A Good Read from the Electronic Cigarette Consumer Association UK

[Esharp]

A great read for those who are interested. A little bit about the fight for e-cigs and the EU.

How the EU Kills Thousands

 

[Berylanna]

So, I decided one faster way to fight this is with faster-to-understand cartoons. So I made my first one, about Snus, and posted it on 2 snus forums. 3-4 people said "ha ha funny" but...to have impact I think this (or a better one, if someone can get an actual artist involved!) to go viral in Europe.

Does anybody know anyone in Europe who can get this (or a better one) placed where people will actually SEE it? Should I join a European forum and try to PM this to someone? I tried to PM Rolygate here in ECF and he/she is blocked from PM.

This is what I mean (I have not figured out how to get it to show here without clicking on it, so if someone wants to tell me that, that would also be good.)

The Borg Attack Sweden

(Edit: this is actually not off-topic for this thread: the Borg in the cartoon wants to fix Sweden's "unfairly low death rate.)

Notice Borg on this page:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecca-uk/379253-eu-tpd-meeting-feb-25th.html#post8586163

 

[Projectguy]

The other reason for not promoting smokeless is for population control

 

[BobAgainstApples]

Capitalism requires population growth, it is really a matter of eliminating the expensive non-producers specifically.

 

[Projectguy]

Capitalism requires population growth, it is really a matter of eliminating the expensive non-producers specifically.

I agree with the sentiment but disagree with the proposition. The required growth is not in the population it is in the consumption.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Great article. Thanks for posting the link.

 

[BobAgainstApples]

The required growth is not in the population it is in the consumption.

Okay, technically you are correct that growth in consumption is all that is required to sustain the system, however, our rulers have been shifting the tax burden to the working class, while they have hoarded the full benefit of productivity gains over the past 35 years. They have extended credit to workers instead of their share of these productivity gains. To expect any significant growth in consumption from a smaller population under these conditions is not realistic.

 

[Berylanna]

Okay, technically you are correct that growth in consumption is all that is required to sustain the system, however, our rulers have been shifting the tax burden to the working class, while they have hoarded the full benefit of productivity gains over the past 35 years. They have extended credit to workers instead of their share of these productivity gains. To expect any significant growth in consumption from a smaller population under these conditions is not realistic.

That is why some economist at some big publication (I forget which) likened America's business practices to "winning a hand of poker on the Titanic."
Each individual company benefits by cutting their own labor costs while wishing the others do not, so there can be consumers. It is much like the mathematical model (called "game") "The Tragedy of the Commons" -- which Libertarians use to argue there should be no commons. That ignores the planet, the air, the economy, and the point of the mathematical model in favor of a semantic argument. (Half my friends are liberals, the other half libertarians. Fortunately, we all like Science Fiction and coffee.......)

 

[Projectguy]

Okay, technically you are correct that growth in consumption is all that is required to sustain the system, however, our rulers have been shifting the tax burden to the working class, while they have hoarded the full benefit of productivity gains over the past 35 years. They have extended credit to workers instead of their share of these productivity gains. To expect any significant growth in consumption from a smaller population under these conditions is not realistic.

Agreed provided you include the "middle class" in your definition of the "working class"

 

[Fiamma]

A great read for those who are interested. A little bit about the fight for e-cigs and the EU.

How the EU Kills Thousands

Excellent and truthful article. Wonder if roly wrote it.

 

[BobAgainstApples]

Agreed provided you include the "middle class" in your definition of the "working class"

Yes, the majority of the middle class are working class though I am not a fan of the term as it tends to define class by income rather than ones relationship to the means of production, which is much more informative. For example, an auto worker who makes $75K and a Walmart worker who makes $20K are both working class, however, they are not both middle class. The term middle class tends to divide workers and obscure the reality that neither have control over the means of production and are dependent on the class that does for their livelihood. Somebody wrote a little pamphlet and then a really large book about it 150 years ago. Made quite a stir.