510 Adapter for the Prodigy

[CaSHMeRe]

See Below ...

Finally got something accomplished outside of the routine (building Prodigy's/PT's)

Anyways ... The below adapter works flawlessly, and I wanted to know what you guys thought ...

This adapter comes with no groves in the outer housing to allow air to pass through (since a majority of the 510's air is brought in from the 2 holes on the side of the atomizer). What this essentially does, is *tighten* up the draw ... there are both pro's and con's to this way of doing it, which I would like to go over with you guys to find what may be the right solution for everyone.

PRO'S:
* With the amount of less air travel, the hit is actually not at harsh as a standard 510 ... Throat hit is definitely there ... harshness isn't.
* Because of the lack of harshness, you can draw much longer ... 5-6 seconds without overdoing it ...

CON'S:
* Easier to get liquid in the mouth from sucking harder ...
* Vapor is not as intense due to the fact you are drawing in less air ...

Now ... We can make it either way ... It comes down to ...
1) Harshness
2) Draw
3) Inhale Length

Here are pics to describe and show what I am talking about ... Let me know your thoughts guys ...

 

[franklyspeaking]

I hate getting liquid in my mouth. The draw of a 510 seems fine to me as it is. I'm sure you are more tired of fooling with it than we are waiting on it but I'd think that for it to truly serve the 510 atomizer it would need the grooves.

With all that said though, how much reduction in vapor is there? How often do you draw liquid in your mouth? Is there a "sweet spot" in the draw where you get 510 hit and vapor without getting liquid in your mouth?

Tough call...

 

[Mr-Glass]

Hmm.. curious to see what others think - I thought (and could be way off) that air also comes into the atty chamber via four slots on the battery when matched up to the atomizer.. still thinking about it - My other PT is still plugged in at work, so I don't have a good reference other than my 510's here...

 

[franklyspeaking]

Is it more or less vapor than a 901?

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Mr Glass ... Those 4 slots are what we are talking about ...

Essentially what those four slots due is pull the air in ... The atomizer holes don't need to match where those slots sit because it pull the air in to an *empty thread* canal that then gets driven in to those 2 holes ... we have simply taken those slots away ...

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Is it more or less vapor than a 901?

let me try them side by side

 

[Okie]

I agree with frankly, it needs the slots.

 

[wegster]

Hmm. I don't have a Prodigy on order (possibly 'yet'), but have a pair of PTs awaiting for 510 adapters, and..have many 510s.

I *like* a harder draw, but believe I'm in the minority. Even with that said, I think the 510 has close to a perfect draw; I think for overall 'customer expectations/happiness' I would say retain the 510 draw, do not tighten it up, although I'm sure you'd love to be done with this adapter and moving on

 

[Sar]

I hate getting liquid in my mouth. The draw of a 510 seems fine to me as it is. I'm sure you are more tired of fooling with it than we are waiting on it but I'd think that for it to truly serve the 510 atomizer it would need the grooves. ...

Completely agree. The easy draw, consistent throat hit and no liquid in mouth really make 510 great. Maybe another ingredient of the 510 success formula is what Steve calls "harshness" but I am not sure I know what that means. I've been vaping 510 for some time, also with USB passthrough, but I have never experienced any harshness. Steve, what is the difference between a throat hit and harshness?

Actually, the only time I experienced anything close to harshness on 510 was when I tried Janty Heavy Shag eliquid. I think Janty adds pepper or something similar into the mix of that juice. But I know that harshness was because of that liquid and not because of the atomizer.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

throat hit ... feeling enveloping your throat and down in to your lungs ...

harshness ... scratchy hottness going down ...

LOL ... that's the best example I could come up with ...

Vapor production is the same Frankly ... just the darned liquid in the mouth ...

leaning towards the grooves at this point ... will make final determination manana ...

 

[EdGee]

I don't know but if i put a piece of tape around the four battery air slots on my dura c i cannot suck anything. I don't think even a hoover could.

 

[Sar]

throat hit ... feeling enveloping your throat and down in to your lungs ...

harshness ... scratchy hottness going down ...

LOL ... that's the best example I could come up with ...

Vapor production is the same Frankly ... just the darned liquid in the mouth ...

leaning towards the grooves at this point ... will make final determination manana ...

Steve, sorry, I have never ever felt scratchy hottness with 510 (only with the Heavy Shag liquid).

But maybe I am not as sensitive to the harshness, maybe I think of it as part of the throat hit? I just took few drags from old and new atomizer -- both produced smooth experience, although the new atomizer was much easier to draw. The older atomizer doesn't draw as easy, but it is still good, so I wouldn't mind sacrificing a bit of the draw. But that would also mean that my atomizers would not last as long because if the older atomizer is harder to draw as is, with Prodigy it may be way too hard.

One of the "pros" you stated was "Because of the lack of harshness, you can draw much longer ... 5-6 seconds without overdoing it ..."

I would much rather take shorter draws with 510. It already heats up too much and with the Prodigy, shorter draw would be much more important because I'd think that longer draw would heat up the atomizer MUCH faster. I wouldn't really label longer draw on 510 as a pro. To keep things cool, you probably want to get the vape you need with as short draw as possible on 510.

Also, the two "cons" you mentioned:
* Easier to get liquid in the mouth from sucking harder ...
* Vapor is not as intense due to the fact you are drawing in less air

The liquid in the mouth would be really really bad. And I would rather have intense vapor with (harsh?) throat hit.

 

[franklyspeaking]

probably a good direction to lean.

 

[Sar]

Perhaps it could be both ways. Would it be possible to leave the adapter without groves and add a thin washer that would have the groves? That way people could just remove the washer if they wanted longer draws...

 

[emsmom]

I would definitely stick with the grooves. After trying many different atomizers, the 510 draw, as is, is perfect in my book. If I want a harder draw and less "harshness" I would go back to using the Pilot. I have rarely gotten "juice mouth" with the 510 and the idea of that changing is not very appealing.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

I think essentially what you are doing by not including the grooves is the same as covering up the air hole on a 901 atomiser or taping over the air holes on an M401 or RN4081. I think I'd rather have them. Perhaps you could experiment with the size of the grooves to see if that makes any difference?

 

[wegster]

Perhaps it could be both ways. Would it be possible to leave the adapter without groves and add a thin washer that would have the groves? That way people could just remove the washer if they wanted longer draws...

This would be a very good idea, but I'm not sure it'll work. A 510 battery and atty 'seal tight' without much gap, from what I can see, with the washer/slots right at the mating point. I'm not sure if there's enough 'flex' in the inner contact on the adapters center contact, to allow for a 1/2-3/4 mm or so washer, with the grooves cut into it? If the adapter center contact had a bit of 'give' to it (maybe it does, anyone?), though, this could work and be kinda cool, but then of course, we'd all lose the washer replacing attys

Note - the above is guessing, I do not have one in hand. I also don't have a small enough washer to even test my normal 510s with 'added washer'

 

[invidregis]

I have to vote grooves.

 

[gunz4hire]

I'm going to have to say grooves too. Getting Liquid when you vape sucks!


Gunz

 

[Kevin]

I don't have a Prodigy, but the grooves would be important if I wanted a 510 adapter. IMO the 510 has one of the best atomizers out there.