a new GGTB review

[imeothanasis]

Truth is a beautiful girl that likes to hide. But we will search and we will find her, no worries

Please see this video and read the following thread. While you do this I will prepare the truth to appear :lol


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...o-reviews/168819-ggtb-fail-cisco-901-win.html

 

[buGG]

imeo, don't bother yourself with reviews like this...everybody's got an opinion and a webcam.

 

[Polioud]

true that ... just close your ears and eyes (like buGG's avatar ) to it
haters will be haters no matter what

 

[imeothanasis]

BuGG and Pol, I agree with you and I say this to my friends that they try to defend me from time to time but other people watch so I have to say what is going on.

The man on that video said that GGTB works. Ok, we knew that. Lets go further now.

The title was very fancy. GGTB fail!! lol. Why? Because of the following reasons (as he said):

1. He says its expensive. But comparing apples with oranges (euros and dollars) is not a very honest comparison. I live in Europe and I have to be compared with euro mods. But lets say that dollar was more expensive than euro. Then GGTB would be an exellent device or we would hide this advantage?

2. It uses expensive batteries. Ok, GGTB use expensive batteries because it has to be as thin as possible to give a nice feeling to your hand. If you want a bigger mod to cover all batteries then you can buy a GGTS and you would be happy not only because it fits all batteries but because of 10+1 more reasons. GGTB takes AW batteries and it doesnt fail of this lol

3. He says that button needs magnets to work good and you have to pay extra money for that. He is the only person that says that magnets work better than the spring! My friend Golden, button works better with spring for just one simple reason. Spring gives more preassure to the pin that makes the contact so the more the preassure the better the contact. The conclution is that you dont need magnets exept you want to make button softer and immortal. So selling magnets separate is an option, not a must.

4. Updates. You say that you have to buy and buy and buy stuff from me. Why? What stuff you need after the first purchase that is nessesary? You buy stuff just because you like buying, not because GGTB really needs them. So buying is your problem and not mine if you agree.

5. Who said that you need copper spring? Copper spring is something that gives you 0,1 more volts. You dont need it, you just wanted to buy it. Do you know many mods that use copper spring? (that was my idea for one more time if you remember). So if you dont use copper spring then vape isnt good with GGTB? I dont think so buddy

6. When you talk about GGTb your face was a little tired lol. But lets see why:

a. You said that GGTB needs a daily cleaning. Are you sure? Because noone else clean his GGTB in daily basis. Be sure that you are the only one that does that (if you really do it)

b. You said that button was a little crappy after a week of not use. That means that you put something inside button that made it stuck. What do you use? Vaseline? Noalox? Did I ever said that you need to put something inside button? No. Only some vaseline and only if its nessesary. You can put vaseline everywhere and as often as you want but button will stuck if you put vaseline inside it and leave it. Button will stuck for sure.!!

Same applies to locking function. Dont put stuff there and leave it for one week. Better to not put anything. It will work as the first day you bought it. I dont know if you have the brass button or the nickel one but as I saw on video you have the brass one because it tarnish easy.

And now that we are talking about tarnish of brass, you said that you dont like the tarnish of brass button but you recommend people to buy a copper mod that tarnish all of it??? Are you sure that your review is honest?

7. You said that you can buy an 20 dollars mod that will fail in a year but its cheap. I totally agree. But when you buy a mercedes you buy it for some reason, otherwise all people will have a yugo to drive. But not all people want to drive a yugo. That was a bad epicheirema of yours if you agree.

8. On your review you compare GGTB with some other mods that people cant see. Thats a bad review to me Golden my friend. On a good review you show the cig to people, you dont compare it with other mods and if its a comparing review you have the other cigs with you. You dont just throw names around and you dont suggest to people to buy other mods exept that on your review. I am sure that this was your first "review" of an cig but I hope not your last one. You seem a good person with nice style but I think you need some practise on reviews. Exept that you didnt really wanted to make a review but something else (that is something I dont want to think)

9. You forgot to mention the telescopic battery. Isnt this a very nice feature? Isnt this a very nice thought? Are you sure that you cant use cheap china batteries with GGTB? Maybe the truth is that you can use more than one type of cheap batteries, something you cant do with other mods, so your 2. epicheirema not only doesnt exist but its an advantage of GGTB lol

10. You said that GGTB isnt something special. Noone said that GGTB is something special. Its something cheap, functional and even if its cheap it has more options than the other mods in his category. Thats the reason I made it. Affortable and functional. If you want something very special please buy the GGTS and we talk again.

