A dow chemical post i found

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We need to create a dialog with DOW and show them the "light".

As skoony mentioned, Dow's statements I believe are More About PR then they are About Health and Science.

I really Can't Faulty Dow for not wanting to Supply the current, Unregulated e-liquid Market.
 

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Or they want to keep their BG and BP contracts.

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I think Dow's Main Concern would be Legal Liability.

Dow has Very Deep Pockets. And in a Unregulated Market, people Ingesting your Products is the Kind Of stuff that makes Personal Injury Lawyers Salivate.

And Corporate Lawyers Cringe.
 

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I think Dow's Main Concern would be Legal Liability.

Dow has Very Deep Pockets. And in a Unregulated Market, people Ingesting your Products is the Kind Of stuff that makes Personal Injury Lawyers Salivate.

And Corporate Lawyers Cringe.


And politicians and the idiots that support them.
 

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I think Dow's Main Concern would be Legal Liability.

Dow has Very Deep Pockets. And in a Unregulated Market, people Ingesting your Products is the Kind Of stuff that makes Personal Injury Lawyers Salivate.

And Corporate Lawyers Cringe.

That's not how corporate liability works. Just like gun manufacturers, Dow is not legally responsible for what their clients do with their products.

I'm fairly convinced Dow's position stems from either pressure from BP, BG, and/or TCI blackmail, or the actions of a few ANTZ operatives who have infiltrated positions of authority within the company.
 

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That's not how corporate liability works. Just like gun manufacturers, Dow is not legally responsible for what their clients do with their products.

I'm fairly convinced Dow's position stems from either pressure from BP, BG, and/or TCI blackmail, or the actions of a few ANTZ operatives who have infiltrated positions of authority within the company.

So you do Not believe that If I Vape Dow PG or VG and I comedown with an Illness, that I Can Not file a Lawsuit against Dow? Even if it is Unmerited?

BTW - I'm Not saying that Dow's ties to BP or Public Image did not play a role in Dow's Market Decision.
 

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It says:

«courts have been reluctant to apply pure product liability tenets to situations in which intentional criminal conduct is at issue. In the alternative, it is far more probable that a gun owner, seller, or dealer has neglected to keep weapons from users who are inexperienced or underage, or who may have criminal proclivities. These latter bases of liability are not properly asserted under the realm of product liability law.»
 

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It says:

«courts have been reluctant to apply pure product liability tenets to situations in which intentional criminal conduct is at issue. In the alternative, it is far more probable that a gun owner, seller, or dealer has neglected to keep weapons from users who are inexperienced or underage, or who may have criminal proclivities. These latter bases of liability are not properly asserted under the realm of product liability law.»

It does.

And it is hard to argue that Firearms do Not pose a Clear and Present Danger in and of themselves.

I wonder if the Same can be said for PG and VG?

So the Question I guess becomes can I Sue Dow if I use their PG or VG and then at a Latter Date come down with some Illness or Die Prematurely?

I believe that there are Plenty of Lawyers who would Argue that you Can.

But this is just My Personal Opinion.
 

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In the US, You can sue anyone for anything at any time. This does not guarantee you'll win. In fact, chances are your lawsuit would be dismissed and you'd be saddled with a hefty legal bill.

This is True.

It is Also true that US Companies pay out Big Money every year in Nuisance Settlements to Individuals and their Lawyers to Drop Lawsuits that the Companies Know they can Win.

The Long and the Short of it is Dow does Not have to Knowingly Sell it's Products to the e-Cigarette Market.

For Whatever Reason, Dow has decided Not to. I like to think that Not Every decision that a Company makes is Driven by the ANTZ of the world.

But if People want to see it that way, that's Cool. They might be Right.
 

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Under the common law doctrine of strict product liability as adopted in most U.S. states, a seller can be held liable if its product is unreasonably dangerous when put to a reasonably foreseeable use, a user puts the product to a reasonably foreseeable use, and the user is harmed as a direct and proximate result of the unreasonable danger. It's call "strict" because liability can be established without proof of negligence. The doctrine also affords a remedy if the seller has failed to provide adequate warnings and a user is harmed as a result.

It is conceivable, although highly unlikely, that 20 or 30 years from now long-term inhalation of PG in combination with certain other e-liquid ingredients might be shown to be significantly harmful. This could result in class action litigation similar to asbestosis and mesothelioma litigation which has bankrupted scores of companies and has cost tens of billions of dollars. Dow has gross sales of over $57 billion per year. Dow Chemical doesn't need to sell PG to e-liquid purveyors. They may have made a business decision that the market isn't sufficiently lucrative to justify any risk, however slight, especially considering the millions of dollars it would cost to defend major class action litigation, even if they were to ultimately prevail. Also, they probably do not wish to invite criticism and disapproval from the likes of Jay Rockefeller and Dianne Feinstein.
 
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