A SMPL Explosion.

[Mr.Mann]

My whole point is a middle ground. Given how many experienced folk on the thread who didn't know this, I don't think this is a matter of plain idiocy. For most electronics stuff we buy there is some level of 'do not do these extremely bad things' type of instructions. It is not uncommon with computer tech for example.

I don't want to argue, both sides have valid points and I already made it clear that I am not gung-ho-regulate-away, just sucks this happened for the op. And given the current poltical climate is unfortunate for vapings reputation as a whole.

I can't believe I am going to say this (considering I agree with your sentiment), but I honestly don't think there is a middle ground. It's either we have what we have now, or it gets turned into something resembling the days of trying to decide between Greensmoke or Njoy. It's just too massive now to really get everyone on any one page about any one thing. There will always be shops and sites and forums selling/saying/recommending things they shouldn't, and these problems will happen; and vice versa, there will be those constantly trying to educate and inform. I hope the best for us and my heart goes out to vapers who have things like this happen! It must suck to experience this, especially if they got into vaping to try and reduce their harm.

 

[Lessifer]

Some food for thought. Here is an ordinary household product:

it looks innocuous enough, just a scent warmer. But therein lies the point, the bulbs of scented liquid are... LEFT HAND THREADED. Why would this be? Perhaps a responsible manufacturer saw the potential for someone to screw in a non compatible light bulb, overdriving the product to the point of failure. Simple answer, make it so the normal product won't connect, use a different attachment. That way, even secondary market purchasers won't be able to make a simple mistake and cause a fire or injury due to failure of an incompatibility issue. This is something that seems to be lacking in the e-cig industry, the foresight to mitigate incompatibility issues with products like the one which catastrophically failed for the OP.

edit, actually this is a terrible example, a light bulb wouldn't even complete a circuit in this device...

I think the mock hybrid mods are popular because they allow you to get the benefits of direct connection without having to use the atomizer that was specifically designed for a particular hybrid mod. Not saying it's a good thing, but I know I didn't like most of the atomizers that are part of hybrid combos.

Couldn't a small boilerplate piece of text like 'this is an advanced device for use with
Specifically designed atomizers. Use at your own risk.' Avoid the manufacturer assuming liability and guide new folks who haven't found this wonderful place/get bad info from a store? I'm not a lawyer and see your point completely, but I don't think relying on a message added on the website (maybe) is the best.

I know it can get to the silly point (this dishwasher is not intended to be eaten) but some simple info could really help people amd be great PR for the industry as a whole.. If it's always stuck on the mod/box

Most domestic sites have a boiler plate warning about advanced devices being for advanced users, not sure if the ones for this mod have a specific warning about the atomizers to be used, though I know some do. The issue would be b&m shops and foreign sites, most of the clone manufacturers probably don't even know that this type of mod has this issue, they just sell what people want to buy.

 

[madangus]

Aye. Well i hope if there can be no middle we get buyer beware versus philip morris chooses. If it has to be the choice. Sigh.

I try to be hopeful but it can be tough. Still i have 2 sigelei minis, 2 provaris and a hex ohm. And a bunch of pre made coils though i just got a couple of kayfun lites too so I can be self sufficient.

I'm going to start learning to coil build, get some nic base, start tweaking my own juice. Figure I can be good for a few years and absolute worst case enjoy the hell out of this during that time.

Makes me so mad for anyone who misses out on this if it all goes bad though.

 

[madangus]

I think the mock hybrid mods are popular because they allow you to get the benefits of direct connection without having to use the atomizer that was specifically designed for a particular hybrid mod. Not saying it's a good thing, but I know I didn't like most of the atomizers that are part of hybrid combos.


Most domestic sites have a boiler plate warning about advanced devices being for advanced users, not sure if the ones for this mod have a specific warning about the atomizers to be used, though I know some do. The issue would be b&m shops and foreign sites, most of the clone manufacturers probably don't even know that this type of mod has this issue, they just sell what people want to buy.

Lessifer, those are good points and per the legal mind in my family the whole liability/warning area is a lot murkier than I thought. I hope that all the positive stories i hear rise higher than incidents like this.

Thanks for the considered reply

 

[Mr.Mann]

Aye. Well i hope if there can be no middle we get buyer beware versus philip morris chooses. If it has to be the choice. Sigh.

I try to be hopeful but it can be tough. Still i have 2 sigelei minis, 2 provaris and a hex ohm. And a bunch of pre made coils though i just got a couple of kayfun lites too so I can be self sufficient.

I'm going to start learning to coil build, get some nic base, start tweaking my own juice. Figure I can be good for a few years and absolute worst case enjoy the hell out of this during that time.

Makes me so mad for anyone who misses out on this if it all goes bad though.

Before you buy that nic base, you know what you gotta do, right?! I spent about a year reading about mixing (just lurking in the DIY forum) before I ever bought nic. Not syaing you have to go that long (not at all really), but I am sure you get what I mean.

 

[madangus]

Before you buy that nic base, you know what you gotta do, right?! I spent about a year reading about mixing (just lurking in the DIY forum) before I ever bought nic. Not syaing you have to go that long (not at all really), but I am sure you get what I mean.

For sure and i appreciate it. I will be lurking a wee bit more before I make my order, the sticky wicket will be i'm in an aprtment now so probably won't get a lot ... Just a year or 2s worth i can keep in a cool dark corner. Mostly i feel like after a decade of a pack of camels a day, the great states of il and mi have gotten enough taxation from my 'sins' lol.

