Well, restriction to 30mg if today's amendments stick
On which, let me quote Frogster (the Alchemist) on AAEG:
EU 8th Ocotober 2013 : EU rejected ecigs as medecine !
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Well, restriction to 30mg if today's amendments stick
On which, let me quote Frogster (the Alchemist) on AAEG:
Wow, do you guys really smoke 30mg/ml of nicotine? That must knock your socks off! I'm an 18mg guy myself and I thought that was high!
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Tobacco: larger warnings, flavours banned, e-cigarettes regulated
E-cigarettes
E-cigarettes should be regulated, but not be subject to the same rules as medicinal products unless they are presented as having curative or preventive properties. Those for which no such claims are made should contain no more than 30mg/ml of nicotine, should carry health warnings and should not be sold to anyone under 18 years old. Manufacturers and importers would also have to supply the competent authorities with a list of all the ingredients that they contain. Finally, e-cigarettes would be subject to the same advertising restrictions as tobacco products.
If this description of the new EU e-cig regulation is accurate, the ban on many/most e-cig ads will likely slow down the surging growth in e-cig sales/consumption by smokers, and some "health warnings" on e-cigs might deceive consumers (like mandated smokeless tobacco warnings in the US). But otherwise, the described regulations appear reasonable and responsible.
E-cigarettes
E-cigarettes should be regulated, but not be subject to the same rules as medicinal products unless they are presented as having curative or preventive properties. Those for which no such claims are made should contain no more than 30mg/ml of nicotine, should carry health warnings and should not be sold to anyone under 18 years old. Manufacturers and importers would also have to supply the competent authorities with a list of all the ingredients that they contain. Finally, e-cigarettes would be subject to the same advertising restrictions as tobacco products.
If this description of the new EU e-cig regulation is accurate, the ban on many/most e-cig ads will likely slow down the surging growth in e-cig sales/consumption by smokers, and some "health warnings" on e-cigs might deceive consumers (like mandated smokeless tobacco warnings in the US). But otherwise, the described regulations appear reasonable and responsible.
It does seem that the message about e cigs is slowly getting through. Common sense as well. Bbc breakfast had a little section about e cigs. Not a bad one either. It boils my blood when the scare mongers go on about exploding batteries and kids using them. I good have a rant but back on topic, today was a good (ish) day for vaping. Btw did I here right, news on radio while driving, that they're are banning menthol cigarettes? Never like them when smoking but a few of my pals still use them.
Restricting ads will slow down growth, but it won't stop it in my opinion. At least here in the Philippines, every smoker knows another smoker, so it follows every vaper knows another smoker. Most people who vape here do tell their friends who smoke to at least try vaping as a safer alternative. And vaping is catching steam over here, despite the lack of any advertising whatsoever.
Word of mouth will still create a snow-ball for PVs. At least now, it'll remain as accessible for you guys in EU which is a good thing.
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Yes it's one smoker at a time. I am staying with friends in the US and we went to a dog show and there was a Vape Shop nearby, Crazy Vapes in Augusta. I had never been in a shop before, bought everything online, so my wife and friends came too. Just being in the shop my friends wife and MY WIFE both bought kits and juice. I have yet to see if they both stick with it but that was two converts without anybody trying.
I vape 24mg, but I buy 36mg and dilute it down. At 30mg, I can still manage no problem.
Vapers vs BT, BP & Eurocrats isn't a recipe for success, so I'm amazed we didn't get utterly hammered. Especially with the money BT have poured into this. (I heard that 1/3 of MEPs had been contacted by BT lobbyists before the vote, no doubt all armed with suitcases full of cash).
We won.... sort of. Who'da thunk it?
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PS Yes, the TV coverage has been quite positive. Both the BBC and France 24 presented vaping in a reasonably sensible way today.
uhm....
1. we do not "smoke", we vape. BIG difference
2. I vape 18 mg/ml nic as well - but I mix my own liquids, using 36 mg base and 0 mg base 50/50. Yeah, that would work with 30 mg base as well.. but the math is more difficult
And thank you, Uma!
Yes, we are very happy! Of course, where there is a demand, there is a market
- but I am happy that I do not have to go that route....
