A SMPL Explosion.

[InTheShade]

After reading this thread, I've come to the conclusion that there are 15 million things I could say.

At the top of that list is: I'm very glad the OP is alive and mostly well.

Well said Jman8, while I think the discussion is relevant to the OP's original post, I too will just say I am glad the OP got away with a bruised leg and I thank them for posting.

 

[k2zs]

@k2zs I've been looking for these. Who has them now?

madvapes had them. I had to put them in a bench vise and squeeze the brass fitting down to about 1.5mm thick though.

 

[edyle]

In today's consumer market, physical compatibility implies electrical compatibility. This particular connector is incompatible with many 510 atomizers, and the mode of failure is catastrophic. Therefore, in my opinion, the quasi-hybrid mod 510 connector is an inherently unsafe design.

I once had an external hard drive that had a PS/2 plug for the power supply. After moving my PC, I connected everything, and when I tried to plug in the PS/2 keyboard to the motherboard, I accidentally connected the power supply instead. Pop it went, and the motherboard was fried. Yes, it was my own fault, but I still think the design of the power supply connector was very poorly thought out.

The quasi hybrid 510 mod design is equally poor, but in this case you don't just risk ruining a few hundred dollars worth of hardware. This time around, it is a threat to the health of the user, and to other people nearby.

^^^^^^^
This. Unsafe design.

It's not just a bad design that could lead to failure of function; it's a bad design of a safety nature.

 

[Bootiewootsy]

I certainly gained a lot of knowledge from this thread. Thanks to all for their advice..
Hugs to op...

 

[inswva]

If it fits, it should work. This is the understanding of an average consumer. A 510 thread on a hybrid mod is in my opinion, an accident waiting to happen. Let's take the Glock for example, what if it could accidentally discharge if a wadcutter or semi-wadcutter round was chambered. In this make believe scenario, it was intended for hardball ammo only, it is the users responsibility to know this beforehand? I'm not proponent of legislation by any means, but looking at the Zen hybrid for example, great measures were taken to insure that only a compatible attie could be affixed to it. Taking the let's make everything work with this concept was foolhardy at best, reckless at the extreme. It just seems like a bad idea to me.

Again, yes, it is the user's responsibility to understand how to safely employ any product they choose to use. I'm not sure why the concept of individual accountability is becoming an arcane concept. There will always exist unscrupulous manufacturers and vendors who neglect to inform uneducated consumers. But, folks are all too eager to blame someone else when their own lack of understanding in product usage results in a malfunction.

And, to be clear, I'm not talking about inherently defective products. I'm simply addressing under-informed consumers casting blame on a product they simply didn't know how to use safely or effectively. In this age of instant information, there really isn't much of an excuse to not perform even the slightest amount of research regarding using a product which may carry even a hint of risk. Due diligence, you know?

 

[ENAUD]

Again, yes, it is the user's responsibility to understand how to safely employ any product they choose to use. I'm not sure why the concept of individual accountability is becoming an arcane concept. There will always exist unscrupulous manufacturers and vendors who neglect to inform uneducated consumers. But, folks are all too eager to blame someone else when their own lack of understanding in product usage results in a malfunction.

And, to be clear, I'm not talking about inherently defective products. I'm simply addressing under-informed consumers casting blame on a product they simply didn't know how to use safely or effectively. In this age of instant information, there really isn't much of an excuse to not perform even the slightest amount of research regarding using a product which may carry even a hint of risk. Due diligence, you know?

I'll just agree to disagree with you on this one. My opinion was just that, an opinion. Let the cards fall where they will.

 

[inswva]

I'll just agree to disagree with you on this one. My opinion was just that, an opinion. Let the cards fall where they will.

Fair enough.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Here is the
warning on Epics website:

 

[cindycated]

Again, yes, it is the user's responsibility to understand how to safely employ any product they choose to use. I'm not sure why the concept of individual accountability is becoming an arcane concept. There will always exist unscrupulous manufacturers and vendors who neglect to inform uneducated consumers. But, folks are all too eager to blame someone else when their own lack of understanding in product usage results in a malfunction.

And, to be clear, I'm not talking about inherently defective products. I'm simply addressing under-informed consumers casting blame on a product they simply didn't know how to use safely or effectively. In this age of instant information, there really isn't much of an excuse to not perform even the slightest amount of research regarding using a product which may carry even a hint of risk. Due diligence, you know?

This particular slip though is really easy to miss. Not enough people know about the dangers of having both the negative (510 threads) and positive (center pin) on the atty touch the battery. I happen to do a lot of electrical work, so I did know. But I've also done a lot of reading here on ECF and this issue with protruding pins on pinless top caps (SMPL, 4Nine, hybrids,...) has come up a lot.

