a new GGTB review
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Imeo, I have had the GGTS that I won for 3 weeks now. There is no tarnishing. How long does it take before it starts tarnishing? I wipe it down every day with a towel--no chemicals. Is tarnishing only an issue with satin nickel and not the shiney nickel? What am I missing? When/if it tarnishes...what do I clean it up with?
i couldn't care less what you call the review or what you really think about the device, but i think what imeo is getting at here is that you acknowedge its functionality, but at the same lead others to believe the device failed by virtue of how you chose to title your ECF "review."
you're still comparing apples to oranges, but you're passing it off as if you're simply comparing fruit to fruit. why mention the electronic mods when you are reviewing and attempting to compare them to a fully mechanical one? granted the prodigy and the copper meet the criteria, being fully mechanical mods built around taking a 17670 battery, but the comparison ends there, and only one of them is less expensive. factor in the fact that the GGTB is built to accept this battery as well as others, it's meant to be as small as possible, it's meant to give non-GG users an entry level option to the location and performance of the famed button found on the GGT, Grant, and GGTS, it's meant to offer options in terms of materials used and aesthetic preference, and more. this is not a knock on any other device, many of which i own, but there are very few built around the 17670 battery which should start your comparison, and none that then proceed to fill the same operational and aesthetic possibilities that the GGTB does. add to that a lifetime warranty and $72 seems like a good investment to me.
i wholeheartedly agree that all of the suppliers should carry batteries that fit the knowingly fit the mods or should advise the customer of potential battery restrictions. however, expensive is a relative concept, differing from one user to the next and in comparison to one item or another. my aw batteries are not nearly as expensive as my wolf eyes and my pila batteries which also fit the GGTB without a problem. i won't buy them anymore, because the aw fits the bill and it does it for less. the problem is that you're mad at imeo or mad at the suppliers of the mod, when you should have redirected your disdain for the manufacturer of the battery. ask WhaFat why their batteries are all over the place in terms of dimensions, performance, quality, etc. i've mentioned this before, the batteries you were using are crap, and had you not messed them up trying to force them into the mod, you would have ended up replacing them a lot sooner or realized their inadequacy in terms of performance across the board. you'd still have the aw's. i know that everyone doesn't agree, and i too bought cheap batteries and cheap mods early on and all of that, but at some point i realized i was wasting money and the best thing to do is to do it right the first time, rather than have to spend less money, realize you got less product and have to spend the money necessary to get the right product later. but here it seems to be that you knowingly spent less money with the intention to spend it again and again on your batteries or your mod choices just to say that you didn't spend 11 bucks upfront for your battery or 72 bucks up front for your mod.
see this a situation that i really don't know enough about. what i do know is that it's personal even if it has turned itself into a public attempt to affect a man's business. my problem here is that you say you would take mwa's word, but if you looked back on his posts regarding the GG, you would have to question the integrity of his word. something went wrong here, i don't know what it is, and don't particularly care, but i'd like to know if there's an agenda or a particular turnabout of approach between a forum member and supplier before i take someone's word on the product line. not even research, but just looking over posts in this subthread would reveal that there was a fitment issue favoring the AW batteries and not ***fire batteries in the GGTB, and certain members who were very active and enthusiastic about all things GG have nothing positive to say any longer. then you don't have to take anything at face value, you can formulate your own approach with a little more information to go off of. this is what i hope our viewers will do, but to each their own.
yep it is. but if you're concerned enough about performance efficiency, maximizing wattage and voltage differentials, then why were you using those ***fire batteries to begin with? it's been noted that they have 1.5C discharge rate, and exaggerated mAh. if you granted them the same capacity that the AW's have, the max continuous drain rate would be 2.4A for those cells. but knowing that my AW's last longer than those same ***fire batteries is enough for me to know that the ****fire 17670s either have a lower drain rate to begin with or the mAh is less which is further driving down the drain rate as Amps= (C)Rate * Amp hours. under load, the voltage could have been fluctuating to well beyond .1V with your choice of battery anyway by virtue of their inefficiency and underperformance given the load. not to say changing the spring wouldn't help, or doing this or that, but just saying that you voice a concern in one area without looking at the factors that increase that concern in another.
