A realistic view amid the panic

[crxess]

The difference is, I buy stuff when it's to my advantage to do so instead of when I need to. My last purches was a $200 N-Zonic for 15 bucks. Before that, a couple of Provaris' for 30 bucks each. I can take advantage of those 'deals' because I don't NEED to buy anything.

Isn't a purchase a purchase regardless of when?
Sorry, I've been set up for a long long time now also, but those that have spent, like us, on other life necessities and now have Extra cash should have no problem justifying a Spend now attitude. Prices are Fair and the market is still streaming along............at this point

 

[Zutankhamun]

I agree with crxess. In fact, it seems as though those who are waiting to the last minute get better value for money than ppl who bought everything yrs ago. My sig 150 tc cost £50, my rdna40 was used but cost bout £20. My higher end gear is still expensive.

 

[440BB]

I haven't seen any signs of price gouging myself. It does seem many newer good items are at great prices. Someone posted the idea that some vendors are freeing up cash to make a run at the newest goodies to come out over the next 75 days. I'm fine with that and will try to help them when they blow stuff out!

 

[house mouse]

Speak for yourself.

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LOL

Tapatyped

That'll be a hot mess if it ever unspools itself.

 

[tj99959]

Isn't a purchase a purchase regardless of when?
Sorry, I've been set up for a long long time now also, but those that have spent, like us, on other life necessities and now have Extra cash should have no problem justifying a Spend now attitude. Prices are Fair and the market is still streaming along............at this point

Yup ... I have no problem with that. It's still just buying when you want to instead of because you have to.

Those that only buy when they have to are the ones that will one day find themselves up a creek & revert back to smoking. (problem is that is a huge percentage of people that vape)

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I'll admit, I'm just as guilty as the next person before I start. I've bought mods and tanks "just in case" and stored nic, probably way too much to use before it goes bad. It's just part of the mentality that can't be avoided right now.

So, where am I going with this?

I've contemplated what exactly is happening here. Much of what the FDA is doing is pretty much never going to fly in its entirety. Especially the gear part. Remove the nic and there is absolutely nothing there to regulate. Here is how I see it panning out as a huge back fire on the Government, BT, BP and the FDA.

The work arounds that have come up just on this forum in the LAST FEW DAYS could cripple the efforts of the FDA, and those are just the underhanded ones. What if a vape shop sold no nic and labeled their products as not to be used with nicotine, kind of like other shops listing their products as to be used only with tobacco products, ya right. Now the "other" shop does not sell the "intended" product but can still legally sell their wares, knowing full well what they will be used for. Why will a vape shop be any different, we will just have to source our own nic like the others have source their own, well, "other".

The war on drugs has been going on since the Reagan era. Yet shops sell drug paraphanallia every day....you think they can shut down vape gear sans nicotine, no way can it be legally done.

Are things going to be exactly the same, no, most likely not. Are times going to get to the point where we all need to just go back to smoking or quit altogether without choice? No, I don't see that either. Remember, you can still but smokes, tax free, in many places through legal loopholes. Guess what, nic is gonna be the same, there will also be the black or gray market for nic.

If you want to get all upset about a government over stepping its bounds, go for it. If you think our rights are being intruded upon, you're right. If you think the days of having a choice to vape or not is coming to a close, well, then you may be over reacting.

Nobody can stop you from thinking what you want. The problem is that others read and follow you off the cliff.

 

[Two_Bears]

Na .... haven't overreacted.

I've been prepared for this since Njoy went at it with the FDA.

The upside of being prepared shows up every month when there is cash left over after I've paid my bills.
So far being prepared has bought all new kitchen appliances for the wife, a great vacation in Park City, and a nice wedding for my youngest daughter.

So you just go ahead and spend all your hard earned cash at the local vendor or online month in & month out, and I'll just keep on being prepared.

The difference is, I buy stuff when it's to my advantage to do so instead of when I need to. My last purches was a $200 N-Zonic for 15 bucks. Before that, a couple of Provaris' for 30 bucks each. I can take advantage of those 'deals' because I don't NEED to buy anything.

Absolutely. By being prepared yoy have the freedim ti scarf up the deal oc tge Century when it comes along.

 

[Jdurand]

Nobody can stop you from thinking what you want. The problem is that others read and follow you off the cliff.

