65Mg-75Mg E-Liquid

[SSRob]

I don't think it's a matter of making a unit that will get more nicotine in the vapor. I think your body just has a more difficult time absorbing the nicotine from the vapor versus from cigarette smoke.

Personally I think the strengths available now are getting a bit rediculous. It really won't be long before someone has an accident issue with e-cigs and the news media is going to pick it up like stink on .....

 

[kinabaloo]

I think the problem is that the vaporizers are not efficient at vaporizing much of the nicotine potential in the liquid. I think they must be geared toward vaporizing PG, not nicotine. Nicotine can be absorbed through the skin easily, and you are correct that 75mg juice would be VERY toxic to handle. Still, I had to switch from 24mg to 36mg to get enough nicotine just from vaping. I think they REALLY need to improve the quality of these devices! If a US corporation did it I think the nicotine content could be much lower because more nicotine would make it into the PG smoke.

This is just too ridiculous!

 

[Ridewithme38]

If you vape 36mg/ml liquid, a total of 3-4 ml of juice total for the day, say 12 hours, your nicotine ingestion for an hour would be about 12mg. That would test out to be about 1.2 mg nicotine, because with vaping our bodies only absorb about 10% of the total ingested, because unlike smoking, our lungs are not absorbing the nicotine, the absorbtion is taking place in our mouths, nose, and throat.

If you vape 4ml of 36mg/ml juice in a day thats a total of 144mg of Nicotine VAPED...over 12 hours that 12mg an hour VAPED...there was a scientific Experiment posted previously(Link Here...When i find it) Where they gave a BLOOD test to SEVERAL people who Vaped 16mg/ml juice for 5 minutes and SEVERAL people who smoked a Cigarette for 5 Minutes...the results were something like 13.4mg absorbed for smoking and ONLY 1.3mg's absorbed for Vaping

SOOO OF that 144mg you vaped OVER AN ENTIRE DAY(12mg an Hour) your body ONLY absorbed 14.4mg(1.2mg an Hour) This is ABOUT the Equivalent of ONE CIGARETTE AN HOUR or 12 a Day....LESS THEN A PACK A DAY

Lets use 70mg as an Example since that is brought up in this thread SOO
If you VAPE 4ml's of 70mg over a 12 hour period that is 280mg of Nicotine VAPED(23.3mg an Hour) When you account for the FACT that only 10% of that is Absorbed by the Body it comes down to 28Mg's a day (2.3mg's an Hour) About a Pack and a Half a day...IF YOU ARE USED TO SMOKING A PACK AND A HALF IN A DAY....THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE!!

Don't let the wrong information given by some confuse you guys..What i've posted is Indisputable

 

[DaBrat]

Wow!!! Sounds like suicide watch going on in here!!! Hopefully no one will vape 54 much less 75 straight!!! The body has a habit of building up a tolerance to nicotine as well as other drugs though the fatal dose is basically the same. Thats why the longer you smoke the more you need to get that satisfaction level. Takes more to get the same feeling but cross that 'magical' threshold and you don't wake up!!! I can think of a couple of people in the news recently that may have learned this lesson the hard way!!!! Think folks! PLEASE!

I would rather see someone smoke the occasional analog and slowly increase their vaping than to ingest a dangerous amount of nicotine. What more proof does the FDA or any other alphabet organization need to prove this is dangerous??

I smoked 2 packs of very strong cigarettes and am now vaping 18. Kicked it up to 24 for a day cause I was having some serious ciggie craves and it didn't help. If it was truly nicotine I was craving it seems that would have knocked it out, but it was probably all in my head since the rest of the nasty stuff has been out of my body for almost 60 days. No one said quitting smoking was easy even if you choose to vape!

Say you are only getting a portion of that dose. We all get the occasional juice spill through the mouthpiece as well as a little spillage... Cmon..... Remember there have been reports on this board about the adverse affects of vaping at too high a level. Also rememebr that the nicotine in the cigarette is not the only addictive factor... research has shown that OTHER things in cigarettes help with the addiction which you will not find in an ecig.

