A question for people who like tobacco flavors and add other flavors to them.

[brokepainter]

I love tobacco juices and I have been tring to make some different recipes with adding coconut or peanut butter to them. What I am trying to get is just a hint of the flavor on the exhale not a overwhelming flavor that kills the tobacco flavor. I've found that this is impossible with vanilla, or I haven't been doing it right. So that leads me to my question. What's the right way of mixing up a flavor tobacco? What I have been doing is mixing up a tobacco flavor then after it steeps I add a few drops of coconut and pray that I don't kill it. I have read that you shoulnt go past 10% of the flavoring so should I be doing 9 % tobacco and 1% coconut? Also if anyone has a good recipe for tasty tobacco juices feel free to post them also.

 

[bnrkwest]

What I do is another flavor with tobacco in the carto. Say fill your carto with tobacco, then add a couple drops of other flavor and see how it tastes. bnrk

 

[AzPlumber]

Not sure about the 10% advice you mentioned. Some tobaccos flavors are good at 1% and some need to be close to 20%.

I make base tobacco liquids that are good to vape on thier own before adding accent flavors.

 

[brokepainter]

Maybe that's where I'm going wrong. I might have them to strong then I add to much flavor and I fall off the edge.

 

[wootze]

[Could you describe how you do this?QUOTE=AzPlumber;503411
I make base tobacco liquids that are good to vape on thier own before adding accent flavors.[/QUOTE]

could you describe the process you use?

 

[mwa102464]

I start @ 2% with tobacco's I also use as little as a half a drop of some of the other flavoring extracts to achieve an undertone that I get either on my inhale or exhale, sometimes it is pretty amazing how the smallest amount that you wouldn't think would make a difference does and makes your Mix just right.

 

[AzPlumber]

Maybe that's where I'm going wrong. I might have them to strong then I add to much flavor and I fall off the edge.

Yep, that's how i started also and then it dawn on me, get the tobacco right first before you try to accent it.

wootze: what tobacco flavors are you trying to mix

 

[markfm]

Flavoring % depends on what you are working with. I tend to end up between 15 - 20% total using combinations of seedman, tpa, and natures flavors.

With tpa or nf get your tobacco clean then add about 2% of the plus-up flavor. Shake a lot, then sample.

About 15% seedman commercial, 3% tpa hazelnut, 2 drops tobacco absolute per 10ml can be nice. I'll vape some less tobacco-y blends using 12% tpa tob blend and 8% vanilla or a fruit.

 

[brokepainter]

Its so hard to figure what's right for each company and flavor. Starting out when you don't have any flavors to vape, and you don't have any flavors to steep. So I buy a flavor thinking man that will be good and I mix it, oh that's not strong enough. . . Well now its to strong maybe I'll add a touch of this... ban the juice is dead. Or the juice that tasted like tobacco now taste like a piece of vanilla or a cherry cough drop. Lol. The learning curve for this is very steep, I enjoy doing it but tring to get a good recipe made and waiting on it to be sure it will be good or get better is very tough. And it will be even tougher to get one right then add a touch of another flavor just for it to overwhelm the whole juice.

 

[markfm]

That's why I publish my mixes, to give people starting points. Anything I post has been tried by multiple people, isn't just something I thought was decent.

Some people will choose to make exactly the same thing, others will adjust the blend.

 

[brokepainter]

Thank you for your help. Im just bummed out about a mix I just destroyed with a cherry flavoring. This is the second time I tried to make a cherry cigar only for it to be to strong of cherry flavor. I wasn't saying anything about your recommendations , I was talking about what I had been going through. I'll try your flavor ratios for my next batch.

 

[Lyndagayle]

Thank you for your help. Im just bummed out about a mix I just destroyed with a cherry flavoring. This is the second time I tried to make a cherry cigar only for it to be to strong of cherry flavor. I wasn't saying anything about your recommendations , I was talking about what I had been going through. I'll try your flavor ratios for my next batch.

Every cherry flavor I have tried is extremely strong and very easy to overdo. When you get your tobacco mixed to your liking, pour about 3 ml into a separate bottle and add your additional flavoring at very low doses. This will keep you from messing up your entire batch. I learned that lesson the hard way and had to dump out several bottles that were good on their own but I thought a little dab of this will certainly make it better......I was wrong too many times to count.

 

[sjohnson]

Agree with making a base mix that pleases as the starting point.

Then, if you want to add various flavor notes, start with as little flavor as you can add. Someone mentioned half a drop.

