a million questions need answers please?

[cowbooger88]

This world much for me! So, I bought a mystart 650 in december, from Buy Electronic Cigarettes Online Locally| Buy E Cigarettes Online USA, (i actually got from the store but this gives reference to equipment im using) I started off with the 18mg, but off the bat had migraines, I wasn't smoking analogs, but pushed through for about 2 days, Found a few cigarettes and My Habit Was back. I put down the ecig, but pushes from my boyfriend and I tried it again, but the migraines came back. (I was smoking a pack a day+ or - full flavor malboro menthol) my throat started hurting and I got strep. ..the ecig killed my throat and down it went (even though just days after putting down I had finally gotten my ejuice order or 12mg from Zeus juice) well as luck would have it I went broke and got back on the ecig. Almost a full week analog free! Here's my problems:
I still have headaches, not as bad (idk ratio of pg vs vg in ecigcharleston.com juice but zeus ejuice is 60P/40v) I don't really like a strong th and not looking for one.
I'm getting kind of nauseous. No hiccups no heartburn, just a general uneasy feeling. Drinking water and putting ecig down doesn't seem to help.
Would it be too soon to drop to 6mg? I would probably vape more, which I'm ok with. I'm not 100% how much I'm vaping now, but my tank holds 1.6 ml and I fill it back when I hit .8 maybe once a day, but my aspire tank has no measurements so I may be vaping more. I only fill it once a day.
I'm looking at getting a revolver battery (like the vision) I'm just not sure if it's what I need, or what it does other then giving a steady puff rather then a weakening one. Now that I've been a week off analogs I'd like to keep going, but I'm lost and would love help!
I might not even be clear on what I need help with. But if anyone has answers it'd be great!

 

[Merf]

Sounds like your going through withdrawal from analogs.

 

[Naturesbeast]

Lol yes.....

 

[cowbooger88]

I hope that's all it is! This is frustrating, if I ask my step mom for help (who really pushed me towards this) she says I'm doing everything wrong. I just don't know what I should be on with nicotine level, I'm ordering more Friday and trying to figure it out.

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[ckquatt]

If you're not getting the hiccups and such it may not be the nicotine. If you were smoking full Marlboro menthol I would say the nic is fine, or even low. I smoked a pack and a half a day Marlboro lights and I started and am still using 18 mg. Maybe your body doesn't like PG or another ingredient in the juice. Try a 100% VG juice and see if the uneasy feelings go away.

Withdrawal seems like a good answer as well.
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[cowbooger88]

Thanks! I'll try that, does it gum up the equipment? I can order in anyway I want from where I get it online

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It may seem like I'm already on a low nic level, but I almost never finished a full cig. I smoked alot. Like every 30 min or so but never actually finished it. Usually when I use like nicorete I'm using the lowest dose and quit using it within a few days (i use the lozenges and when they hurt my mouth I quit using them, I usually quit for a while but work or boyfriend stresses me out and I get cigs. Which is why I'm trying the ecig

 

[ckquatt]

I always put 2 drops of distilled water in my 3ml tank. Thins it perfectly for my protank heads to vape with no dry hits.

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[RoseB]

Hello Sorry you're having so much trouble. That is never fun. The lower nicotine might be worth a try. PG really messes with my throat. I did 20PG/80VG for a long time, and now it 100% VG. Lower PG might also help with the headaches. If you do drop down on the nicotine, maybe try to keep some high mg nicotine ob hand just in case. That's always a good idea when first starting.

 

[cowbooger88]

Hello Sorry you're having so much trouble. That is never fun. The lower nicotine might be worth a try. PG really messes with my throat. I did 20PG/80VG for a long time, and now it 100% VG. Lower PG might also help with the headaches. If you do drop down on the nicotine, maybe try to keep some high mg nicotine ob hand just in case. That's always a good idea when first starting.

That's what I planned. I still have some 18mg just in case, but so far haven't even had to use it. Like I said I'm only topping my tank off one time a day. I found flavors I love and thinking about ordering 6mg and a few 12s to be safe. I'll Def try the lower pg, there were so many choices on how to split it I had no idea how to do it haha. I'm still learning. Although today someone lit up in front of me and I couldn't help the "oh my god that smells so good" it took alot to not ask for a hit, but I held my own

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[ckquatt]

Give it another week or two and it'll turn into. " OMG that smells horrendous!!"

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[cowbooger88]

Haha it was like that within 2 days last time I just did the ecig, I'm actually surprised it smelled good! Can I add that while mindlessly vaping for maybe 20 minutes I realize I'm back to being a bit nauseous? Idk what's doing it!