 

[I am Nico]

48mg... buzzzzzz

 

[SSRob]

I'm not so much worried about someone vaping it as I am a small amount being ingested. A half a ml of that would kill a child unless it caused vomiting before it could be absorbed by the mouth, throat and stomach.

Still kinda scary... I mean what is next, 90mg?

 

[a2dcovert]

I'm not so much worried about someone vaping it as I am a small amount being ingested. A half a ml of that would kill a child unless it caused vomiting before it could be absorbed by the mouth, throat and stomach.

Still kinda scary... I mean what is next, 90mg?

I agree with that. My problem is that I don't think the current 26mg limits are going to be enough to keep me going. I'm feeling like I have before while trying to quit. I'm still able to find 36mg but for how much longer? I was a 40yr 3 pack per day analog smoker. Problem is how do you handle nicotine at the levels mentioned safely?

K

 

[kinabaloo]

I think the problem is that the vaporizers are not efficient at vaporizing much of the nicotine potential in the liquid. I think they must be geared toward vaporizing PG, not nicotine. Nicotine can be absorbed through the skin easily, and you are correct that 75mg juice would be VERY toxic to handle. Still, I had to switch from 24mg to 36mg to get enough nicotine just from vaping. I think they REALLY need to improve the quality of these devices! If a US corporation did it I think the nicotine content could be much lower because more nicotine would make it into the PG smoke.

It really isn't a matter of quality - the atomiser just boils the liquid - you can do this with a teaspoon and a gas lighter. So the idea that if the atomiser was US made t would be wonderful is just bunk.

However, though the vaping process is in one sense simple, there are a number of factors that could be explored that might bring about improvements. Things like temperature control and juice flow control.

I have wondered before whether part of the deposit on the heater coil could be nicotine - I think that is quite likely and would be quite easy to test (vape/auto-vape a very pure nicotine in PG (leaves no deposit) with a new atomiser and look for a deposit after, say, 5ml). It's one possible explanation for the mismatch between juice nicotine concentration (and expected blood levels) and actual, lower, blood nicotine levels.

Another possibility is that PG and VG hold onto the nicotine rather than letting it be absorbed, as I have also written about before. This would cause both a slower intake (less peaked blood levels, but more sustained), and perhaps also allows some of the nicotine to evaporate away and never get absorbed; perhaps a bit of both. The holding onto nicotine would be much higher with VG.

Perhaps a bit of all 3.

 

[halfevildruid]

swallow 60mg and ur a goner. plain and simple. in pure form of nic that is about 1 drop.

 

[DaMulta]

People freak out about E-Liquid, and I really don't see the need. I have poison in my home that could drop a cow, more or less if a kid got into it. I think it's up to the parents to make sure their kids don't get to it. The same as all the pills their Dr's give them that could kill them if they just took one of them. Not alone chewing a whole bottle of them up.

I have spilled 1/4 bottle of 36Mg on my hands before, and I was out and about at the time. All I could do was wipe it off....leaving Nicotine all over me. I didn't OD, and I didn't even feel anything really. I vapped the whole time after that took place.

Now drinking it? Some one on TW drank about 3-4Ml of it in a drink(prank joke). Didnt feel to great, but didn't die. I have yet to read one case of someone dieing so far. Isn't that odd that no one has died? I bet their is a lot of people that are vapping 48Mg all day everyday just like 36Mg.


I think in the last 7 days I have vapped about 20Ml of 36Mg. That is all day vapping, know that is more than just Nicotine going inside of me. It's all the things listed on this TW bottle of E-Liquid that I have.

Would it not be better if the Nicotine was higher, and say I only vapped 10Ml in a week?

 

[DaBrat]

It really isn't a matter of quality - the atomiser just boils the liquid - you can do this with a teaspoon and a gas lighter. So the idea that if the atomiser was US made t would be wonderful is just bunk.

However, though the vaping process is in one sense simple, there are a number of factors that could be explored that might bring about improvements. Things like temperature control and juice flow control.

