A question about Nicotine Strength and Wattages

[davidpaul24120]

Been trying to find an answer to this for a while and can't find anything.

My question is if you smoke 3mg at 60w, are you consuming twice as much nicotine as you would be smoking 3mg at 30w, as you're burning the juice twice as fast? (Twice the wattage = twice the nicotine consumption?)

And so by this logic, smoking 18mg on 10w would be the same as smoking 3mg on 50w?

If not, how does this work?

Thanks

 

[DPLongo22]

Without overthinking it, concentrate on the amount of juice you consume. The "mg" designation is somewhat misleading (don't worry about why that is, at least not for now), and know that the actual representation is in percentages.

What we routinely call "3mg" is actually .3% nicotine (100mg = 10%).

In fairness, you might drive yourself crazy with calculations (analysis paralysis), so I'm wondering, are you very concerned about your nic intake? If so, why?

I certainly wouldn't drink it in large quantities, but if you're not experiencing sweats, irritability, or are getting nauseated, you're probably fine. If you ARE experiencing any of those things, cut back. You can do that with either lower strength or vaping less often.

For what it's worth, I've been vaping 15-18mg (1.5-1.8%) for 11+ years with no ill effects. Low wattage (by today's standards), but still vaping 5'ish mgs per day at that strength. I hang in the 9-12w range.

I can't even remember what it feels like to smoke, but I remember that I knew I was dying a bit more with each drag. 35 years of smoking wreaked havoc (in many ways). Vaping corrected almost all of them.

 

[Territoo]

Keep in mind that a higher wattage, especially at subohm resistance, creates more clouds. This juice that is being used but not absorbed into the body. So therefore, a higher percentage of the 18mg/ml juice at 10 watts is absorbed than that of the 3mg/ml at 50 watts.

BTW, the correct term is vaping, not smoking.

 

[davidpaul24120]

Those are both excellent answers. Thankyou both.
Basically I feel like I'm consuming too much nicotine, I have been using a pod device with 20mg nic salt, so I recently bought a subohm tank and have been using 3mg on a higher wattage, under the impression I'm consuming less nicotine, and that's what led me to think am I really consuming less nicotine given its a higher wattage and burning liquid alot faster.
Admittedly I don't enjoy the subohm device as much, and so can I ask how would this compare to 10mg or even 5mg in the same pod device?

 

[DPLongo22]

Basically I feel like I'm consuming too much nicotine.

Are you having symptoms or are you just set off by the numbers?

 

[AXIOM_1]

Those are both excellent answers. Thankyou both.
Basically I feel like I'm consuming too much nicotine, I have been using a pod device with 20mg nic salt, so I recently bought a subohm tank and have been using 3mg on a higher wattage, under the impression I'm consuming less nicotine, and that's what led me to think am I really consuming less nicotine given its a higher wattage and burning liquid alot faster.
Admittedly I don't enjoy the subohm device as much, and so can I ask how would this compare to 10mg or even 5mg in the same pod device?

The trouble with vaping is there are lots of variables and one variable can affect another variable..... Not only that but each person's body responds differently to not only how well it absorbs nicotine through the lungs but also how the immune system deals with the nicotine. Some people can handle a lot more nicotine than other people.... What works for me may not work for you......

With that said, I will tell you about my vaping style/nicotine use which is way different from many people here but some people may do it a similar way..... I am a high wattage vaper most of the time and so I use a lower amount of nicotine in my juices.... Somehow along the line, vapers have sort of adopted a 3mg standard for high wattage vaping.... Where that dosage came from is unknown to me.... I do NOT adhere to that 3mg standard and the reason is because even though it provides me enough nicotine with high wattage vaping, it does not provide a throat hit and so does not fully satisfy me.

So, I use 7mg of nicotine in my juices for high wattage vaping as it provides a slight throat hit that I crave and which 3mg does not provide.......... It also causes me to vape less as I get plenty enough nicotine into my system at 7mg with high wattage....... I also do MTL vaping at anywhere from 12 to 18 watts and whenever I do MTL then I use juices at 12mg/ml......... I have tried going above 7mg while doing high wattage vaping but the throat hit is way too strong plus I get nic sick fairly fast.....

