I have no idea where your figures are from, but they sound optimistic
New estimates double size of US e-cigarette market; increasing importance of refillable and modified devices. - Nicotine Science and Policy
Where do you get 0.0002% from?
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A girl and a reo walk into a vape shop
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I have no idea where your figures are from, but they sound optimistic
New estimates double size of US e-cigarette market; increasing importance of refillable and modified devices. - Nicotine Science and Policy
Where do you get 0.0002% from?
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Actually if Rob makes 1m a year (I really don't think he does). If the market is 2b a year .05% of the market share should be the correct figure.
True ..... and making 1 mil a year and doing 1 mil a year in sales is very very different.
I have no idea how much Rob is doing in sales I was just guessing to provide numbers (though wrong numbers
).But it only takes 14 sales @ 200.00 per day to reach over 1 million in sales. Thats not unreasonable.
What ever Rob earns he deserves more as far as I'm concerned .... The guy works too hard and is too nice to everyone.
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I concur completely. Rob deserves much more than whatever he gets. But at .05 of the market share it makes this mod not worthy of cloning. And I for one am glad. Lets keep this in Maine where it belongs and the money going to where it belongs also. Even though its less than I think he deserves.
Go ahead and buy her one now. My wife had ZERO interest in mechs, rdas, or anything else besides her MVP and protank with stock coils. Then I got my Reo and we happened to both be vaping the same juice. She hit hers then tried my Reo to show me there wasn't that big a difference like I claimed. 5 seconds later it's "buy me one now!!". Now you couldn't pry it out of her hands.
I stopped into a new vape store one day just to see what they had. They asked me what kind of equipment I used, so I pulled my REO out of my pocket and showed them. Blank stare. Then they told me they sold them at their store on the other end of town. Yeah, right.
I've shown off Reos at every B&M I've been into and everyone has loved them. A few had never seen one, others said they love them and wished they could sell them but their market wouldn't support the cost, and a few others had me guide them to Rob's site for more info. Really hope a few pick them up and offer them, would be great for Rob and great for the local vapers too.
Hey, they don't flash, they don't beep, they don't recharge on board, they don't have digital displays, and they don't have bluetooth...but what they DO better than anything else is "kick AYYY YASSS" as Drifter would say.
Hey, they don't flash, they don't beep, they don't recharge on board, they don't have digital displays, and they don't have bluetooth...but what they DO better than anything else is "kick AYYY YASSS" as Drifter would say.
Interesting to find this thread now...I was in Amsterdam a couple weeks back and came across a B&M near the red-light district...I was vaping away on my copper vein/brass button grand looking at their gear (the standard fair of Innokin and Joyetech stuff as well as a interesting collection of clone mech tubes and RDA's) when one of the store guys walks up to me and in his best english says he's never seen a Reo in person (called it by name) and if he could look at it...he pulled an orange M7 Sunbox (which I had never seen before) with some strange air controlled thing with an Ikenvape 510 (he was proud of that) out of his pocket for me to check out.
He grabbed a dt and took it for a test drive...the .5 duals on the torched Atomic and S/O mech switch of the Grand kinda blew his mind...you could tell he liked the heft and finish of the Grand and he really liked the top button...then to my surprise he asked if I'd trade straight up for his Sunbox set-up (he went on to add 4 new 510's and 2 pairs of Efests before I finally insisted it was no deal)...I had to admit though, the Sunbox was cool (even if it was orange) and well machined but if you've ever built a mod, you've seen that switch before, it's a 3A flush-mount e bay special that would last a sub-ohm'er a week at best.
So if Rob get's an order from Amsterdam in the next while I want my commission
He grabbed a dt and took it for a test drive...the .5 duals on the torched Atomic and S/O mech switch of the Grand kinda blew his mind...you could tell he liked the heft and finish of the Grand and he really liked the top button...then to my surprise he asked if I'd trade straight up for his Sunbox set-up (he went on to add 4 new 510's and 2 pairs of Efests before I finally insisted it was no deal)...I had to admit though, the Sunbox was cool (even if it was orange) and well machined but if you've ever built a mod, you've seen that switch before, it's a 3A flush-mount e bay special that would last a sub-ohm'er a week at best.