I am sorry if I look rude on this post, it not my purpose, but I had to explain to you and to potensial customers that your video doesnt shows the reality of GGTB but something else.

 

[imeothanasis]

I cant post on this thread so I would like someone to post a link there so people can see what is going on.

 

[imeothanasis]

Of course mwa was the first one that was in a hurry to make the first post after this "review"

 

[zuTma]

yea i saw that review couple days ago and when i saw mwa gloat on it
i knew it's a piece of trash!
It's interesting how mwa guy allways say "I say it now and that's it"
and then i see the same thing somewher else where is word about GG.
It' really sad actually, he was really big fan of GG

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

imeo, don't bother yourself with reviews like this...everybody's got an opinion and a webcam.

The review that goldenkobold provided is a perfect time for imeo to dispell any misconceptions about the GGTB and highlight its advantages for those who are not a 'guru' of GG products. And Imeo has done a nice job of that.

Both golden and imeo have done a service for those considering a GGTB in particular or a GG product in general. One can make a more informed decision on whether a GGTB is right for them.

More debate only helps the potential customer to make a more informed decision; shutting it down does no one any good.

Thanks both to imeo and golden.

cheers,

 

[imeothanasis]

yes thats true Zu. Everytime the same thing. I know the people that will bring me problems from almost their first post. But I always try to be patient and sweet. But I cant let them .......ng around. A little panishment from time to time to those children is nessesary

 

[RippleInStillWater]

yea i saw that review couple days ago and when i saw mwa gloat on it
i knew it's a piece of trash!
It's interesting how mwa guy allways say "I say it now and that's it"
and then i see the same thing somewher else where is word about GG.
It' really sad actually, he was really big fan of GG

Sigh, I responded as best I could, but there is no reason to trash another member (who should stop soon I hope), though, it can get you into trouble.....

 

[imeothanasis]

thanks gator for your nice words. And I agree that this was a very big oportunity for me to spell some things for GGTB that I never did. When I made GGTB many people told me that I didnt do what I had to do to promote the GGTB. Now it was time to do it.

Golden looks a nice guy but he doesnt know that when you buy a GG you buy its history too without cost. He is a new guy here. He has to be more careful on his next reviews so he can be a respectable member of ecf like Scott is and other people too.

 

[imeothanasis]

Ripple, Zu said what he wanted to say in the best way he could. Other people say much worse things and they are still here.
There is no reason to fear of anyone. Saying your honest opinion is the best you can do. But you have to be honest and not to act like a child that someone took his toy.

 

[perpetua]

Ive just joined the 'fangirl' ranks Imeo. . . . can't have my favourite designer and device dissed.

 

[imeothanasis]

perp, are you a woman? I didnt knew that (I think)

 

[RippleInStillWater]

Ripple, Zu said what he wanted to say in the best way he could. Other people say much worse things and they are still here.
There is no reason to fear of anyone. Saying your honest opinion is the best you can do. But you have to be honest and not to act like a child that someone took his toy.

Oh. no zu didn't say anything bad but I remember what happened to HoPeFuLLL all too well, I don't want to lose another friend here, no matter who it is that says something. This is the last I'll comment about this and that is sometimes you have to question a friend's motivation to do something.....

I think golden didn't have the whole GGTB story, maybe you need a supplier's associate for quick contact here! Not me, I don't have buGG's or B-rad's knowledge!!!

 

[Goldenkobold]

I believe I will respond to this since it is Directed at my post, and I understand Imeo can not talk on reviewer threads.

BuGG and Pol, I agree with you and I say this to my friends that they try to defend me from time to time but other people watch so I have to say what is going on.

The man on that video said that GGTB works. Ok, we knew that. Lets go further now.