 

[Territoo]

Those are both excellent answers. Thankyou both.
Basically I feel like I'm consuming too much nicotine, I have been using a pod device with 20mg nic salt, so I recently bought a subohm tank and have been using 3mg on a higher wattage, under the impression I'm consuming less nicotine, and that's what led me to think am I really consuming less nicotine given its a higher wattage and burning liquid alot faster.
Admittedly I don't enjoy the subohm device as much, and so can I ask how would this compare to 10mg or even 5mg in the same pod device?

My advice to you is to vape what is pleasing to you. If you feel that you are getting too much nicotine, then you can very gradually reduce the amount of nicotine that you use by reducing the strength. If you are using commercial juice and the drop from one strength to the next lowest strength is too great of a drop, then buy one bottle of each strength and mix them together. For instance, if you are vaping 24mg/ml and the next strength available is 18mg/ml, you can mix them in a 50:50 ratio and get 2 bottles of 21mg/ml. Save some of your old bottles to help with mixing. If you learn to DIY your own juice, then you can use a juice calculator to make whatever strength you desire. To answer your question, there are too many variables between subohm and pods to make any comparison, like the dirrences in juice consumption, juice strength, whether it's nic salts or free base, your body's reaction to nicotine... The best thing is to listen to your body. Vape enough to stave off cravings without getting nic sick, then, again, start gradually reducing the strength. If you find that you are vaping more often to keep up with the cravings, then you are going too fast.

 

[GeorgeS]

While it can be generally said that very low wattage/power setups put out less vapor than high power/wattage setups I'm sorry but you have a illogical relationship. (nicotine-power)

The above generalization is just that (a generalization) and is not always the case. Power does not magically equate to vapor output.

Surface area, temperature, airflow and wick saturation more directly control vapor output.

If you are ingesting 2x the vapor with the same nicotine level juice then your ingesting 2x the nicotine.



g.

 

[Territoo]

If you are ingesting 2x the vapor with the same nicotine level juice then your ingesting 2x the nicotine.

I disagree with this statement. Output is not equal to adsorption. Yes, if you double the output, then you increase the concentration of nicotine in the lungs. However, there are too many other variables to say that doubling the concentration doubles the adsorption. Such things like body size, the amount of lung surface area, lung disease such as COPD, the body's metabolism of nicotine, etc., can influence the adsorption of nicotine.

 

[tj99959]

I simply vape by taste. First I tried 24mg juice. Three draggs in I had the spins, cold sweat, headache, and dizzy.
So I cute the nic in half. 12mg and it worked well. I felt good and no cravings at all.
12 years later I still use 12mg nic juice, and at 8-7 watts depending on battery voltage ATM. (mechanical mod)
Simply put, I vape exactly the same as I used to smoke.
Lighter got replaced by a battery, and cigarette got replaced by an atomizer.

 

[TARTARA]

Welcome on ECF @davidpaul24120

 

[AXIOM_1]

I simply vape by taste. First I tried 24mg juice. Three draggs in I had the spins, cold sweat, headache, and dizzy.
So I cute the nic in half. 12mg and it worked well. I felt good and no cravings at all.
12 years later I still use 12mg nic juice, and at 8-7 watts depending on battery voltage ATM. (mechanical mod)
Simply put, I vape exactly the same as I used to smoke.
Lighter got replaced by a battery, and cigarette got replaced by an atomizer.

Yeah I am the same way whenever I do MTL because I also vape at 12mg........ I usually vape higher wattage though and then I use 7mg............

I can remember the first time I ever took a hit off of any type of vape device... I forget what they call them but they looked just like cigarettes with a yellow filter.... The filter was some type of a cartrige because when the thing quit working then you would replace the filter....... Anyway, just like you, the first one I took a hit off of was also 24mg and it about blew my head off LOL......... I thought "to heck with this" LOL...... I immediately started doing a bunch of reading and started making my own juice from the very start...... I also bought other atomizers that I could put the juice into rather than buying those disposable devices....