I have wondered before whether part of the deposit on the heater coil could be nicotine - I think that is quite likely and would be quite easy to test (vape/auto-vape a very pure nicotine in PG (leaves no deposit) with a new atomiser and look for a deposit after, say, 5ml). It's one possible explanation for the mismatch between juice nicotine concentration (and expected blood levels) and actual, lower, blood nicotine levels.

Another possibility is that PG and VG hold onto the nicotine rather than letting it be absorbed, as I have also written about before. This would cause both a slower intake (less peaked blood levels, but more sustained), and perhaps also allows some of the nicotine to evaporate away and never get absorbed; perhaps a bit of both. The holding onto nicotine would be much higher with VG.

Perhaps a bit of all 3.

If you'll go back to the Ruyan study since the nicotine is absorbed through the mucous membranes of the mouth and throat, nic levels do not peak for twenty minutes with this absorption rate... For me, when I started, I actually vaped almost 20 minutes straight to maximize the nic absoprtion at peak. Now analogs are almost immediate.

 

[DaBrat]

I agree with that. My problem is that I don't think the current 26mg limits are going to be enough to keep me going. I'm feeling like I have before while trying to quit. I'm still able to find 36mg but for how much longer? I was a 40yr 3 pack per day analog smoker. Problem is how do you handle nicotine at the levels mentioned safely?

K

Sorry a2c. I wasa pretty heavy smoker two... Two packs a day of Newports. When I started I kept that morning cig or two with coffe then vaped my brains out all day. Luckily since I work from my home office I don't have restrictions such as breaks and the like and can basically vae at will.

Do you think maybe substituting another nic method through the day and then cutting down on that might help?

 

[DaBrat]

People freak out about E-Liquid, and I really don't see the need. I have poison in my home that could drop a cow, more or less if a kid got into it. I think it's up to the parents to make sure their kids don't get to it. The same as all the pills their Dr's give them that could kill them if they just took one of them. Not alone chewing a whole bottle of them up.

I have spilled 1/4 bottle of 36Mg on my hands before, and I was out and about at the time. All I could do was wipe it off....leaving Nicotine all over me. I didn't OD, and I didn't even feel anything really. I vapped the whole time after that took place.

Now drinking it? Some one on TW drank about 3-4Ml of it in a drink(prank joke). Didnt feel to great, but didn't die. I have yet to read one case of someone dieing so far. Isn't that odd that no one has died? I bet their is a lot of people that are vapping 48Mg all day everyday just like 36Mg.


I think in the last 7 days I have vapped about 20Ml of 36Mg. That is all day vapping, know that is more than just Nicotine going inside of me. It's all the things listed on this TW bottle of E-Liquid that I have.

Would it not be better if the Nicotine was higher, and say I only vapped 10Ml in a week?

While all these things may be true for YOU, the decision going on about the fate of this product is to be far-spread and wide-reaching. You may know how to handle this level of nic, I have no doubt that I would HOWEVER, there have been more examples than I can name about people who have posted to this board over reaching their tolerance levels and winding up with symptons of nic O/D. Is this really something we need alphabet groups arguing before a court? This decision will not be made in a vacuum.

Not sure it vaping 10 ml of 90 a week would be any better than what you are currently vaping. The higher concentrations of nic may have some unforseen consequences that negate any benefit.

 

[SSRob]

Well that is something I whole heartedly agree on in regards to parents teaching their children to stay out of things. I have no fear at all of my kids getting into anything. All three kids know to stay out of stuff that doesn't belong to them or has been put out of reach for a reason. They might get into the playing cards and crap like that from time to time but they really do leave stuff alone.

But the sad truth is, because of the state of the product right now, if it happens once and only once, the media is going to be all over it. This would however go unnoticed if a child drank drano and it killed them.

 

[kinabaloo]

People freak out about E-Liquid, and I really don't see the need. I have poison in my home that could drop a cow, more or less if a kid got into it. I think it's up to the parents to make sure their kids don't get to it. The same as all the pills their Dr's give them that could kill them if they just took one of them. Not alone chewing a whole bottle of them up.

