A really bad video and article

[Traver]

The tobacco inustry makes them? Really11

"These products have been out too new to really know the science. The tobacco industry that makes them they're not doing any science on it, so who knows what's really in it," says Dresler.

What are e-cigarettes? | todaysthv.com

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[Nicko]

I read it, tried to comment and failed. Mostly an absurd article. I think it's official - journalism has died, not only in America but all around the world. Reporters care zero for actual balanced reporting. They tend to care even less for the truth.

 

[Thulium]

Wow! It wasn't nearly as negative as I feared, but the producers of that piece are so poorly informed its actually pretty funny. What did he say at the end? "Currently e-cigarettes are labeled as therapeutic products. If the FDA is successful in regulating them, they will then fall under tobacco products and will be regulated like cigarettes."

 

[atomizer mizer]

The reporter at the beginning has his email addy as mmmm.Maybe sending him some real information might help. I suspect the cigarette industry made that report.

The tobacco inustry makes them? Really11

What are e-cigarettes? | todaysthv.com

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[Traver]

Wow! It wasn't nearly as negative as I feared, but the producers of that piece are so poorly informed its actually pretty funny. What did he say at the end? "Currently e-cigarettes are labeled as therapeutic products. If the FDA is successful in regulating them, they will then fall under tobacco products and will be regulated like cigarettes."

Not so much negative as misinformed.

The same for the video.


"These are an electronic device that you put a cartridge inside that contains nicotine and heaven knows what else," says Dr. Carolyn Dresler.

"These products have been out too new to really know the science. The tobacco industry that makes them they're not doing any science on it, so who knows what's really in it," says Dresler.

A one time purchase price of $140 for an e-cig, plus a weeks worth of filters for no more than $30, would bring it's yearly cost to around $1,400.

"You have to really pull on it to feel it," says Burgess, who says he would not pay $140 for one.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

"These products have been out too new to really know the science. The tobacco industry that makes them they're not doing any science on it, so who knows what's really in it," says Dresler.

"Doing any science on it"?? There's dumbing down, but that Doctor is just ridiculous. Where did she get her degree in medicine from?? The internet?

 

[StormFinch]

"Doing any science on it"?? There's dumbing down, but that Doctor is just ridiculous. Where did she get her degree in medicine from?? The internet?

This is out of Arkansas so, probably. It took 3 doctors and 2 months for my oldest son to be diagnosed with the bilateral hernias he was born with. The doctor that botched my second delivery and the pediatrician that misdiagnosed the resulting stroke my youngest had because of said delivery have both moved to AR to practice. Unless a good doctor is from here and loves the state enough to come back, we typically get the latter 50% of the graduating classes.

Sorry, I'm griping, aren't I?

Yay, VocalEK got in to comment!

 

[DataPhreak]

Oh snap! that's out of my hometown!

Edit: Okay, I already had an account, so i had no problems posting a response. Here's what I wrote. I'm sure some of it is inaccurate, but it is what it is.

Craig, i'm really disappointed in you and your writers. There are so many inaccuracies in this report, I won't even be able to get into them with 2000 characters.

First, what I want everyone who is reading this needs to know, the device that was used in this report is a cheap mall kiosk verson of the E-cig that is not highly respected among the E-cig community. It's overpriced, does not perform half as well as products half it's price, and is designed with entirely proprietary hardware. The claim that a cartridge is equivalent to a pack of cigarettes is also inaccurate.

While there are cartidges that do reach the equivalent, roughly, of a pack of cigarettes, these most certainly do not. $30 for a "carton" of cartridges is also highway robbery. The average price for prefilled cartridges is between $10 and $15 dollars for a "carton" of five, and these cartridges generally hold twice the amount of liquid as their mall sold counterparts. Further, they come in many more flavors, literally thousands of flavors if you look at the catalogs of all of the vendors, which are provided in order to increase the success rate of those trying to make the switch. Finding a flavor that suits the person truely is the key to success.

It's a shame that the Dept. of Health still holds their stance in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I know for a fact that CASAA has attempted to contact them and provide them with research reports from scientists around the world on the efficacy of this product and its safety. They are a non-profit organization set up to educate America about this device and its benefits.

The FDAs report that the devices contain Dietheline Glycol are misleading at best, and propoganda at worst. Only 1 manufacturer's product was found to have this chemecal, and it was not anywhere close to toxic levels. It may be found in antifreeze, but it is found in many other products as well, such as baby powder. Please educate yourself and correct th

And that's 2000 characters. =P Told you I wouldn't fit everything in.