 

[Territoo]

My experience with the early cigalikes was different, but you are talking 2009. They were weak and lower concentration of nic than today. To me it didn't replace a cigarette, but I could see the potential. I went online, found ECF, and the rest is history

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Welcome to ECF, davidpaul24120.

 

[DPLongo22]

My experience with the early cigalikes was different, but you are talking 2009. They were weak and lower concentration of nic than today. To me it didn't replace a cigarette, but I could see the potential. I went online, found ECF, and the rest is history

I bought into that same time too. Smoke51 or SmokeAnywhere or whatever it was. Pret-ty bad stuff.

 

[AXIOM_1]

My experience with the early cigalikes was different, but you are talking 2009. They were weak and lower concentration of nic than today. To me it didn't replace a cigarette, but I could see the potential. I went online, found ECF, and the rest is history

I am trying to remember when it was that I tried those cigalikes or whatever they are called..... I joined ECF in 2015 but I vaped lots of years before I ever found this place.... I have vaped for 10 or 11 years and so it would have to have been around 2012 when I tried those miserable things.... Yuck!

I was just wanting to quit smoking and I seen some in a store and bought them thinking that it would help me quit. I was so naive that I did not even know they were 24 mg until after the fact LOL..... Plus the first time I tried one there was some horrid type of tobacco flavor in the thing..... Not only that but there was hardly any visible vapor produced. I seen the potential though and so I jumped online and researched more about vaping and I found one single web site that discussed about how to make juice. So, I have basically made my own juice from the very start.

 

[Territoo]

I am trying to remember when it was that I tried those cigalikes or whatever they are called..... I joined ECF in 2015 but I vaped lots of years before I ever found this place.... I have vaped for 10 or 11 years and so it would have to have been around 2012 when I tried those miserable things.... Yuck!

I was just wanting to quit smoking and I seen some in a store and bought them thinking that it would help me quit. I was so naive that I did not even know they were 24 mg until after the fact LOL..... Plus the first time I tried one there was some horrid type of tobacco flavor in the thing..... Not only that but there was hardly any visible vapor produced. I seen the potential though and so I jumped online and researched more about vaping and I found one single web site that discussed about how to make juice. So, I have basically made my own juice from the very start.

I guess most of us can thank cigalikes for introducing us to vaping. The trouble with those early cigalikes is that they turned many people off of vaping, those who could not see the potential and/or didn't bother to do their research. I used to tell smokers to avoid the convenience store and go online to buy their first ecig. Most couldn't be bothered with that and continued to smoke.

 

[GeorgeS]

I disagree with this statement. Output is not equal to adsorption. Yes, if you double the output, then you increase the concentration of nicotine in the lungs. However, there are too many other variables to say that doubling the concentration doubles the adsorption. Such things like body size, the amount of lung surface area, lung disease such as COPD, the body's metabolism of nicotine, etc., can influence the adsorption of nicotine.

Since your breathing it in your ingesting it - maybe not adsorbing it but surely ingesting it.

Know how words are defined much?

g.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Since your breathing it in your ingesting it - maybe not adsorbing it but surely ingesting it.

Know how words are defined much?

g.

I think what @Territoo was trying to indicate was about absorption...... You are both correct...... There are a lot of variables in vaping and nicotine absorption is just one of them..... Also, a lot of nicotine absorption is done in the mouth rather than lungs.............. Yes, when you increase the power, the amount of vapor entering the body is increased. This is why us high wattage vapers operate at lower nicotine levels. The throat hit at high wattage would be a killer which indicates that far more nicotine is entering the lungs at higher wattage................. The higher the power, the more vapor and the more of anything being atomized enters the lungs including nicotine........ But it is also true that not every person has lungs that absorb nicotine at the same rate due to chronic lung conditions and other factors.

 

[Territoo]

Know how words are defined much?

No need to get snarky.