A question for people who like tobacco flavors and add other flavors to them.

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Hello broke. I noticed that myself with my vanilla juices, after steep its just like vanilla became alot stronger that I was expecting, even using 2 or 3 drops. What I am doing is to use a mix of different tabacco flavors, and that seems to work for me (my taste at least).

I dont like tabacco by itself, I prefer something sweet and vanilla fits perfect, the only problem is that if too much you get a perfume thing that you cant taste anything. Too little and you will get something not sweet, not vanilla. The perfect combination for me so far is using Vanilla butternut (LorAnn) or French Vanilla Delux (TPA) with 3 drops per 10ml, and use at least 4 drops of tabacco flavor.

Maybe this tip will not help too much because I am trying to mix some more complex juices and so far and had 5 success and 20 failures

With tabacco flavors using the "hot water steep/mixing method" I noticed that after the 36hrs the flavor does not change anymore (3ml to 10ml batches, I didnt try a larger batch yet).

I also tried to mix an plain and simple vanilla juice (no nic on the testing batch) and its one of my failures This is a really tricky flavor to mix by itself.

 

[markfm]

If you are still poking around for a good vanilla, you might try Natures Flavors, it's in their organic coffee flavoring system area. I use it in multiple things, really happy with it.

 

[brokepainter]

I'll have to look into that. I am just trying different flavors with my tobacco.I am wanting a lite taste with it.I really enjoy straight tobacco flavors but every now and then I want a little flavor with it,but so far everything I try ends up being to much.

 

[CCC]

I think you need to mix the flavour with the tobacco then let it steep, not add the flavour after the tobacco has steeped on its own. Look up some recipies that others have done to give you better ideas on ratios.

 

[Tona Aspsusa]

I think you need to mix the flavour with the tobacco then let it steep, not add the flavour after the tobacco has steeped on its own. Look up some recipies that others have done to give you better ideas on ratios.

Ha! I have no idea what I am talking about, but I would have said the opposite, lol.

Because if brokepainter's main problem is that s/he adds too much of the "spice" to his tobacco blends, and this "kills" them, wouldn't a better way to try to avoid that particular problem be to NOT add the "spice" until it is otherwise nice - maybe not perfect, but nice.
And THEN very carefully try a bit of vanilla, or chocolate or rum or whatever (orange!). If it was me I would even go so far as to first trying out whatever "spice" I wanted to use by mixing a very plain, very diluted juice out of it and testing how the nice and plain tobacco juice fit together with the plain "spice" juice. Just to get an idea of what type of "spice" goes with what type of tobacco blend, and in what kind of ratio.
If for instance 2ml tobacco blend (let's say flavourings at 7%) plus 1ml "spice" (flavour 5%) is OK, but a bit weak on the tobacco, I would know that what I want is something where for I have more than 6.3% tobacco flavour and around ~1.6% "spice flavour". If I'm confident it won't be horrible I might doing that next, if not I might faff around some more with mixing my tobacco blend with my "spice" liquid at different ratios.
Or if my 3ml experiment above was totally hopelessly overpowered by the "spice", I would know that I need to try something with maybe just 0.8% "spice". And so on.

Looking at recipes is probably good, but one need to read carefully and remember that not all flavourings are of equal strength. Or one might read "typically 15-20% flavouring is a good percentage", and go ahead and mix a liquid with 7% (halving the lower end of the recommendation to be careful!) of a FA tobacco... Which is what I did.

 

[pinellaspete]

I have found the mix order matters a bit. I use NIC/PG but you may use NIC/VG.

This is how I mix:

Measure and insert into bottle NIC/PG. (Okay, cap and put away the NIC now, we are done with it. Safety first!)
Add all flavors including tobacco.
Measure and insert into bottle VG.
Measure and insert into bottle PG.

At this point you will actually be able to clearly see a line where the flavorings are located. They will be sandwiched between the NIC and the VG. The flavors will be directly exposed to the NIC and VG. I think that it is hardest to dilute the flavoring into the VG so why not make sure you have direct contact when you start your mix? This has seemed to help speed up the steeping time just a bit. The juice still needs steeping though.

Cap and shake bottle, then shake some more.

I would start out small with the "hint of flavor" in the initial mix, then add more in a few days if you think it is needed. If you add flavor though, you really should allow the juice to steep for another day, shaking it frequently before sampling again.

That's why it is so important to write down your recipes. It is a major PITA and time consuming to get them right.

Good luck!

Pete

 

[brokepainter]

I definitely think that's where I go wrong. I don't let it steep, I do set it in hot water a shake it some. But I don't give it enough time to mix and steep. If I taste it and it don't seem right a I add a drop more, then I shake and taste it again. I usually keep this routine up till I pour the juice down the drain and go to bed mad. Lol


What everyone is saying is very good advice. I will try to be more patient, but man its so hard when your at work and think about different mixes that might work and rush home try it and you think oh its so close just a bit more. Lol

 

[brokepainter]

I definitely think that's where I go wrong. I don't let it steep, I do set it in hot water a shake it some. But I don't give it enough time to mix and steep. If I taste it and it don't seem right a I add a drop more, then I shake and taste it again. I usually keep this routine up till I pour the juice down the drain and go to bed mad. Lol


What everyone is saying is very good advice. I will try to be more patient, but man its so hard when your at work and think about different mixes that might work and rush home try it and you think oh its so close just a bit more. Lol

 

[brokepainter]

Well ,Im not sure how I made a double post there. Oops