For instance, two of my flavor notes for tobacco are licorice and chocolate. I first make a base mix (right now it's Inawera Gold Ducat 50%/Flavourart Cuban Supreme 50% in a volumetric strength *I* like). In 15 ml of this base, I add only two drops of FA licorice and one drop Perfumer's Apprentice chocolate. I cannot taste distinct licorice OR chocolate in the resulting blend, but the flavor is richer.

If you can taste the minor flavors as distinct flavors, you've added too much IMHO.

 

[brokepainter]

That's what I'll do next time. It is amazing how a few drops in a batch can over ride a big volume of flavor.

 

[XMit]

That's what I'll do next time. It is amazing how a few drops in a batch can over ride a big volume of flavor.

This is one big revelation I've had recently and Str8 has been preaching as well. If you hit your mark you'll know it. Most of the mixes I have made, when there is too much flavoring the profile weakens and I get a waxy consistency and a Dimethyl Sulfide flavor (rancid cooked vegetable). Nine times out of ten, if my flavor is too weak, I used too much.

 

[markfm]

Another big thing is once you get close, put the eliquid aside, ideally for at least a day. I vape a pretty simple vanilla tobacco all the time, and even the morning after it is made there will be a discernible difference in flavor, the vanilla comes through stronger.

 

[brokepainter]

That's one thing I have noticed but I haven't got it right yet. Vanilla goes along way with just a little.

 

[Tona Aspsusa]

What I do is another flavor with tobacco in the carto. Say fill your carto with tobacco, then add a couple drops of other flavor and see how it tastes.

This is an interesting approach, and I hit upon this quite by accident.

I went a bit overboard on flavourings when I started vaping and mixing - and now when I look at all my bottles of flavouring I just feel overwhelmed, where to start, where to start?

But I thought I should at least mix a few non-tobacco liquids, just to try what that is like. So I did a few days ago, one Mint and one Orange (can't tell you the manufacturer unfortunately, these are from twojliquid.pl who do sell Flavourart's tobacco flavours, and says their other flavours are also of "Italian origin", but here say these aren't Flavourart, but mixed in Poland from Italian and German ingredients.)
The recommended dilution of these flavours are 10-15 drops per 10ml, which I took to mean 5% and upwards (if 1 drp=1/20 ml then 1 drp/ml would be 5%). So I mixed 10ml at 5% flavouring.

So I tasted these in my dripping atty and thought "hmm, mja-eh, nice, but... perhaps, don't really know if I want to fill up a clean new carto with either of these... "
But then I looked at my already used cartos, a few top-ups away from needing a good boiling. And a clearomizer filled with a commercial liquid that had been OK-ish as zero nic, but turned horrible when cut 50/50 with nic (very weird, cutting it brought out this yucky perfumy-soapy scent and taste). So I thought, these are already either bad or close to being too dirty, why not add a little bit of this orange to that one and little bit of mint to this one?
(I had also just filtered and diluted my first experiment in extracting something from tobacco, so that went into these too.)

Of course when you do this, you will not get a consistent flavour from your carto (and even less from the clearomizer, weirdly enough). What you will get is a rough idea of how the flavours work together. Something to file away for further refinement later - I am now convinced I will at some point try to do a tobacco mix with some orange in it, something I would probably not have thought of if not for this sloppy experimenting.

(When I was really wet behind the ears and had just got my stuff I foolishly thought I could experiment with batches as small as 1ml = an eGo-T tank... Not a good idea. Definitely not.)

 

[Tona Aspsusa]

Agree with making a base mix that pleases as the starting point.

Another thing that I have found *very* useful is to have an small (mine is 10ml) bottle of unflavoured liquid of your preferred strength and mix (PG/VG) handy at all times. And maybe a bottle of non-nic as well.

It's not only useful for "washing out" the previous liquid when dripping, it is also very useful for the kind of casual testing I talked about with old cartos.

Right this minute I'm not *really* testing stuff, I am just vaping. But by topping up my carto with unflavoured liquid, or by refilling my eGo-T with half unflavoured and half my own dilute extract plus one drop Hangsen D'doff no-nic (which is exactly what I just did), I get to try things in different concetrations.
By doing this weird un-systematic topping-up, alternating no-flavour, my current menthol-mint experiment and my diluted extraction, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I need to treat the menthol-mint to some more Virginia, and in the future dial down the mint quite a bit, though not as much as I first thought.

It's nice to feel that even the mindless vaping while reading or posting will be useful when I next mix something "for real".

 

[brokepainter]

That's a very good idea, and I won't be wasting so much juice.