Let us be clear here I said it was functional without being fantastic, in regards to the GGTB...and ONLY the ggtb, as I never meant this video as a review of the GG line only this particular mod in the GG lineup. It in no way reflects on the GG slims or GGTS or any of the various acronyms for the various tanks.

The title was very fancy. GGTB fail!! lol. Why? Because of the following reasons (as he said):

Yes that is my ECF title, my youtube title is simply GGTB & Cisco Review.

1. He says its expensive. But comparing apples with oranges (euros and dollars) is not a very honest comparison. I live in Europe and I have to be compared with euro mods. But lets say that dollar was more expensive than euro. Then GGTB would be an exellent device or we would hide this advantage?

I am not comparing apples to oranges, I am comparing apples to apples...or in this case mods to mods, I can't really comment on monetary fluctuation because honestly to many people it all comes down to total price. In which case the GGTB is on the upper end of 17670 mods, easily. It is comparable to the puresmoker but much more than the copper, which as an entire kit is only 74.99. To say otherwise would be a dishonest review on my part.

2. It uses expensive batteries. Ok, GGTB use expensive batteries because it has to be as thin as possible to give a nice feeling to your hand. If you want a bigger mod to cover all batteries then you can buy a GGTS and you would be happy not only because it fits all batteries but because of 10+1 more reasons. GGTB takes AW batteries and it doesnt fail of this lol

It does take expensive batteries, you have no problem saying this....why do your retailers not ALSO say this. Your australian retailer, at the time of my purchase, ggecigs.net had this to say about UF 17670's
" Product Information

Ultrafire 3.7V 1800mAh LC 17670 Protected Battery 2-Pack

Ideal for nearly a full days vaping on a GGTB.

Be the first to review this product!

Price: $14.00"

The underline is mine, the quote is theirs, to this day none of your retailers list the potential problem with other 17670 batteries or state that the AW is the only battery that is guaranteed to work on this device. I consider this a problem, compounded by the fact that they could easily correct this but choose not to.

3. He says that button needs magnets to work good and you have to pay extra money for that. He is the only person that says that magnets work better than the spring! My friend Golden, button works better with spring for just one simple reason. Spring gives more preassure to the pin that makes the contact so the more the preassure the better the contact. The conclution is that you dont need magnets exept you want to make button softer and immortal. So selling magnets separate is an option, not a must.

I am not the first person to say this, in fact Smokie says this in his reviews and in his comment on my initial review.

4. Updates. You say that you have to buy and buy and buy stuff from me. Why? What stuff you need after the first purchase that is nessesary? You buy stuff just because you like buying, not because GGTB really needs them. So buying is your problem and not mine if you agree.

I didn't actually say this, MWA said this, address your concerns in that regard to him, I did say, in response to MWA, much of the GG lineup is based off of after market parts and lets face it...it is..I did not however say this was a negative thing.In fact my full response to him was as follows "I agree the GG line is dependent on after market add ons for the full effect, that being said this is only a review of the GGTB and doesn't reflect one way or another on the rest of his line. You are probably a better person to do that. I think some of his items are truly innovative, the multithreaded head that can take more than one atty without an adapter is a great example.....however as far as the GGTB...well it remains as I said in the video, and I will take your word on the other GG's without using my money to test them out." In which I clearly pointed out I was not talking about the entire line

5. Who said that you need copper spring? Copper spring is something that gives you 0,1 more volts. You dont need it, you just wanted to buy it. Do you know many mods that use copper spring? (that was my idea for one more time if you remember). So if you dont use copper spring then vape isnt good with GGTB? I dont think so buddy

.1 more volts is .4 more total wattage at 2ohms.

6. When you talk about GGTb your face was a little tired lol. But lets see why:

a. You said that GGTB needs a daily cleaning. Are you sure? Because noone else clean his GGTB in daily basis. Be sure that you are the only one that does that (if you really do it)

At this point I have to wonder if you are paying attention to your own customers, there are lots of people who talk of the tarnishing issue with the nickle plated GGTB's, there are even some who have stripped off the plating. A clear coat option would have been nice to offer.

b. You said that button was a little crappy after a week of not use. That means that you put something inside button that made it stuck. What do you use? Vaseline? Noalox? Did I ever said that you need to put something inside button? No. Only some vaseline and only if its nessesary. You can put vaseline everywhere and as often as you want but button will stuck if you put vaseline inside it and leave it. Button will stuck for sure.!!

