanese are world leader on car manufacturing and on battery manufacturing, so how come Toyota still manufactures Hybrid cars? Or do we think we can teach the engienners of Toyota something they would not know after they had been pioneers with hybrid motors?!
The weight thing is an issue, but not by very much. Electric cars only outweigh mechanical cars by 10-20%. As to the hybrid thing Toyota is a mechanical engine maker. They don’t make batteries. They ARE Japanese, but Samsung is Korean, as is LG. Sony is Japanese, but they don’t make cars.

The whole “do you think that...” concept is a standard logical fallacy. As to the model X being heavy, first of all it’s an SUV, and second of all it’s got gull wing doors. Pick just about any other electric vehicle and your argument falls apart.
 

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Electric cars are definitely driving the tech where batteries are concerned. 250 miles between charges is almost equal to a tank of gas in an average vehicle. A year or so ago we got a charging station a few miles from the house in a shopping center. At first there was only sporadic use. Now, it's common to see 5 or 6 cars backed up to charge. Electric is definitely the way of the future.

We will certainly benefit from the new tech battery chemistry in our ecigs. I'm using a Samsung 40T 21700 in my iStick Pico.

I'm not sure I want to sit on a battery bed while driving.

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I love electric although in Argentina it's not common or even in the near future. The first lot of Nissan Leaf has just come in this year. We drive a beat up 2012 Prius and I must say electic power in a congested city like buenos aires and specially our neighbourhood when you need 20 minutes to cross 6 blocks is an enormous asset. The think barely uses fuel. And although it's not going to win any acceleration competitions, it's a charm to drive although it's a little tinny sounding. But, for cities like this, hybrids and electrics are the future.
We changed 3 cells on our Prius batteries and we did it ourselves. Cells in shape are very much alike, but no, no 21700. Still car cell battery tech will reshape much of vaping cell tech in the near future.
 

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Electric cars are not the future.
Hydrogen powered cars are.
Manufacturing and disposing batteries is as unhealthy for our environment as is the use of gasoline.
Electricity has to be produced to charge the cells anyway, so it could be used to produce hydrogen instead.
Hydrogen has its own issues, one of them being gas loss. What is probably the future is no cars. That’s going to be even harder to set up than hydrogen though.
 

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Hydrogen has its own issues, one of them being gas loss. What is probably the future is no cars. That’s going to be even harder to set up than hydrogen though.

Anyone who's watched the Hindenburg video would be wary. Yes, hydrogen is in pressurized tanks in a hydrogen vehicle, but I'd hate to have one burst in a collision.

I want a Jetson vehicle.

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Anyone who's watched the Hindenburg video would be wary. Yes, hydrogen is in pressurized tanks in a hydrogen vehicle, but I'd hate to have one burst in a collision.

I want a Jetson vehicle.

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ATM it’s looking like those are going to be electric. And expensive. And dangerous. And only flyable by AI because they’re so weight sensitive they can’t afford a human pilot.
 

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Electric cars are not the future.
Hydrogen powered cars are.
Manufacturing and disposing batteries is as unhealthy for our environment as is the use of gasoline.
Electricity has to be produced to charge the cells anyway, so it could be used to produce hydrogen instead.
Yes, but still it's very expensive the technology. Maybe soon. But definitely I agree. But I live in a
Hydrogen has its own issues, one of them being gas loss. What is probably the future is no cars. That’s going to be even harder to set up than hydrogen though.
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Anyone who's watched the Hindenburg video would be wary. Yes, hydrogen is in pressurized tanks in a hydrogen vehicle, but I'd hate to have one burst in a collision.

I want a Jetson vehicle.

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I've always dreamed of teleportation. It would solve EVERYTHING
 

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I've always dreamed of teleportation. It would solve EVERYTHING
Or at least teleportation for shipping ... then, instead of notices like "free delivery by Friday if you order in the next 6 hours and 27 minutes", amazon prime could simply say "if you ordered 5 minutes ago, you'd already have it".
 

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The weight thing is an issue, but not by very much. Electric cars only outweigh mechanical cars by 10-20%. As to the hybrid thing Toyota is a mechanical engine maker. They don’t make batteries. They ARE Japanese, but Samsung is Korean, as is LG. Sony is Japanese, but they don’t make cars.

The whole “do you think that...” concept is a standard logical fallacy. As to the model X being heavy, first of all it’s an SUV, and second of all it’s got gull wing doors. Pick just about any other electric vehicle and your argument falls apart.

Toyota works many years together with Panasonic, which is also Japanease and is the innovation leader on batteries (some say, Panasonic is the best manufacturer of batteries in the world).
I think that 2 main objectives make fully electric cars at this point not effiecient enough:
1. The weight, which is not only a matter of the weight of battery, but also all the safety components and devices that are implemented as well as all "luxury" devices etc.
2. Starting from 0 Km, which consume a lot of energy
I talked about it few weeks ago with an engineer, who told me, that if electric cars would have a "start-help" from a normal engine, they can raise the distance in almost 60% - 75%
and I agree with Mimöschen Hydrogen powered cars are more the future, than 100% battery powered cars...frankly speaking I don´t understand, why no one came up with an Hybrid system, that combine Diesel Motors and electric motor? Driving Diesel outside the cities is more environmental-friendly in comparison to gasoline.
 

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Or at least teleportation for shipping ... then, instead of notices like "free delivery by Friday if you order in the next 6 hours and 27 minutes", amazon prime could simply say "if you ordered 5 minutes ago, you'd already have it".
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Toyota works many years together with Panasonic, which is also Japanease and is the innovation leader on batteries (some say, Panasonic is the best manufacturer of batteries in the world).
I think that 2 main objectives make fully electric cars at this point not effiecient enough:
1. The weight, which is not only a matter of the weight of battery, but also all the safety components and devices that are implemented as well as all "luxury" devices etc.
2. Starting from 0 Km, which consume a lot of energy
I talked about it few weeks ago with an engineer, who told me, that if electric cars would have a "start-help" from a normal engine, they can raise the distance in almost 60% - 75%
and I agree with Mimöschen Hydrogen powered cars are more the future, than 100% battery powered cars...frankly speaking I don´t understand, why no one came up with an Hybrid system, that combine Diesel Motors and electric motor? Driving Diesel outside the cities is more environmental-friendly in comparison to gasoline.
1 Panasonic sold their battery division to Samsung. It’s korean now.

2 the 0km issue applies to all vehicles equally. Gas or not.

3. As previously stated hydrogen has its own issues.
Nothing is perfect. The bugbear of hydrogen is gas storage losses.

4. Diesel-electric is a common format for freight trains. It’s actually been in use the longest. New tech in that direction lately has been multiple engines. They’ll put several entire diesel generator motors on a train and run only the number needed at the time.
 

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Hydrogen has its own issues, one of them being gas loss. What is probably the future is no cars. That’s going to be even harder to set up than hydrogen though.
Yes, but still it's very expensive the technology. Maybe soon. But definitely I agree. But I live in a

The travel booths David Niven describes in Ringworld or Jaunting in The Stars My Destination by Bester

Hydrogen-oxygen fuel cells are successfully used in a variety of vehicles already. Starting with modern submarines, but also in public busses and even small cars in Germany and Japan.
Australian scientists have found a way to produce hydrogen and oxygen at significantly lower energycosts with the help of a fluid catalysator.
With water being an abundand resource, that's a lot more cost efficient than any other resource utilized by any other technology to power our vehicles. More so if the process is powered with green energies like solar, wind or water.
Japan has already realized that potential and invests heavily in further research and development.
 
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