i gave a nickel version to my brother over the holidays. he uses it ever day, and it looks dull if anything, but not tarnished. of course he does clean it weekly and uses a good polish on it. me, however, i can only stare lovingly at the nickel, because touching it causes an almost immediate reaction with the metal. my skin is caustic like that, but only with nickel. i'm not alone in this, and maybe just maybe you are like this too. the thing about it is that i knew this before getting a nickel GGTB, and so when i bought two, one to keep and one to gift, i bought an aluminum version and and a brass version too. i use the aluminum regularly, and the brass, like the nickel, is also just for display. the thing about this is that there are options and you have to exercise them with thought and consideration. you don't like cleaning, go electronic, or go with stainless. all nickel tarnishes, not just the GG, all of it. maybe triple chrome plating with the chromium top layer doesn't i don't know, but i've had a lot of nickel plated things in my life and they've all tarnished. again, maybe all aluminum is right for you, or maybe no GG at all. point being, options are built into this thing and it's designed around giving the end user a fair share of them.
true indeed. i've encountered this on other machined mods, and it's not what you want to deal with. you expect it to just work, and i agree it should. dealing with the GG, and especially the GGTB is very simple, even with a burr that's catching at some point or threads that are less than ideal. a little early maintenance is not always required, but never hurts. what happened with your issue the first time around? did vk replace the GGTB for you, did you polish the burr off when you realized what was going on? not a great thing to have happen, but there are quick fixes and imeo, the suppliers, and other members as well are here to help troubleshoot if you want to get into it.
my only suggestion is that you give the people a fair review. you talk about how great a particular 901 atty is, but then say it leaks, get a drip shield. yeah 901 leak, especially if overflooded, but you didn't tally up the drip shield along with the specialty 901 atomizer to say hey these are the hidden costs of using this 901 atty. and regarding that tally, yes you need batteries of some sort to vape with, the aw's are more than the ***fire, you need a charger to charge the batteries, the pila is more than the ****fire, you need your attys, you need your juice, you may need an adapter, etc., and all of these things can be had for more or less, but you don't need the special 510/801 adapter for the GGTB or the AVS for the GGTB unless that's what you want to get. what you bought is a 901 device that takes at it's fullest capacity will take a 17670 or two cr123A batteries, and will allow you to use pretty much any battery you have that's smaller than this configuration with the included telescopic battery. nobody else sells a telescopic battery, and while i don't use it one bit, it's a cool concept. nobody else allows you to use magnets in the button, but it's not needed, simply an option you can make at checkout now or later. not even a comment about the air draw that the GGTB adapter gives 808 cartos. the thing is take a look at the whole of what you have and then look at the alternatives. it's not that one is necessarily better than another, it's that nothing else is the same or affords the same options. you can't knock someone for making new things to go with what you already have, and if it what you already have is broken, well again, you got a lifetime warranty...use it. and if you just don't like what you got when you got it, return it, if you don't like it or the manufacturer, i say sell it, and don't look back. but keep it fair and honest on the review, acknowledge your issues and what if anything can be done to rectify it, or why bother doing it all?
peace.
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Well then, if you are not responsible, you are not responsible. Just be aware its happening in regards to your product.
Yes I think your device is after market driven, I do not think there is anything wrong with this, anymore than I see Harley Davidson doing something wrong with having after market parts as part of the equation. This is, however, obviously the case..one only has to look at the catalog of after market options to see this, this is the only line of mods that the upgrades can exceed the original cost of the device. I never said you had to upgrade your GGTS to use it though, don't confuse me for posters underneath my review, I specifically said I was not reviewing the GGTS nor do I plan to do so.
I would have to see your math for that but really is not important...there is an appreciable drop for every .1 volt I suppose we can agree on that.
I don't have to know you Imeo, my review was not called "Review of Imeo" nor was it called "Review of the history of GG's"
it was called the "GGTB & Cisco review"
You have to understand Imeo, your entire customer base may not find its way to this sub forum or even the greater ECF community. Your suppliers didn't include a business card with your email address on it, and I do not see you phone number engraved anywhere on any GG. As it stands all of your US retailers, vapor kings in the past Clouds at the present, offer zero warranty on the GG. The fact that if they stumble across this forum they may be able to contact you does not change that.
No it means don't call my button brass due to the tarnish on it when your nickle does the exact same thing. It was in direct response to this statement.