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Fortunately the warning is going to be “This product is intended for use by existing smokers. It contains nicotine which is a highly addictive substance”.which isn't too bad. The 30mg limit is not that bad unless you DIY, though it restricts the small few who need 35 or 45 to licences medical products. We don't know if any such mythical beast exists.
Advertising restrictions replicating tobacco products is a fail for public health and will sloe down the progress of smokers to vapers.
This now goes to the council of ministers and may have some room for negotiation but bear in mind that the council is made up of the health ministers all of whom are adamantly pro medicalization and will seek to now treat ecigs as smoking.
As we say here in Ireland..FIGHT!
I saw that little bit about ecigs on the bbc this morning too. Happy to see the media listening to our side now too, someone really needs to give the daily mail a slap.
Unfortunately I've heard uk are still going to regulate them as medicines in 2016, but who knows, we might change a few mislead opinions, get some solid evidence and maybe a semi competent government by then.
Unfortunately I've heard uk are still going to regulate them as medicines in 2016, but who knows, we might change a few mislead opinions, get some solid evidence and maybe a semi competent government by then.
YAY!! Congrats to all of you in the EU!
It gives me hope for our future! Maybe with this news our news media will start showing more positive things.
I hope, I hope, I hope!
Join CASAA and have a voice for vaping.
It gives me hope for our future! Maybe with this news our news media will start showing more positive things.
I hope, I hope, I hope! Join CASAA and have a voice for vaping.
Sounds like great news - but I have a question.
The Smoketastic blog (The EU Parliament Vote Saves The E Cigarette - SmokeTastic - Electronic Cigarette Review Blog) quoted what they said was a main point from Amendment 170...
"Manufacturers and importers of nicotine-containing products submit to the competent authorities a list of all ingredients contained in and emissions resulting from the use of the product, by brand name and type, including quantities thereof, as well as any changes. Member States shall then ensure the dissemination of this information on a website with due regard to the protection of trade secrets. Manufacturers and importers shall also report to the authorities about national sales volumes by brand name and type."
(bolding/italics mine)
How would this affect small ejuice vendors? My favorite ejuices come from two small companies (individuals). I'm sure they could provide a list of ingredients but this whole 'emissions' thing has me concerned.
The Smoketastic blog (The EU Parliament Vote Saves The E Cigarette - SmokeTastic - Electronic Cigarette Review Blog) quoted what they said was a main point from Amendment 170...
"Manufacturers and importers of nicotine-containing products submit to the competent authorities a list of all ingredients contained in and emissions resulting from the use of the product, by brand name and type, including quantities thereof, as well as any changes. Member States shall then ensure the dissemination of this information on a website with due regard to the protection of trade secrets. Manufacturers and importers shall also report to the authorities about national sales volumes by brand name and type."
(bolding/italics mine)
How would this affect small ejuice vendors? My favorite ejuices come from two small companies (individuals). I'm sure they could provide a list of ingredients but this whole 'emissions' thing has me concerned.
We're bound to implement EU directives, but we're not bound to making that the whole of our law. On the other hand, to implement contradictory laws can be challenged at EU level on free trade grounds (which, after all, is what the EU is all about).
Witness the piece in The Guardian:
Menthol cigarettes to be banned by EU | Society | theguardian.com
Yeah, good to know that every now an then, common sense does prevail despite the open secret that lobbyists from Big Pharma and Big Tobacco were hard at work....
Now they have to hammer out the little stick ugly details with all the national governments, then the whole shebang end up as an EU directive, after which gives another two for member states to adopt it ino national legislation. Thos politically more active in that area and more in the know about the internal machinery figure that we'd be able to vape fairly unmolested and well-supplied till 2016 ...
But let's keep an eye on things - some politicos are a pretty sneaky lot and bear watching...
Now they have to hammer out the little stick ugly details with all the national governments, then the whole shebang end up as an EU directive, after which gives another two for member states to adopt it ino national legislation. Thos politically more active in that area and more in the know about the internal machinery figure that we'd be able to vape fairly unmolested and well-supplied till 2016 ...
But let's keep an eye on things - some politicos are a pretty sneaky lot and bear watching...
Yes and so the UK's proposals to treat e-cigs as medicines is torpedoed today!
Splendid - the entire proposal was ill-thought out in the first place.
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