I have spilled 1/4 bottle of 36Mg on my hands before, and I was out and about at the time. All I could do was wipe it off....leaving Nicotine all over me. I didn't OD, and I didn't even feel anything really. I vapped the whole time after that took place.

Now drinking it? Some one on TW drank about 3-4Ml of it in a drink(prank joke). Didnt feel to great, but didn't die. I have yet to read one case of someone dieing so far. Isn't that odd that no one has died? I bet their is a lot of people that are vapping 48Mg all day everyday just like 36Mg.


I think in the last 7 days I have vapped about 20Ml of 36Mg. That is all day vapping, know that is more than just Nicotine going inside of me. It's all the things listed on this TW bottle of E-Liquid that I have.

Would it not be better if the Nicotine was higher, and say I only vapped 10Ml in a week?

Yes, I think for quite a few people, there is a lacking with vaping. I would really like to vape for a few minutes and feel satiated for an hour.

The missing nicotine is a real issue. Sure, one vape stronger juice, but how much better it would be if the juice could be lower and still as effective. May or may not be possible. But first we need to understand the why.

The answer might arise from the fact that smoking analogs is a far calmer/slower way to vaporise the nicotine. Forget the combustion and higher temps for a moment - these produce the toxic tar but the nicotine is vaporised as the heat slowly approaches, not in the fire ...

 

[Vapinginmyboots]

Part of me says WAY TOO HIGH! Our worst nightmare, trust me and a lot of others, is someone having an accident that gets highly publicisized. Personal responsibility, remember, is not personal anymore, it gets 100% shifted to others (unfortunately). We need to be careful me thinks not to ask for too much and have more and more nic to satisfy that demand.

The other part of me says, this would be awesome to cut with PG or VG and get a real value. I would order it if it does come out in a split second, but I WOULDNT vape it straight. No doubt, and REALLY hope nothing bad happens with it in someone elses hands that will end all our nic-quests with our e-cigs.

This is kind of a paradox if you ask me. My 2 cents.

 

[DaBrat]

Yes, I think for quite a few people, there is a lacking with vaping. I would really like to vape for a few minutes and feel satiated for an hour.

The missing nicotine is a real issue. Sure, one vape stronger juice, but how much better it would be if the juice could be lower and still as effective. May or may not be possible. But first we need to understand the why.

The answer might arise from the fact that smoking analogs is a far calmer/slower way to vaporise the nicotine. Forget the combustion and higher temps for a moment - these produce the toxic tar but the nicotine is vaporised as the heat slowly approaches, not in the fire ...

?? Nicotine from analogs reach peak concentrations in about 5 mins at a MUCH higher concentration while the ecig does not reach peak for 15-20 mins. Anologs deliver about 10Xs more nicotine per puff. Its the delivery method that makes the difference. Analogs pass directly though the lungs and into the bloodstream while ecig nic is absorbed by the mucosa much in the way of the inhaler NRT.

 

[dave8944]

This is just too ridiculous!

I live to be denigrated for the privilege of enlightenment!

I'm just speculating, but that's most of what you see here. Please tell me why we should take for granted that the conditions that make for good vapor production from PG makes for good vaporization of nicotine? I was under the impression that the visible vapor comes from PG, not the conversion of nicotine to vapor form. I'm not a chemist, but isn't the product of any reaction of this type going to vary with heat applied (which is not constant) and other variable factors built into the design of these products? Is the objective to simply add as much heat as possible to maximize both reactions and we can just assume the vaporizer does this by design? I'm thinking that's not the case since the heat and amount of air available vary so much when taking a drag.

 

[SSRob]

I'm wondering if this is possibly why some people prefer the higher voltage battery holders? Perhaps the higher temp makes the nicotine more absorbable by the lungs?

 

[DaMulta]

I personally think it's the liver, and some people can pass Nicotine faster than others. People that can hold Nicotine longer, and so can stand to use lower Mg E-Liquid. People that pass it faster need a higher dose of it for it to say in longer before it breaks down.

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