So if Rob get's an order from Amsterdam in the next while I want my commission
True ..... and making 1 mil a year and doing 1 mil a year in sales is very very different.
I have no idea how much Rob is doing in sales I was just guessing to provide numbers (though wrong numbers
But it only takes 14 sales @ 200.00 per day to reach over 1 million in sales. Thats not unreasonable.
What ever Rob earns he deserves more as far as I'm concerned .... The guy works too hard and is too nice to everyone.
It's bad enough you are trying to turn Rob into a millionaire. Now it sounds like you are advocating we should all get a price increase and expect the charm of a Donald Trump personality to go with the experience. Ick.
We have a few vape shops like that around here. It's weird. There will be 4-5 employees and at least 3-4 "regulars" lounging around going behind the counter and in back of the shop, basically they are unpaid employees... and with all that there will be like 2 customers and it will still take 1/2 hour to go in buy some juice and get out without getting the latest ego starter kit pushed on you more than 8 times. Doesn't matter what setup you are vaping they have a overpriced import they say is better.
It's night and day to when you get a shop where people know what they are doing, but then you run the danger of the elitist shop. You want a nautilus mini? Dude! That doesn't even sub-ohm. Go big or go home. 20 gauge nichrome baahitches! Sorry we don't carry any batteries smaller than 18650... .and these days.. what is that 20 watts, paaaaaalease! My dog vapes 30 watts and he's a ....zu... We've got 100 watts, 150 watts, cheap 50 watt'ers and if you are a wimp we have DNA 30s, but we only sell those to people we hate. Here check out this dual 26650 box mod.... yeah first slip the shoulder strap on and clip it to the side of the mod.....
Anyways, I envy all you that have a local B&M that are ran by people who vape and encourage all kinds of vaping from beginners who just want to quit smoking to cloud blowers who see it as more of a sport than a stop-smoking tool. None of the vape shops in my town seem to feel that way. The closest I've came was a shop that had a couple of nice guys as employees, but the overall shop catered to the elite and if one of the two weren't working when I go in it's just as bad as all the others. If I don't want to buy their $45 for 30ml juice or tell them their $350 mod is a little too expensive for my budget, I get offered an iTaste MVP "kit" for $80....and then ignored.
Needless to say I only visit B&M shops as an emergency... and even then the chance of them having what I'm needing is pretty slim. If internet sales get uber restricted or banned, then I'm stocking up with juice, kanthal and batteries to last me the next 5-10 years. I'm sure something else will be around by then, or I'll have weaned myself completely off nicotine by then. The nice thing is that I won't have to worry about my Reo Grands.... they will still be chugging along.
(that reminds me, better get 4-5 rebuild kits just in case)Ken
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Maybe a little off topic but on the subject of B&M's...like Co. here in Wa. another product has recently been made legal to sell in shops... and these shops are popping up like mushrooms...5 mins from my house (which is in the boonies) a shop opened across from my local grocery store so I had to check it out... nice guys behind the counter... lots of tattoos and metal embedded in their faces and off to the side of their shop there was a showcase dedicated to e cig gear...ego batts and bottom wick tanks like Kangers and Vivi's and such... So I asked if they where doing the whole hybrid shop thing and they said no... turns out a buddy of theirs has figured out how to modify the wicks to work with a "special" oil they developed...next they plan on having flavours...
I walked out of there with a sick feeling in my stomach...don't get me wrong, I take no issue with what is now legal in Wa., but if that method becomes hip and mainstream everywhere, the e cig haters will have a whole new platform to scare people to death with...can't you just see the Fox New story on this one?...is this what our kids are "actually" doing?, e cigs will be legislated out of existence faster than you can blink.
I walked out of there with a sick feeling in my stomach...don't get me wrong, I take no issue with what is now legal in Wa., but if that method becomes hip and mainstream everywhere, the e cig haters will have a whole new platform to scare people to death with...can't you just see the Fox New story on this one?...is this what our kids are "actually" doing?, e cigs will be legislated out of existence faster than you can blink.