"but as I saw on video you have the brass one because it tarnish easy."
which makes no sense as both your brass and your nickle tarnish and tarnish easy(sic).
Perhaps, clear coating of copper is nothing new however, I suppose this is a difference of opinion between you and others.
Fine its a toyota?
I am assuming that you are asking are there mods that use 2 cr123 that are thinner? But that makes no sense as we were talking about the TB insert which would not be used with stacked cr123's. So I really don't understand why you are bringing up cr123's in relation to your Telescopic insert unless you are talking about using the device with one cr123 then yes there are smaller mods that use one cr123 or 16340? Yes of course it is a smaller battery.
All of these questions are not exactly relevant to device function. It would be the same as me asking, Does it come in red? Does it float? Is it made out of steel? Does it have the Brand X logo on the side? Does it have a bottom button?
All of these are features but they are not necessarily relevant ones. I am not going to come here on your subforum and start talking about other specific devices. You want to have someone bring it up on the general forums I will be glad to do so.
I will say that most of them come with a better supplier warranty, since there is nothing worse than zero supplier warranty, maybe you should start sticking your email address on a sheet of paper and putting it inside the mod to make sure all the GG users know how to contact you since you don't actually sell these yourself.
If they judege every review by the title I don't care, it basically summed up my review nicely I think
No I am comparing mods to mods, you would like to make one into a golden apple and one into a rotten orange but that is not the case, at the end of the day I judge it by how it vapes and to a much less extent by how it looks
Because at the end of the day they both vape whether or not the mechanical community wishes to acknowledge that fact or not
No the GGTB comes with the TB insert, but you can put this in any of the above mods as well and it is available for seperate purchase, but like you I have no use for it.
Yours came with a warranty? Mine came with a pack of bubble wrap.
I have said this before...on this subforum, but the total mah of any 17670 is beyond my daily vaping use, that is the entire point of me buying such a device...to exceed my requirements to the point of not needing to worry about it. In that regard ANY 17670 battery lasts long enough for ME to get through the day as I use it. Any of them...any single solitary one. The UF did it the AW did it...they ALL did it. Now if I was using two of these a day the total length would be a larger factor to ME but I don't so it is not. Thank you.
I am going to cut some of your post out here because basically I just want to say I did not know of MWA's relationship with the GG, I stand by my statement I am not spending the money on the GGTS based off my experience with the GGTB but that is just me. I am not getting in the middle of whatever was going on there.
I want to say two things about the above, one as I said before the UF's worked fine as far as MAH for me, they made it through the day.They also deliver enough amps for me at 2.0ohms on the 3.7 volt, so that moving from one didn't cause a noticeable increase in performance. Two I clearly said the AW's are the best batteries but it is worth noting the cost difference. You have a very dim view of UF batteries, I understand this.
If you notice my tube is still relatively shiny, not as shiny but I clean it often...like I said in the review, I did say that the issue was related to the nickle plated version in the video
As I said I mentioned the nickle plating
No VK no longer deals with GG's and this was one of the last ones to go out from them
That is because all 901's share this flaw.
That is probably why I didn't mention it
There is a time limit on these videos, but more the point I find the 808 draw overly airy on the GGTB if I had said something about that it would have been
1. Subjective
2. another thing I would be getting flack for from the fanbase.
You got a lifetime warranty? I got some bubblewrap.
This review reflected my honest and unpaid for opinion of this product by itself. You don't like it? I can't change that fact. I will continue to give my honest and unbiased opinion.
Listen I apologize if this sounded harsher than it was meant to sound BuGG, at this point I have two threads of GG fanatics, some of whom have never TOUCHED a GGTB trying to have their say.
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So the title on every article in journalism is not an indicator of what it contains? Ofcourse it will impress heavily on everyone who reads is. And on this note I can justify imeo's reaction as "fail" is quite a strong word ...
The only thing I can agree on your review is the need for every retailer to provide solid support for every product they include: photos, detailed descriptions, potential problems with certain combinations etc.