Same applies to locking function. Dont put stuff there and leave it for one week. Better to not put anything. It will work as the first day you bought it. I dont know if you have the brass button or the nickel one but as I saw on video you have the brass one because it tarnish easy.

No I have the nickle one, ALL OF YOUR NICKLE TARNISHES EASILY AND RAPIDLY. If you get nothing else out of this review understand this point your nickle plated gear tarnishes RAPIDLY
My entire tube looks like that in a week I just constantly..yes daily as I said...wipe it down to avoid that.
None of this misdirection addresses the main manufacturer defect in my button, it is burred, to the point where the function of it is impaired and always has been.

And now that we are talking about tarnish of brass, you said that you dont like the tarnish of brass button but you recommend people to buy a copper mod that tarnish all of it??? Are you sure that your review is honest?

The copper mod has a clear coat option now, welcome to 2011.

7. You said that you can buy an 20 dollars mod that will fail in a year but its cheap. I totally agree. But when you buy a mercedes you buy it for some reason, otherwise all people will have a yugo to drive. But not all people want to drive a yugo. That was a bad epicheirema of yours if you agree.

I think we both agree the mercedes is something special, and as you are about to say below...the GGTB is not.

8. On your review you compare GGTB with some other mods that people cant see. Thats a bad review to me Golden my friend. On a good review you show the cig to people, you dont compare it with other mods and if its a comparing review you have the other cigs with you. You dont just throw names around and you dont suggest to people to buy other mods exept that on your review. I am sure that this was your first "review" of an cig but I hope not your last one. You seem a good person with nice style but I think you need some practise on reviews. Exept that you didnt really wanted to make a review but something else (that is something I dont want to think)

This is not my first review, there is no hidden agenda, as I said in the end of this review some people may like this device it is functional but not fantastic. I did mention other mods, I am not going to say this one is expensive compared to other mods and then not mention the other mods I am talking about, that would not be a good review...sure it may mean I don't get free stuff thrown my way but it does give the people watching the review other devices to check out.

9. You forgot to mention the telescopic battery. Isnt this a very nice feature? Isnt this a very nice thought? Are you sure that you cant use cheap china batteries with GGTB? Maybe the truth is that you can use more than one type of cheap batteries, something you cant do with other mods, so your 2. epicheirema not only doesnt exist but its an advantage of GGTB lol

You can use that insert in any 17670 sized device...but I didn't buy a device this large to use 10440 batteries in. As I said in response to another TB post, you can use the TB in most 17670 sized devices and can purchase it separately, turning any 17670 into a TB if you feel the need to rock a 14500 in a comparatively large device.

10. You said that GGTB isnt something special. Noone said that GGTB is something special. Its something cheap, functional and even if its cheap it has more options than the other mods in his category. Thats the reason I made it. Affortable and functional. If you want something very special please buy the GGTS and we talk again.

I am sorry if I look rude on this post, it not my purpose, but I had to explain to you and to potensial customers that your video doesnt shows the reality of GGTB but something else.

Good I am glad we agree that the GGTB is not something special. However I do not agree that the GGTB is something cheap compared to other mods in the 17670 range it is definitely at the upper end. Here is something for you to try, find me a 17670 mod that is MORE expensive than the GGTB and then find the ones that are less expensive and see for yourself where you think it falls price wise. Apples to Apples I think you will find it not being in the "cheap" category. There is nothing wrong with paying more for function or design, I like the looks of the GG line but I am not going to sit here and pretend it is a cheap 17670 mod.

 

[imeothanasis]

Ripple, what I dont like is that some people can say any BS in the world and others dont. Thats redicolous but it happens. I could tell worse things than Zu said but I try hard to keep my mouth shut. As for Hope, his ban was the most unfair as I can tell. But I dont complain, life isnt fair either.