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I hear the same type of argument between people who are *loyal* to a certain brand, make or model of motor vehicles.
Unfortunately, I remember back in 70s when there were these "human potential movements" that had seminars, like *EST*. I think they also called it large group awareness training. Does anyone remember that stuff? There were others, but suffice to say, people who took "the training" --- ..........became very uh...... Messianic. They would bother you to death that you just had to go *do* or *get* this or that thing, because you "didn't know what you were missing out on. "
Ever since that kinda stuff, I have AVOIDED any kind of enterprise that required that I think or act like that.
I hope this makes sense to somebody.
I'm not against anything that helps anyone, don't get me wrong. But I think everyone has to find their own solutions....and we learn that is not same for everyone.
I see the same thing going on in the ecig industry..heck, look, it's just a tool. A vehicle. Like a car or truck Pick something you like, but don't expect that the ENTIRE WORLD is somehow missing out because they aren't using the tool you use, or driving the vehicle you drive.
I prefer REOs, I think Robert is wonderful, probably has the best customer service in the biz, and this mod is a stroke of genius.
BUT.....I think that when something causes us to call other people names, to call them *stupid*, ignorant, etc..... then whatever good intentions we started out with are dashed and have fallen by the wayside.
Having a certain PV doesn't make anyone a smarter, kinder, better person. The competitiveness of this just doesn't make sense to me I guess?
And salesmen are just trying to put food on the table. I keep up with the vaping scene, but to be honest, it is moving very quickly, sometimes I look in classies and don't even know what some of the stuff is. Vape shops get what their distributors send and also what they think they can SELL........and sell a lot of. THAT is what puts food on the table. Not high end mods $500+ that maybe one a month sells.
AFAIK, Robert doesn't seem to want, or have, agreements with B&Ms to put REOs in all the vape shops, I guess if he did more people would know about them and they would be selling in the B&Ms.
Then he would have to turn into a wholesaler like vapage or something........whole different business model.
From what I can see REO is a sort o "cottage industry"..............not everyone WANTS to build out an industrial park and manufacture their mods in the millions...............lots of headaches.
Interestingly, Robert has never struck me as really a sales person. I believe that is why I like him. He really doesn't push REOs on anyone, never has. Just works very hard, making them, and then getting them out to his customers who DO want them. He is never the least bit offended if somebody doesn't want one, or doesn't want to keep the one they bought.
It has always seemed to me that this particular mod maker himself would be the very last person having any kind of "my stuff is better" conversation in a B&M or anywhere else......even with one of us...........just not his style.
Therein lies a rather Zen concept.......perhaps a study in what makes things work in the Universe.
Unfortunately, I remember back in 70s when there were these "human potential movements" that had seminars, like *EST*. I think they also called it large group awareness training. Does anyone remember that stuff? There were others, but suffice to say, people who took "the training" --- ..........became very uh...... Messianic. They would bother you to death that you just had to go *do* or *get* this or that thing, because you "didn't know what you were missing out on. "
Ever since that kinda stuff, I have AVOIDED any kind of enterprise that required that I think or act like that.
I hope this makes sense to somebody.
I'm not against anything that helps anyone, don't get me wrong. But I think everyone has to find their own solutions....and we learn that is not same for everyone. I see the same thing going on in the ecig industry..heck, look, it's just a tool. A vehicle. Like a car or truck Pick something you like, but don't expect that the ENTIRE WORLD is somehow missing out because they aren't using the tool you use, or driving the vehicle you drive.
I prefer REOs, I think Robert is wonderful, probably has the best customer service in the biz, and this mod is a stroke of genius.
BUT.....I think that when something causes us to call other people names, to call them *stupid*, ignorant, etc..... then whatever good intentions we started out with are dashed and have fallen by the wayside.
Having a certain PV doesn't make anyone a smarter, kinder, better person. The competitiveness of this just doesn't make sense to me I guess?