Off what cliff? The cliff of not spending money on the wrong things? Ya, let's all stock up on wire and cotton. Spend the money now on the stuff you know are most vulnerable to regulation........hey, just a hint....that would be nic and rta's, possibly a mod or two extra just in case you loose one.

C'mon everyone, follow me off the "I can vape forever if I want" cliff......

 

[ENAUD]

Yup ... I have no problem with that. It's still just buying when you want to instead of because you have to.

Those that only buy when they have to are the ones that will one day find themselves up a creek & revert back to smoking. (problem is that is a huge percentage of people that vape)

Just wanted to take a second and thank you for your sig line, you see, way back I read those words and they rang true to me, I learned to get the most that I could out of my Protanks, and then when the RSST didn't click with me, I stuck with it, till I figured out to punch out the wick hole so that cotton would wick better without the insulation and the larger channel afforded, same with some other gear along the way, a little enlargement of an airhole or some other little tweek to improve whatever was lacking. I made up my stash of mostly yesterdays latest and greatest at bargain prices because folks were so willing to dump gear to fund new stuff. That and clearance sales...yeah, it may not be the latest and greatest but it gets the job done.

 

[GaryInTexas]

Just wanted to take a second and thank you for your sig line, you see, way back I read those words and they rang true to me, I learned to get the most that I could out of my Protanks, and then when the RSST didn't click with me, I stuck with it, till I figured out to punch out the wick hole so that cotton would wick better without the insulation and the larger channel afforded, same with some other gear along the way, a little enlargement of an airhole or some other little tweek to improve whatever was lacking. I made up my stash of mostly yesterdays latest and greatest at bargain prices because folks were so willing to dump gear to fund new stuff. That and clearance sales...yeah, it may not be the latest and greatest but it gets the job done.

I'll agree with all of that. Clearance sale is like a dinner bell to me. I don't have any problem ordering a 2014 Kayfun since I'm sitting here in 6 year old boots and 4 year old jeans. Haven't been in style or up to date since the 1960's so old and obsolete fits me just fine.

 

[crxess]

Off what cliff? The cliff of not spending money on the wrong things? Ya, let's all stock up on wire and cotton. Spend the money now on the stuff you know are most vulnerable to regulation........hey, just a hint....that would be nic and rta's, possibly a mod or two extra just in case you loose one.

C'mon everyone, follow me off the "I can vape forever if I want" cliff......

I placed a Trampoline at the bottom................... Get off my lawn

joking

 

[beckdg]

That'll be a hot mess if it ever unspools itself.

I have spare smaller spools, pencils, black tape, a drill and a wife.

That spool won't ever be used for anything but making smaller spools.

No worries.

Tapatyped

 

[Two_Bears]

I'll agree with all of that. Clearance sale is like a dinner bell to me. I don't have any problem ordering a 2014 Kayfun since I'm sitting here in 6 year old boots and 4 year old jeans. Haven't been in style or up to date since the 1960's so old and obsolete fits me just fine.

IM sitting here in 7 year old pants and a 4 year old shirt.

As long as a mod or Atty gives me a satisfying vape and keeps me off the stinkies; i dont care if it is brand new or obsolete.

 

[440BB]

Everything I use would get laughed out of a cloud competition and most local vape shops.

I will still be using these great vapes when both are just a memory. I have enough to help a few friends that are serious about quitting smoking in the future. With a half hour of training, they will be set for years to come also.

 

[Two_Bears]

Everything I use would get laughed out of a cloud competition and most local vape shops.

I will still be using these great vapes when both are just a memory. I have enough to help a few friends that are serious about quitting smoking in the future. With a half hour of training, they will be set for years to come also.

As long as my vape keeps me off the stinkies that is all that matters.

 

[mattiem]

I have to kinda chuckle when I read about something being obsolete or that a device that was the hot item 6 months ago is old school and this new device is sooooo much better because.........I learned a very long time ago to work with what I have and make it work for me.

I think a lot of us that have walked this blue marble in the sky for many many moons learned the hard way that it takes work and discipline to manage our finances and learned a long time ago to be happy with last years fashions. I was never one to even try to keep up with the latest and greatest.

I also learned to NEVER spend all I had coming in. Even if I could only save $10.00 a month I would save that $10.00 and forget I even had it. It is to easy to spend it if you think about it. Trying to instill this idea into some folks seems to just go in one ear and out the other. I have tried to get family members to try doing it but they just can't seem to grasp the concept. They are like most of the gotta have it now crowd and if they have money in their pocket, they gotta spend it.

