Elaine D. Keller article

[Traver]

There is an article in the fredericksburg.com by Elaine D. Keller. Needless to say this one is favorable to us.
Fredericksburg.com - Electronic cigarettes: Far safer than tobacco
I'm at a loss on what to comment on something like this. Any ideas.
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And a few more for your entertainment.
Here's one with a batch of videos. I haven't looked at them yet.
Is the electronic cigarettes craze really safe? - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL Home
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Another one on about school campus bans. I though this part was interesting "Laforge has seen parents come into the store and buy electronic cigarettes for their kids as a way to steer them away from the harmful chemicals in cigarettes.:
E-cig policy still unclear on campus – The North Wind

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[Vocalek]

Either they have re-published my letter to the editor (comments go way back) or they always display the current date at the top. It was fun to revisit this and read through the comments that have been left since the last time I looked.

 

[Traver]

Curious about how easily accessible they are to children under 18 the health district sent 15 and 16 year olds into stores to buy e-cigarettes. In 28 out of 29 attempts the teens were successful.
City, County Roll Out Minor Ban On E-Cigarettes - News Story - KXLY Spokane

Either they have re-published my letter to the editor (comments go way back) or they always display the current date at the top. It was fun to revisit this and read through the comments that have been left since the last time I looked.

I didn't notice that it was the same paper as the last one.

 

[kristin]

The question is - would they have gone to buy them if they HADN'T been sent? Or would they have been buying much deadlier cigarettes instead? Just because you send kids out to buy them and they are sold, doesn't mean real kids are trying to buy them on their own in any great numbers.

Although not ethical, there was no law against selling e-cigarettes to minors there, so the vendors weren't breaking any laws when those 28 bought them. Who's fault is that? The FDA, because they have refused to regulate them as tobacco products. For all we know, the vendors thought they were doing something good - misguided as it would be, they were keeping young people from buying cigarettes instead.

Curious about how easily accessible they are to children under 18 the health district sent 15 and 16 year olds into stores to buy e-cigarettes. In 28 out of 29 attempts the teens were successful.
City, County Roll Out Minor Ban On E-Cigarettes - News Story - KXLY Spokane






I didn't notice that it was the same paper as the last one.

 

[Traver]

It's just information on how easily teenagers can get e cigs. It would have been even more informative if they sent them out to buy cigarettes too. We don't even know if they got them through an adult or bought directly from a vendor and I'm not sure if it matters. They aren't breaking any laws but I do keep reading that e cig vendors don't sell to kids. If you read the article then you also have to conclude that those kids smoking cigarettes across the street from school property aren't having much trouble getting cigarettes either. They are illegal for kids. My opinion is that if they are going to smoke e cigs are a far better way to go.

 

[jtpjc]

So, they instruct CHILDREN to buy ecigs? Just to prove a GROWNUP point? Oh boy, are they in trouble. At least, I certainly hope so.

 

[Traver]

This one can use a few comments and you don't have register.
Health board in Madison County discusses proposal to ban electronic cigarettes
Health board in Madison County discusses proposal to ban electronic cigarettes :: The Republic

 

[MoonRose]

Health board in Madison County discusses proposal to ban electronic cigarettes

Here's what I posted in the comment section:

"We don't know that these are completely safe," Owens said.

Nothing in life is completely safe.

Water causes drownings, do we ban water? Open flames cause fires, do we ban everything that has a flame to it? Eating solid foods causes chokings, do we ban all solid foods? Exercise causes injuries, do we ban exercising?

Everything in this world has it's dangerous side if taken in too large a dose or not used/done properly, but that does not mean that we ban them. We give instructions on safe usage and warnings of potential harm or adverse effects when necessary, but we do not ban them unless they are proven to cause harm to the majority of people.

Electronic cigarettes have been available for public use since 2003 worldwide and became available in the US in late 2006, to this date, not a single death, injury or major ill effect has been reported. We cannot say the same for Chantix, which is FDA approved and now comes with a long list of possible severe side effects, and yet this dangerous drug is still on the market and is routinely pushed by doctors and pharmaceutical companies as the best stop smoking aid there is. When given the choice between a safer product that has shown, to date, no adverse effects that allows me to enjoy the benefits I get from the use of nicotine without the toxins found in smoke or the use of a drug with proven severe side effects that really is a "quit and/or die" product, I believe I will go with the electronic cigarette.

If we want to influence the children of this world about "not smoking", then what better way than for them to see the adults in their world using safer and healthier products. This would send the message to these children that the adults in their lives really do love them because they have made the choice to use something that is less harmful both to themselves and to those around them.

 

[my2heartboys]

It means that the stores were too lazy to card the kids like they would card them for buying analogs. This is one thing that MUST NOT change. When buying these, they must be treated in sales like analogs. Stores need to card for them just the same way stores would card for analogs.

Anne

Curious about how easily accessible they are to children under 18 the health district sent 15 and 16 year olds into stores to buy e-cigarettes. In 28 out of 29 attempts the teens were successful.
City, County Roll Out Minor Ban On E-Cigarettes - News Story - KXLY Spokane






I didn't notice that it was the same paper as the last one.

 

[my2heartboys]

Traver, I have one child who is now 18 years of age. That means that in our state he is legal to buy analogs. I catch him buying analogs, though, and I will be very angry with him (especially if I were to catch him buying for someone under age). If he chooses to start vaping, though, I guess then my opinion is that is better than smoking analogs.

I have another son who is 12, should I catch him buying either one of these things (or using my ecigs), lets just say there will be hell to pay on his part as he is under age for both.

Anne

 

[rothenbj]

Although the vendor should have better common sense, if it's not illegal in the state to sell them to minors, he/she is not required to do an age check. If you want to find fault, place it on the ?non-profit"health" associations that have fought every effort to treat them as tobacco products and pass legislation for underage purchases.

For them it's not about health or what's right, for them it's to protect their "employers", the Pharma industry. They're not looking for regulation, they want a ban.

 

[Traver]

Health board in Madison County discusses proposal to ban electronic cigarettes

Here's what I posted in the comment section:

It's a good argument. If we banned things we can't prove to be safe we would have to ban almost everything.

 

[Demarko]

It's a good argument. If we banned things we can't prove to be safe we would have to ban almost everything.

Proving something is 100% safe in the long run is like proving something DOESN'T exist like big foot. No one getting sick isn't proof. Nothing besides someone getting sick/dying would be proof - and that of course is proof that it is UN healthy. It's like not finding big foot - until someone actually finds one, there will be 2 sides to the debate.

 

[Traver]

It means that the stores were too lazy to card the kids like they would card them for buying analogs. This is one thing that MUST NOT change. When buying these, they must be treated in sales like analogs. Stores need to card for them just the same way stores would card for analogs.

Anne

Let's not jump to conclusions. These kids could easily get an 18 year old friend to do the buying.