Other than that I am 100% with buGG and his review of your review
p.s. GG line is bomb-proof (functionality wise) ... alas it's not fool-proof
perpe my dear, if I knew that you were a girl I would treat you much better that what I have done till now. Welcome to GG fungirl club sweety
Proud to be in the GG fan girl club Imeo. x
Me to, especially ((( Imeo ))) . . . who, in my humble opinion goes to exceptional lengths to advise & assist each and every of his customers if they need it, to make sure they're happy with their GG's.
Wow....sounds like someone is ....Lets all 
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to the GG line of PV's 
....Lets all then throw a and propose a to the GG line of PV's 
Yeah, I hear ya on that, but usually ya will be directed to Imeo or they will handle contacting Imeo, if ya have a manufacturer defect, and it will be taken care of..... Usually all GG sellers are very helpful, and ya will be directed to whoever ya need to, specially if something was a defect with the unit.
Now I understand sometimes things could fall thru the cracks, but I have never had a problem..... weather I was dealing with Imeo direct, or the GG seller... always got taken care of...
-Tim
if you have a gg in your hands you have a lifetime warranty with imeo regardless of what supplier/classified you got it from
My experience with my GGTB is not at all similar to Golden's. To let you know who I am, I am a middle-aged mom/teacher who knows nothing of mechanical gadgets and nothing about things like nickle versus copper... I pretty much know how to put batteries in, put on atty and vape. I've had my GGTB for a couple of months. I use trustfire 14500 batteries with no problems. They're cheap which is why I use them. The finish on my GGTB looks like new. It is not tarnished. The button looks like new. All I do is rub it with a cloth maybe once a day. Also, once a week or so I take it apart and clean it and then apply vaseline to threads. Takes about 5 minutes total. I don't have the time or knowledge to do anything else. The bottem line is that it still looks like new and vapes perfectly. So why is Golden's experience so different than mine?
Edit: To be fair, I just realized that my GGTB is not nickel, it's aluminum... I told you I don't know anything about finishes and such... So maybe that is the reason mine looks like new. When I bought mine, I had a choice of finishes so perhaps if tarnishing is a worry, then buy the aluminum.
Edit: To be fair, I just realized that my GGTB is not nickel, it's aluminum...
I told you I don't know anything about finishes and such... So maybe that is the reason mine looks like new. When I bought mine, I had a choice of finishes so perhaps if tarnishing is a worry, then buy the aluminum.
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The GG buyers are not fanatics Golden. They are just cig users that support their choice to vape on the best device, with the best support, the best features and prices (GGTB) and the best waranty. They also try to put things in the right way to avoid misunderstoodings like BuGG did. And he did it too good
I am sure that you like reviewing cigs and as I said earlier I like your style. I kindly recomend you to use a different way to make reviews and I am sure that many people will follow your opinions.
I am sure that you like reviewing cigs and as I said earlier I like your style. I kindly recomend you to use a different way to make reviews and I am sure that many people will follow your opinions.
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My GGTB doen't get the same treatment as my GGTS's as its used a lot more but still looks good even after nearly 6 months of being one of my main vapes.
I have always used 2 cr123a's for 6volt with never a misfire or problem plus being mechanical there's nothing that cannot be remedied with ease.
As for the magnet upgrade well at least you have a choice, mine all have magnets fitted as these will outlast me but they are not forced on you to buy with other mods you get one button that's not always mechanical and if that fails the whole mods no good and if your out of warranty the mod is then useless
I have always used 2 cr123a's for 6volt with never a misfire or problem plus being mechanical there's nothing that cannot be remedied with ease.
As for the magnet upgrade well at least you have a choice, mine all have magnets fitted as these will outlast me but they are not forced on you to buy with other mods you get one button that's not always mechanical and if that fails the whole mods no good and if your out of warranty the mod is then useless
A review really? sorry but thats a fail IMO
Am I the only one who did not hear a review but rather a gripe on the cost of batteries and optional add ons? key word optional,you don't have to buy any for the GGTB to work,tho a battery would be a good start I guess.
Here's a thought AW batteries maybe expensive but they'll last for years,sometimes expensive can work out cheaper in the long run.
I hate to tell you this but ultrafire are at best the worst battery you can buy IMO and in the long run can work out more expensive than AW's
If your not happy with your GGTB did you contact imeo first? I'm pretty sure he would've sorted your problem out,with respect I would have thought contacting imeo first would be the right thing to do.