 

[Monotremata]

Wow! Glad your ok Papillon and thanks for posting this! Ive been eyeing the Wotofo SMPL clone and was ready to get one but I think Ill play it safe now and just get another Sigelei Mini instead! Granted Ive got a Derringer I was planning to put on it but, that thing is getting its .... kicked by my Samurai Bonsai clone and about to go to the retirement box and Im not even about to risk an incident like this with it. If I ever do decide to get a mech now, it definitely wont be the SMPL.. Ill take the slight voltage drop of a proper top cap anyday over the risk of blowing my face up just because one of my attys pins wasnt long enough.

 

[Maytwin]

Hope you have a much better day today Papillon. I've learned a hell of a lot from this - things I knew absolutely nothing about. Because of the up-and-coming TPD here in Europe I've been thinking about getting some sort of mech mod and I now know what to avoid.

 

[sonicbomb]

Firstly, I'm really glad OP didn't get hurt.
My first post on ECF was because I blew up and Efest battery in a hybrid style mod. I knew about the dangers, but I got complacent and lazy and payed the price with burns to my house and hands, a trashed mod and a lung-full of toxic smoke.
The SMPL has been my goto mech for a few months now, and when I read this thread I realized that I was beginning to let that same complacency creep back into my safety regimen. So thanks OP for giving me another wake up call.
The hybrid style top on the SMPL allows it to be simple and short. However depending on what top cap assembly you compare it to, it doesn't actually make an enormous difference to the voltage drop.

 

[Lessifer]

I haven't been using my 4nine clone as much lately, not because of the hybrid top, I bought atties specifically for that, but because my clone doesn't have adequate venting. That's another thing that isn't discussed as much as it used to be.

 

[cindycated]

Do people buy guns without doing research?

I not only did a ton of research to choose the right one, and the correct ammo, but took a safety class, learned to clean it, and went target shooting several times with a very informed friend.

Honestly, if people are buying guns and don't even know what ammo to use, I am speechless. Let Darwin do what it will.

I do hope this thread does show people its important to do the research before buying advanced vape gear. Vape gear isn't a gun, but it can seriously still injure you or someone else. Please become informed before making purchases. And ask questions. Members here will help you.

If I didn't know anything about electricity, I would not have known to specifically ask about the protruding pin thing. I wish they'd just include one of those cards with the pics of right and wrong pins posted earlier with this type of mod. Seems to be the main cause of a lot of bad things that happen and every time I see it, I think how much uglier it could've gotten.

 

[Lessifer]

If I didn't know anything about electricity, I would not have known to specifically ask about the protruding pin thing. I wish they'd just include one of those cards with the pics of right and wrong pins posted earlier with this type of mod. Seems to be the main cause of a lot of bad things that happen and every time I see it, I think how much uglier it could've gotten.

I didn't know much about electricity, but when I first heard of this type I wondered how it wouldn't short. My curiosity made me look into it. A picture or note would be nice, and the authentics may even come with something. Clones would be a different matter.

A picture may not always help though, some of the sub tanks have spring loaded pins. It will look like it protrudes far enough, but push on the button of the mod and you push the battery up, depress the pin and away she goes...

 

[RandyF]

This is the reason I retired my SMPL. A mech seemed like a good idea, but I quickly learned regulated is just better all around, and safer....for the most part

 

[Lessifer]

This is the reason I retired my SMPL. A mech seemed like a good idea, but I quickly learned regulated is just better all around, and safer....for the most part

None of our gear is inherently safe, you just have to learn how to use what you have.

The threads about regulated mods auto firing or worse after being dropped are what keep me using mechs.

 

[cindycated]

Me too.

 

[RandyF]

None of our gear is inherently safe, you just have to learn how to use what you have.

The threads about regulated mods auto firing or worse after being dropped are what keep me using mechs.

Yea, that's why I threw in "....for the most part." Some of the regulated mods these companies put out are just awful, but you keep seeing thread after thread of people having the same problems.

Hybrids will never go away, but the risk/reward just doesn't make them worth it.

 

[roxynoodle]

Yep, one of my regulated mods set on fire just sitting in my vape stand. Safer? Hard for me to say they are. We like to hope so, but not always.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Yea, that's why I threw in "....for the most part." Some of the regulated mods these companies put out are just awful, but you keep seeing thread after thread of people having the same problems.

Hybrids will never go away, but the risk/reward just doesn't make them worth it.

It's like anything else but much more dangerous. I love the almost zero VD with my Manhattans. I am paranoid careful with my gear. I am always checking for heat. If I put the mod down I listen to the the atty to make sure it's not firing. On my mech tubes, I pull the battery if I am sensing heat build up. I maintain my batteries and gear making sure they are clean and functioning properly. Vape store clerks don't even know the ratio relationship of mls to mg of nicotine. Counting on them not to sell someone an Apollo mod with a Nautilus tank is silly. I am glad the OP was not severely injured here.

 

[Robino1]

No matter where you sit on this issue, this thread has been a marvelous learning tool. I, personally, did not know anything about these types of mods. Probably because I don't have any interest. BUT, now that I have been educated, I know a little more and can help when I see someone talking about hybrids and what to watch for.

I commend Papillon for accepting that they may have inadvertently caused the issue that they had. For being the one to ask what they might have done to have this happen so they don't make the same mistake again.

This has opened a whole new discussion on how we can help others when we see someone recommending this type of mod.

 

[paulparnham]

sigh so many people using hybrids and they don't know what they are doing with them.
I have the copper smpl and copper praxis and never had a problem with them.
as long as the 510 connector sticks out by about 2millimetres from the Threads on the bottom of the atty there wont be a problem.
I don't use attys with less than 1.5mill sticking out