Tobacco Base Question

[Rudy426]

I have a question that I hope you all can chime in on.
If I make a tobacco only base mix
Lets say.. 75pg - 25vg , 12mg and 8% tobacco flavor in a 30ml bottle and let it steep.
Then along comes a recipe that I like that uses that tobacco.
Can I add the different flavors to it.
Lets say the recipe calls for
xxxx at 3%
xxxx at 2%
xxxx at 2%
tobacco at 8%

Lets say that I make a 5ml test bottle of this recipe.
Would I be able to pull 5ml from my tobacco base and then just add the required flavor drops as needed.
Or is the tobacco base considered diluted since it is already mixed with the pg/vg and nic and will be at a lower %.
Then will I need to add more tobacco to get my 8%
Thanks

 

[WallyO]

That's what I do. I make a big bottle of TFA DRY4 at 10% and add other additional flavors later in small batches. The adding of flavors is actually diluting the bacco percentage but it is very minimal and nothing to worry about to me.

 

[Rudy426]

Thanks for the reply. So much to learn

 

[dannyv45]

I don't see any problems with that. I often will take an existing tobacco mix and add flavors to it to try different things when I need a change of pace. At this point constant NIC strength is not as important to me as enjoying the flavor of the vape.

 

[john333]

I don't see any problems with that. I often will take an existing tobacco mix and add flavors to it to try different things when I need a change of pace. At this point constant NIC strength is not as important to me as enjoying the flavor of the vape.

I bounce around with 12mg and 18mg and don't tell any difference. The nicotine grip is much less intense when compared to smoking. I googled pseudo-nicotine and found something called D-nicotine. Unfortunately I am not a chemist and couldn't figure out what I was reading. What I was hoping to find was a pseudo nic that would duplicate the TH effect without the addiction factor.

 

[Aheadatime]

I don't do it like this, even though theres nothing wrong with it. The only issue I have with this is that you're inevitably going to get less of the flavor that you mix then when you vape it solo. Example -

10% Tobacco mix tastes great.
Add 20% Fruit mixture.
Now Tobacco mix is only 80% as 'strong' as you'd like it, which may or may not turn out good.

Sometimes I've done this to great success, and other times I've ended up weakening all flavors involved to the point that I don't taste anything. The issue is that the more flavors you add at various %'s, the weaker the tobaccos get (and those other flavors as well). Sometimes, you like to have 2 or 3 flavors on full blast rather than 3 flavors at 1/3 strength each.

I personally like to just play the guessing game as to how much tobacco should remain in the mix. If a tobacco is good at 5% but I plan on adding a little of this and a little of that at various percentages, I'll start at 4% and see if that's good. Sometimes I even end up raising the original tobacco % to make it work, perhaps to 5.5%. I dunno, but when I leave myself with no options outside of decreasing %s, it feels limiting.

 

[dannyv45]

The only issue I have with this is that you're inevitably going to get less of the flavor that you mix then when you vape it solo.

For the most part you need a tobacco base to start with. When I mix my ry4's I always keep my tobacco base percent in mind and base my additional flavors on that base percent. For instance

I know my tobacco base is 7%

If I want to add a bit of sweetness to it I may want to use some caramel. So I think to myself do I want just a slight topnote then I'll start with 1% knowing that I'll have a slight topnote and the tobacco will still be the prodominent star. Do I want a candy sweet tobacco then I'll add 3% knowing I'm now going to cut the tobacco taste a lot and have a sweet prodominent caramel topnote.

Or do I want to add just a little nuttyness to a tobacco? Then you will add .5% - 1% AP or do I want a lot of nuttyness then you would add 2% or more.

It all comes down to knowing your flavors and how they will combine. Having the foresight to know how it will taste before you even combine flavors.

For this you must know what each individual flavor taste like. So for those that like to buy flavors and never taste them individually well your on the road to disaster.

 

[Aheadatime]

I agree with you, but sometimes you want more than .5-1% of an additional flavor. In one of my tobacco mixes, I have a total of 10.75% flavoring and only 4% of that is tobacco. This same tobacco tastes good at around 4.5% solo, so if I had began adding flavors into a pre-mixed 4.5% batch, by the time I reached the total ~11% flavoring, the original tobacco may have been less than 4%, leaving me to wonder what went wrong. As I said, sometimes adding multiple pre-mixed juices can work great, but other times its best to build a recipe from scratch on a notepad rather, as it leaves you more room for 'robust' combinations.

 

[Rudy426]

This is why I started this thread. I sat and thought about this for many hours trying to figure out what I wanted to do.
I like what Danny has to say. If I want to try just a little of flavoring than pull a small sample and go for it.
What you are saying Aheadatime makes perfect sense. How much tobacco taste an I going to lose and if the recipe will be off.
My main goal is to let them steep and then get a taste for that tobacco and then make a whole new recipe from scratch, hopefully knowing what things will taste like as an end product. Baby steps... I guess you call it.

 

[dannyv45]

I think you have a good plan there.