I recommend anyone who wishes to see a GGTB review go to igetcha69 for a alternative opinion.
he makes a fine crapbox too,cheap to make only five dolla johnny! have fun all day long time
Am I the only one who did not hear a review but rather a gripe on the cost of batteries and optional add ons? key word optional,you don't have to buy any for the GGTB to work,tho a battery would be a good start I guess.
Here's a thought AW batteries maybe expensive but they'll last for years,sometimes expensive can work out cheaper in the long run.
I hate to tell you this but ultrafire are at best the worst battery you can buy IMO and in the long run can work out more expensive than AW's
If your not happy with your GGTB did you contact imeo first? I'm pretty sure he would've sorted your problem out,with respect I would have thought contacting imeo first would be the right thing to do.
I recommend anyone who wishes to see a GGTB review go to igetcha69 for a alternative opinion.
he makes a fine crapbox too,cheap to make only five dolla johnny! have fun all day long time
I have to agree that the title used was picked for dramatic effect and that the reviewer seems to have a bad attitude. I own a GGTB and it is my favorite MOD right now. I also own a Provari and a box mod. I like the Provari but it is BIG and heavy so it will stay at home (I am on my second one since my first one was stolen - I took it out with me one time! Wont happen again). I take my GGTB with me everywhere.
I like the simplicity of the GGTB. All mechanical. I like how easy it is to completely disassemble, clean, and reassemble this neat device. I really like the fact that it has a Lifetime warranty. The way you keep saying that "all I got was bubble wrap" even after being told that you have the lifetime warranty as well as being shown this fact bothered me. IMEO even tells you this himself and you still keep saying that crap about the bubble wrap! I am sure he will mail you a little card saying that you have the warranty if you ask nicely.
Overall, this is a good MOD in my oppinion and many others from my reading.
As far as the expense of the good batteries.......well, you get what you pay for. When I was working, I bought Red Wing safety shoes instead of getting cheep Walmart crap. Why? They lasted longer!!!! Walmart crap needs to be replaced every year (if they last THAT long) while the Red Wings lasted me for years. Hence, they were cheaper in the long run.
And yes, I agree that you should have contacted IMEO first about the switch instead of trashing the device. If he had not fixed it for you, THEN you would have a legit gripe. From what I have read him say, I think he would have taken care of you. GET IT FIXED!!!
IMEO, I say you have a GREAT device! Kudos to you for making and marketing it!
I like the simplicity of the GGTB. All mechanical. I like how easy it is to completely disassemble, clean, and reassemble this neat device. I really like the fact that it has a Lifetime warranty. The way you keep saying that "all I got was bubble wrap" even after being told that you have the lifetime warranty as well as being shown this fact bothered me. IMEO even tells you this himself and you still keep saying that crap about the bubble wrap! I am sure he will mail you a little card saying that you have the warranty if you ask nicely.
Overall, this is a good MOD in my oppinion and many others from my reading.
As far as the expense of the good batteries.......well, you get what you pay for. When I was working, I bought Red Wing safety shoes instead of getting cheep Walmart crap. Why? They lasted longer!!!! Walmart crap needs to be replaced every year (if they last THAT long) while the Red Wings lasted me for years. Hence, they were cheaper in the long run.
And yes, I agree that you should have contacted IMEO first about the switch instead of trashing the device. If he had not fixed it for you, THEN you would have a legit gripe. From what I have read him say, I think he would have taken care of you. GET IT FIXED!!!
IMEO, I say you have a GREAT device! Kudos to you for making and marketing it!
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I don't need a warranty I need someone to replace this junk button
this button that three separate reviewers have pointed out does not function correctly.
YouTube - The GGTB - Hardware PV review
YouTube - How To Mod The GG TB Button To Activate a 100% Now
YouTube - Kobold's GGTB home button fix.
This button that grinds, misfires due to some design flaw (I think the spring) and generally has a hard time between figuring out if it wants to lock or fall off.
this button that three separate reviewers have pointed out does not function correctly.
YouTube - The GGTB - Hardware PV review
YouTube - How To Mod The GG TB Button To Activate a 100% Now
YouTube - Kobold's GGTB home button fix.
This button that grinds, misfires due to some design flaw (I think the spring) and generally has a hard time between figuring out if it wants to lock or fall off.
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