I have never payed any interest on my credit card. In fact my CC company actually pays me to use it. The points add up to cash. The well known secret to successfully using a CC is to pay it off every month. That is another thing that takes discipline and sadly it seems discipline isn't being taught these days I do understand just how easy CC's can get folks in trouble because they are so easy to use but if used carefully they can be a great tool.

I am still using and enjoying my Vision Spinners. Still using the very first ones I bought over 3 years ago and they are still going strong. I also use isticks. The 20's weren't so good so I went to 30's and expect them to last for many years. I also have several external battery devices for when/if the hits the fan. I even have a couple of mechanical devices (I won one of them and the other was a gift) and several different RBA's as a very last resort. I really don't think getting flavoring for DIY e-liquid is going to be a problem. The only things I have concentrated on stockpiling/hoarding is nic, toppers and battery holders. I can't see anything else being grossly taxed or regulated out of existence. JMHO

I found toppers/atomizers that I like and stocked up on them. I learned how to rebuild the coils for them so am set for the rest of my life for very little investment. The way I worked around the gotta have something different......I bought lots of different colors of my favorites

Planning for what the FDA is trying to do to us came easier to us that have always known to buy when on sale even if you don't need it right now and to be satisfied with what you have instead of chasing the wind.

For all of y'all that are just starting out my advice would be to buy some 100mg/ml nicotine and put it in your freezer (you can find how I store mine in my blog). I feel like the nic is going to be the choke point and I don't think you can beat today's price. I would also get some VG and PG. I don't expect it to be hard to get but I don't trust the FDA not to end up requiring manufacturers to add something to it to change the taste thus making it unvapeable. Once you get it, spend some time over in the DIY e-liquid part of this forum. You can find everything you need to know to make your own over there.

 

[Gramdogg]

Doesn't sound Too Bad to me.

"2. Section 2 of P.L.2008, c.91 (C.2A:170-51.6) is amended to read as follows:


2. a. No person, either directly or indirectly by an agent or employee, or by a vending machine owned by the person or located in the person's establishment, shall sell, offer for sale, distribute for commercial purpose at no cost or minimal cost or with coupons or rebate offers, give or furnish, to a person:

(1) a cigarette, or any component part thereof, which contains a natural or artificial constituent or additive that causes the cigarette or any smoke emanating from that product to have a characterizing flavor other than tobacco, clove, or menthol; or

(2) any electronic smoking device or any cartridge or other component of the device or other related product, including a liquid refill, that has a characterizing flavor other than tobacco, clove, or menthol.

In no event shall a cigarette, electronic smoking device, or any cartridge or any component part thereof or other related product, including a liquid refill, be construed to have a characterizing flavor based solely on the use of additives or flavorings, or the provision of an ingredient list made available by any means.

...

3. This act shall take effect immediately."

S298

And Hey... There are still Legal, right?

Doesn't sound Too Bad to me.

"2. Section 2 of P.L.2008, c.91 (C.2A:170-51.6) is amended to read as follows:


2. a. No person, either directly or indirectly by an agent or employee, or by a vending machine owned by the person or located in the person's establishment, shall sell, offer for sale, distribute for commercial purpose at no cost or minimal cost or with coupons or rebate offers, give or furnish, to a person:

(1) a cigarette, or any component part thereof, which contains a natural or artificial constituent or additive that causes the cigarette or any smoke emanating from that product to have a characterizing flavor other than tobacco, clove, or menthol; or

(2) any electronic smoking device or any cartridge or other component of the device or other related product, including a liquid refill, that has a characterizing flavor other than tobacco, clove, or menthol.

In no event shall a cigarette, electronic smoking device, or any cartridge or any component part thereof or other related product, including a liquid refill, be construed to have a characterizing flavor based solely on the use of additives or flavorings, or the provision of an ingredient list made available by any means.

...

3. This act shall take effect immediately."

S298

And Hey... There are still Legal, right?

Yup, not sure about NJ but they did the same things here years ago too. We just made it so you have to be an adult to enter a vape shop so flavouring that attract kids argument was null. We already went through alot in the past 7 years and none of it stuck around for long, we fight for our rights and win or find loop holes everytime.