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[Harley0227]

Congrats on quitting!!!! I started with the 24mg nicotinge, and withing a few days dropped to 18 due to nausea and headaches. I use 60/40 pg/vg juice from a local retailer that will custom mix juices. Maybe the lower nic level will help you, and I know its tough, but Im 13 days smoke free now, and feel great, and actually notice the "smell" of other smokers and think to myself....."Dang...thats what I USED to smell like????". I am so much happier now, and my wife is glad I quit too!! Keep at it, and never give up!!!!

 

[cowbooger88]

Oddly, when I was smoking analogs I could still smell when somebody was smoking I couldn't smoke inside a building the smell made me nauseous and I hated to smell like it. Lol, so it's nice that's gone. I'm just not able to handle the nausea. I had morning sickness 9 months that was bad enough! Lol. I'm willing to try anything at this point. Congrats on 13 days! My asst mgr is helping me out. We have inventory (which is what ended my 6 month cold turkey streak) and she's been on the ecig since november. So she's been a help. But she is at 11mg and has no problems. I know headaches and nausea can be part of withdrawl but I'm ok until I start vaping so it confuses me

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[ElConquistador]

Well, I guess if you try the 6 mg and it still makes you sick, it's probably not the nicotine level. I'm sure it's frustrating and hope you get it figured out.

 

[cowbooger88]

Would that points towards a pg sensitivity?

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[Ryedan]

This world much for me! So, I bought a mystart 650 in december, from Buy Electronic Cigarettes Online Locally| Buy E Cigarettes Online USA, (i actually got from the store but this gives reference to equipment im using) I started off with the 18mg, but off the bat had migraines, I wasn't smoking analogs, but pushed through for about 2 days, Found a few cigarettes and My Habit Was back. I put down the ecig, but pushes from my boyfriend and I tried it again, but the migraines came back. (I was smoking a pack a day+ or - full flavor malboro menthol) my throat started hurting and I got strep. ..the ecig killed my throat and down it went (even though just days after putting down I had finally gotten my ejuice order or 12mg from Zeus juice) well as luck would have it I went broke and got back on the ecig. Almost a full week analog free! Here's my problems:
I still have headaches, not as bad (idk ratio of pg vs vg in ecigcharleston.com juice but zeus ejuice is 60P/40v) I don't really like a strong th and not looking for one.
I'm getting kind of nauseous. No hiccups no heartburn, just a general uneasy feeling. Drinking water and putting ecig down doesn't seem to help.
Would it be too soon to drop to 6mg? I would probably vape more, which I'm ok with. I'm not 100% how much I'm vaping now, but my tank holds 1.6 ml and I fill it back when I hit .8 maybe once a day, but my aspire tank has no measurements so I may be vaping more. I only fill it once a day.
I'm looking at getting a revolver battery (like the vision) I'm just not sure if it's what I need, or what it does other then giving a steady puff rather then a weakening one. Now that I've been a week off analogs I'd like to keep going, but I'm lost and would love help!
I might not even be clear on what I need help with. But if anyone has answers it'd be great!

If I understand correctly you're vaping 12 mg now. Headaches and nausea are classic symptoms of too much nicotine. I suggest you get some 6 mg juice and try that. At this point I wouldn't worry about PG or VG content, just make the one change first. I would also not get a new battery yet. Also, if you buy 6 mg juice in the same flavor as one you have now you can later mix it to get a intemediate level of nicotine. For example, 50% of 12 mg plus 50% of 6 mg = 9 mg.

I believe you said in a post after this one that you sometimes vape for 20 minutes. Try to limit that to shorter times. Nicotine is absorbed slower through vaping than through smoking, but it can build up after a long session.

Hang in there

 

[Completely Average]

Would that points towards a pg sensitivity?

Yeah, if you're feeling that ill with a 6-12mg then it's almost certainly a pg sensitivity. Odds are because you've been reducing the nicotine hoping that was the cause you're also vaping more which would make any pg sensitivity worse, and still leave you craving nicotine although the ill feeling probably outweighs that craving.

I would definitely recommend trying some 100% VG juices and see if that takes care of the problem.

If I understand correctly you're vaping 12 mg now. Headaches and nausea are classic symptoms of too much nicotine.

Headaches and nausea are also classic symptoms of PG sensitivity, and a 12mg vape would only be too much nicotine for someone who only occasionally smoked ultra-lights, which isn't the case here.

 

[Ryedan]

Headaches and nausea are also classic symptoms of PG sensitivity, and a 12mg vape would only be too much nicotine for someone who only occasionally smoked ultra-lights, which isn't the case here.

I've never experienced or heard of a PG sensitivity causing headaches or nausea. I have experienced them both from too much nicotine. What I found when reviewing the following post is that both headaches and nausea can also be symptoms of smoking cessation. I did not remember that, but it has been a while since I read that the last time. I would be interested to see any documentation you have about PG causing this.