 

[Traver]

Well I finally got a comment in using Safari instead of Firefox.

Traver4
2:37 PM on May 6, 2011
What are these red flags who are these health officials that Dresler found. I haven't seen any. Here are links to over a dozen of those studies:
Casaa.org - Harm Reduction

What tobacco companies making e cigs as far as I know tobacco companies aren't involved. The level of ignorance and false information in this article is just astounding. Perhaps the writer should take the trouble to do some research. Here's a good place to start:
Casaa.org - Harm Reduction

Unfortunately after all this frustration even with Safari I rushed it and put the same link up twice among other things.

 

[Thulium]

Oh snap! that's out of my hometown!

You've got mail!
I just got this in email:

Thad. . .lets get you on to talk about this. . .we have a 6:30 show

Whioch is interview based and offers a better opportunity to bring

Xome of these points to light.



Call me. . .




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Thad Marney
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:24 PM
To: Oneill, Craig
Subject: What are e-cigarettes?



Craig,



Your report What are e-cigarettes? | todaysthv.com on e-cigarettes is embarrassingly misinformed. You have stated, "Currently e-cigarettes are labeled as therapeutic products. If the FDA is successful in regulating them, they will then fall under tobacco products and will be regulated like cigarettes." With all due respect, that is utterly incorrect.



What you should have said is, “On April 25, the FDA reached the deadline to petition the Supreme Court and issued a statement indicating they have changed their policies to abide by the district and appeals court ruling and regulate e-cigarettes that are NOT marketed with therapeutic claims as tobacco products.”



Many other statements in your report are similarly false or misleading as there exists a substantial body of research on e-cigarettes. E-cigarettes are not lit on fire and thus do not produce any of the thousands of byproducts of combustion from smoking that are the cause of at least 99% of all the social and health hazards of smoking. Any possible risk of contamination in the minute quantities used by battery powered vaporizers is hardly worth mentioning in comparison to the known risks of smoking, but several e-cigarette manufacturers have conducted and published research on the contents and effects of so-called “electronic cigarettes”. I would like to encourage you to educate yourself on the available scientific research on e-cigarettes and direct any questions you may have to me or the CASAA media contact:

Http://ww.casaa.org/resources/
Media contact:
Elaine Keller, Vice President
703-244-8692
ekeller@casaa.org



The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association is a non-profit organization that works to ensure the availability of reduced harm alternatives to smoking and to provide smokers and non-smokers alike with truthful information about such alternatives. If you are interested in providing your viewers accurate information about e-cigarettes, please contact us for more information.



Best regards,

Thad Marney

 

[DataPhreak]

Sadly, I'm not in arkansas anymore. There are a few arkies around, but I don't know any specifically in Little Rock. For a public piece, they should probably try to set up a skype session with VocalEk. She's the foremost authority as far as I have seen, and the most active as far as getting out the truth, though i'm sure she would disagree. One thing I can say for channel 11 is that they do listen to the public, even if they are uneducated. Come on V! Get in there and show them how it's done.

 

[StormFinch]

Hey, Thad ain't no slouch himself!

Great going Thad. Please keep us updated on what you work out.

 

[DC2]

Looking forward to seeing how this plays out...

 

[latterday lenin]

"Doing any science on it"?? There's dumbing down, but that Doctor is just ridiculous. Where did she get her degree in medicine from?? The internet?

A better question is, what kind of Doctor has such terrible grammar that she says things like "out too new" and "they haven't done any science"?

 

[DataPhreak]

You asked for it.

 

[Vocalek]

Pretty music. I didn't get the references, though. Is Portal a video game, a science researcher, what? (Forgive me, I'm old!)

 

[Vocalek]

Hey, Thad ain't no slouch himself!

Great going Thad. Please keep us updated on what you work out.

I have every confidence in Thad's ability to present the information!

 

[DataPhreak]

Yeah, portal is a video game. That's the song from the end. It's about a computer that goes insane. Kinda like HAL. Great story. If you ever get a chance to watch someone play, it's worth it. There's no violence or blood, and it's built around problem solving.

As for Thad, I do too. Didn't realize he was a CASAA board member, and he's a good talker too. I've just never run across him on the forum, or don't remember it if i did. Just waiting for 6:30 central to roll around now.

 

[StormFinch]

I don't get the LR channels here Data. Let us know what happens!

 

[DataPhreak]

Sadly, i don't either. Thad's supposed to get an interview, though. I called Craig's cell, but didn't get an answer. We'll just have to wait and hear from Thad.