 

[perpetua]

perp, are you a woman? I didnt knew that (I think)

I am indeed Imeo.

Thing is, I know you gents love the technical aspects of a device . . . it's of completely no interest to me I'm afraid . . . what I look for in a device, is for something that works well, is attractive to look at and is backed up by great service. GG's/Imeo/Krom deliver all that for me.

 

[imeothanasis]

Golden, we agree to some things right now. But I have to tell you that I am not responsible for what my sellers write on their sites. That doesnt mean they are bad sellers, it means that they dont have the right info. And if you ask me why they dont have the right info is because they cant follow the GG forum all the time where I have said many times about 17xxx batteries and maybe because I forgot to mention it to them. Or maybe they forgot it. People make mistakes. At least they are not mistakes in purpose or mistakes that will put a customer in danger.

The second I want to ask you is why you believe that GG is based on after sales market parts? You are wrong here Golden and I will tell you why. GG doesnt need anything as I told you. You buy it and thats it. But I make some things that other cigs dont have like magnets. Or I make updates for GG line just because I have too many ideas. That means that I am a bad person because I dont want to put magnets as standard or because
I update always the GG line? I dont get it and I dont understand what you mean. You mean that I have to stop updating? Maybe you mean that every modder that makes updates has to stop doing this? Also that means that the modder that doesnt make updates is a good person? To me it looks like the guy that doesnt make updates is out of ideas.

0,1 volt with a 3,7 battery and 2 ohm resistanse is 0,18 watt and not 0,4 watt as you say Golden

You asked me if I pay attention to my customers. Maybe you dont know me well Golden. I am the man that pays the more attention from any other modder here. I will tell you some examples to show you what is going on:

1. I made 2 recalls to all GG when they had a problem 2 years before. Do you know anyone else that did that?

2. I send free parts to everyone that has an issue even if my waranty says that they have to pay 10 euros

3. I send free stuff to people that have issues with their bodies so they cant affort to pay much money to me because they dont work

4. As for the nickel plating that goes off the body you had to know somethings before you post this issue here. Those people that had this issue are only the customers with the satin nickel. Do you know that I replace those GGTBs for free? The people that told you this didnt tell you that THEY RECEIVE A FREE SHINY ONE??


You said: "ALL OF YOUR NICKLE TARNISHES EASILY AND RAPIDLY" You mean that other nickel mods tarnish later? Is this a serious statement? Are you sure about that Golden? You mean that MY nickel is not nickel? I really dont know what you mean by that. Maybe you confuce nickel with Chromium that doesnt tarnish but it peels if the cig falls down?


Coating the copper or bronze and leaving its colour as it is is the worse thing you can do to a mod. Lacquer will leave the surface as quick you can blink your eye. Why do you think I dont do it on GG? But even if I dont follow copper or any other mod I know that copepr cant be lacquered succesfully.

GGTB is not a mercedes of course, it would cost as GGTS costs. But its not a yugo Golden, but a toyota maybe? Toyota is a nice car for all people and that is what I wanted to offer when I made it.

You said that you didnt bought the GGTB to use it with 10440 batteries. You forget the cr2? Also why you dont mention cr123 that are very good batteries? GGTB is large for cr123? Are there other mods that use cr123 and they are smaller or thinner? I dont understand what you mean again.

At the end you tell me to try and find a 17670 mod that is more expensive than GGTB. For one more time you try to compare apples and oranges. Lets see why. Are they wireless? (my invention if you remember). Do they have a locking button option? Do they have venting holes? Do they have engraving? Can you clean them easily? Can you change any part of them very easy? Do those modders support their product like I do? Do they have a faulse telescopic battery? Can they put off the whole connector and clean it? If a devise has all those things then tell me where is that device and how much does it costs

 

[imeothanasis]

I am indeed Imeo.

Thing is, I know you gents love the technical aspects of a device . . . it's of completely no interest to me I'm afraid . . . what I look for in a device, is for something that works well, is attractive to look at and is backed up by great service. GG's/Imeo/Krom deliver all that for me.

perpe my dear, if I knew that you were a girl I would treat you much better that what I have done till now. Welcome to GG fungirl club sweety