A list of symptoms when quitting tobacco and changing to an ecigarette

Nicotine absorption from vaping is not an easy thing to quantify. Your comment "a 12mg vape would only be too much nicotine for someone who only occasionally smoked ultra-lights" is incorrect. When I first started vaping I was able to feel the symptoms of too much nicotine when using 12 mg juice. I smoked a pack a day of light cigarettes for 37 years.

 

[cowbooger88]

But I failed to mention I've broken out In hives after mixing two brand of juices. One of the juices I don't know ration of pg/vg it is likely it is higher which would cause symptoms

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[Ryedan]

But I failed to mention I've broken out In hives after mixing two brand of juices. One of the juices I don't know ration of pg/vg it is likely it is higher which would cause symptoms

Here is an excerpt from the link in my post above:

"V4. Headache, racing pulse, inability to sleep
Also light-headedness, tinnitus (ringing in the ears), dizziness, slurred speech, hiccups, tingling of the extremities (fingertips, toes), jitters, teeth grinding - all these are reported as nicotine overdose symptoms.

Sometimes we overestimate just how much nicotine we were getting with regular cigarettes, and underestimate how much we are vaping, particularly at the beginning. Racing pulse is the most common, slurred speech less so. Headache can be severe. Light-headedness plus tinnitus is described as the 'just come out of a loud rock concert' effect. Try cutting down the nic dosage in your cartridges or liquids or vaping less frequently. The nicotine strength can be easily reduced by adding some VG (Glycerine, USP - obtained from a pharmacy), although this will also reduce the flavor.

It is said that some people experience one or other of the above symptoms even with a low nicotine liquid and find that switching to VG solves their problems, although such symptoms of PG intolerance are not widely believed to exist never mind be proven. It is more likely that such a reduction of the symptom/s (while staying at the same nic level) would be due to an intolerance to flavorings, colorings or similar used in an eliquid, and changing to a VG liquid simply removed those particular ingredients - see footnote.

Tachycardia and insomnia
A racing pulse and inability to sleep are symptoms of nicotine OD that may be experienced by those who have never before had any symptom of excess nicotine consumption. It is not clear if these symptoms are due to a batch of e-liquid that was considerably stronger than labeled, or an eventual reaction to excess nicotine. The solution might be to reduce the nic strength to a minimum sufficient to produce the required results (removal of cravings, adequate life functionality, stress relief, etc.) and no more.

Note that there is a huge range of tolerance to nicotine: some people report that 12mg liquid causes these types of symptoms for them, while others consume fairly large quantities of 36mg (or even higher) with no effects whatsoever. There are cases of users with 6mg liquid who reported that over-consumption was problematic, compared with some users who vape 60mg with no effects. There are many reports of people consuming 48mg in order to successfully convert to an e-cigarette. This appears to show that there is a factor-10 variance in nicotine tolerance between individuals - that is, some can tolerate a nicotine intake ten times higher than others; equally, low strength refill may be ten times too weak for some users (especially when in the process of switching).

As a general policy, it is probably best to reduce the nicotine strength to the minimum needed. It will often be impossible to equate this to the amount smoked as for some reason there is no direct relationship, for many/most people. Also, the nicotine strength of the liquid can be reduced over time, for most people. This is so common that it is regarded as routine: surveys have shown that 65% of vapers reduced their nic strength during the time period covered.

V5. Intolerance to e-liquid ingredients
A small number of people find they are intolerant to an ingredient and need to change the refill liquid they use.
a) The most common source of minor intolerance issues is PG, the most common base or carrier liquid component. A large number of symptoms have been reported, from sore throat, dry skin, and itching - though since there has been no research of such topics, all statements are guesses/opinions. If you find that you are experiencing some sort of issue then the first thing to try is a higher percentage of VG in the liquid (i.e. less PG), or an all-VG liquid, to see if the problem disappears.
b) A very small number or people report the reverse: an intolerance to VG. However, it should be carefully noted that not all glycerine can be used for e-liquid purposes. In particular it has been reported more than once that buying a cheap brand resulted in an adverse reaction. Note that only 'Glycerin, USP' bought from a pharmacy is recommended. VG can be made for industrial purposes and a cheap brand bought in a general store is unlikely to be of the best quality. If a reaction to VG is experienced, it would be worth trying another brand.
c) Some are intolerant to other ingredients, and these are most likely flavorings or colors. The answer is to change to a different liquid or even a different supplier, and see if the problem persists.
d) If you experience a strong reaction to a new liquid then don't use it any more - change to another liquid from another supplier. Some flavorings are obviously going to cause a reaction in a percentage of people because of the type of flavor and its known issues - cinnamon is an example. Some will have a reaction to it and this must be expected."