And salesmen are just trying to put food on the table. I keep up with the vaping scene, but to be honest, it is moving very quickly, sometimes I look in classies and don't even know what some of the stuff is. Vape shops get what their distributors send and also what they think they can SELL........and sell a lot of. THAT is what puts food on the table. Not high end mods $500+ that maybe one a month sells.
AFAIK, Robert doesn't seem to want, or have, agreements with B&Ms to put REOs in all the vape shops, I guess if he did more people would know about them and they would be selling in the B&Ms.
Then he would have to turn into a wholesaler like vapage or something........whole different business model.
From what I can see REO is a sort o "cottage industry"..............not everyone WANTS to build out an industrial park and manufacture their mods in the millions...............lots of headaches.
Interestingly, Robert has never struck me as really a sales person. I believe that is why I like him. He really doesn't push REOs on anyone, never has. Just works very hard, making them, and then getting them out to his customers who DO want them.
He is never the least bit offended if somebody doesn't want one, or doesn't want to keep the one they bought.It has always seemed to me that this particular mod maker himself would be the very last person having any kind of "my stuff is better" conversation in a B&M or anywhere else......even with one of us...........just not his style.
Therein lies a rather Zen concept.......perhaps a study in what makes things work in the Universe.
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That's weird, you need a new B&M. Every time I walk into the two in town that I'll actually buy anything from they are fascinated with the REO, they all want to hold it and see how it works and then show everyone else in the store (usually discretely because of course they don't sell REOs). In fact I get a whole new level of respect just walking in with the thing. Prior to Ms. REO as a female I got some really shoddy treatment up to and including basically telling me a MVP v2 was too much for me to handle why didn't I buy a Spinner? LOL
B+M's are good in a quick fix sort of way. You need something desperately. Other than that, they are the Guitar Center for Musicians. Never have anything you need or want and primarily cater to noobs that don't know any better than to keep buying replaceable coils every other day.
i am not a fan of any Reo mods. However, as a business trying to make money wouldnt you have offered her some accessories or a new tank or RDA for her Reo. Never insult the customer or their choices.
This is so funny! Of course since I ordered my first Reo I've been absolutely dedicated. A friend of mine just emailed me an ad about that "flask" mod. I just tried to politely sound intrested, and again suggested that she got a Reo!
Catering to that quick fix, when you are trying to save a life by getting off the stinkies, is worth a LOT, isn't it?
....and "noobs" are the life-blood of the entire vaping industry.
Every person who puts down the smokes is a success story...isn't that what it is all about?
Staying off the cigs has always been the "mission" of vaping........whether that is a gas station disposable or a $500 PV.
The "my PV is better than your PV" era is disappointing IMHO. I don't mind saying how much I like certain vape gear, though, as long as it doesn't denigrate anyone else's choices.
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The thing is...and I get why this is a disturbing trend for lawmakers and anti-smoking advocates...I have two 20-something stepsons, both have friends that have jumped on the vaping thing, one in a big way (typical punk ..... mall-rat cloud chaser)...none of them have ever smoked an analogue in their lives...it's just the latest kick that's making the rounds and will ultimately kill it for the rest of us.
edit:...kinda missed part of my point...for the punk cloud chasers, it's definitely all about "my gear rocks, your's sucks and by extension, if you don't use what I use you suck"...I remember a conversation I had with this kid once about my love for bf's and why (I kinda think a know what I'm talking about?)...he didn't care, Rip Tripper on YT doesn't use them...if they're sooo good, Rip would sell (er, sorry "review") them...there's absolutely no point engaging in a discussion with peeps like that...moral of the story, kids are dumb
edit:...kinda missed part of my point...for the punk cloud chasers, it's definitely all about "my gear rocks, your's sucks and by extension, if you don't use what I use you suck"...I remember a conversation I had with this kid once about my love for bf's and why (I kinda think a know what I'm talking about?)...he didn't care, Rip Tripper on YT doesn't use them...if they're sooo good, Rip would sell (er, sorry "review") them...there's absolutely no point engaging in a discussion with peeps like that...moral of the story, kids are dumb
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