We're kind of a grass roots kind of bunch. Not a lot of our stuff comes with instructions, we try stuff out, we make mistakes, and we share the experience with others in threads like this one. Hopefully enough people will read these threads and things like this will happen less and less.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Right. It happened to a fairly experienced vaper. It could have happened to me, I know quite a lot now but I don't know how much I don't know.

Here is the a
warning on Epics website: View attachment 461021

Glad VaporDNA and other sites did that, but there are of course other sites where it says no such thing. Unlike 510 threading, there is nothing universal about warnings on vape-sites regarding this. Not saying it should be, just that it ain't. First site I went to: Phantom Mod by Wotofo - Eciggity

 

[madangus]

unfortunately this is one reason we need some regulations. hybrid mods are dangerous and should not be on the market.If businesses won't regulate themselves and stop selling unsafe products then that opens the door for government regulation.center pin mechanical mods are safe and many of us use them with no problems.my nemesis cost less than $11 and has worked well for me. I know enough about electronics to be concerned about regulated mods. pass transistors can short and can exploded when feeding a short or high current load.their are other threads here about the locking on which could overheat a sub-ohm atty and cause a fire or battery explosion. glad you were not hurt too badly and thanks for posting this thread. it may serve to warn others about a dangerous product.

Glad the op is ok! Wouldn't a simple warning message on red paper in the box do it - or taped to the mod itself? I get that regulation may end up being a posion pill, but if everyone did that it could completely avoid the need. Could that be the 1 regulation that ends up being enforced if folks can't volunteer for it?

Been vaping 3 months, LOVE it, absolutely the best alternative to cigarettes avoiding crappy patches/withdrawl etc. And the current deeming 2007 date to name but 1 thing makes my blood boil.

BUT c'mon 1 red slip - a wee picture or at least a blurb that says hey this is meant for pros, you need this kind of pin. If you do not understand this you are recommended to find a regulated/more beginner level device.

Regulation can be awful, but there has to be a middle ground.

 

[ENAUD]

Some food for thought. Here is an ordinary household product:

it looks innocuous enough, just a scent warmer. But therein lies the point, the bulbs of scented liquid are... LEFT HAND THREADED. Why would this be? Perhaps a responsible manufacturer saw the potential for someone to screw in a non compatible light bulb, overdriving the product to the point of failure. Simple answer, make it so the normal product won't connect, use a different attachment. That way, even secondary market purchasers won't be able to make a simple mistake and cause a fire or injury due to failure of an incompatibility issue. This is something that seems to be lacking in the e-cig industry, the foresight to mitigate incompatibility issues with products like the one which catastrophically failed for the OP.

edit, actually this is a terrible example, a light bulb wouldn't even complete a circuit in this device...

 

[ElevenEleven]

Five minutes of research would've told you what you needed to know. Its ignorant to buy something based only on a recommendation.

We're glad you're okay, OP.

 

[madangus]

This mod has been discussed at length in these forums. It is an advanced mod for users that understand its design and are knowledgeable of exactly how it works. Blaming this on the mod or the manufacture is only trying to release the user of his personal responsibility in the use of the device.

Sorry this happened to you Pappi, but this should be a good warning to those who would like to use this mod and use it safely. Its a perfectly safe device when the user understands how it works.

If the manufacture included instructions then he would have to prove that each user has read such instructions and understood OTHER principles involved, and the legalize involved would quickly get out of hand and the maker would probably be sued at some point. The blanket statement that it is an advanced device says it ALL!

Couldn't a small boilerplate piece of text like 'this is an advanced device for use with
Specifically designed atomizers. Use at your own risk.' Avoid the manufacturer assuming liability and guide new folks who haven't found this wonderful place/get bad info from a store? I'm not a lawyer and see your point completely, but I don't think relying on a message added on the website (maybe) is the best.

I know it can get to the silly point (this dishwasher is not intended to be eaten) but some simple info could really help people amd be great PR for the industry as a whole.. If it's always stuck on the mod/box

 

[WharfRat1976]

Couldn't a small boilerplate piece of text like 'this is an advanced device for use with
Specifically designed atomizers. Use at your own risk.' Avoid the manufacturer assuming liability and guide new folks who haven't found this wonderful place/get bad info from a store? I'm not a lawyer and see your point completely, but I don't think relying on a message added on the website (maybe) is the best.

I know it can get to the silly point (this dishwasher is not intended to be eaten) but some simple info could really help people amd be great PR for the industry as a whole.. If it's always stuck on the mod/box

Well yea... it should be idiot proofed as well.

 

[madangus]

basically, when ecigs started is when the whole experimenting and getting blown up was necessary to help prevent future mishaps, with regulated mods out there, 'mech mods' are basically dinosaurs, there is really no point in a vaper to go back and use mech mods unless you are a vaping enthusiast. Regulated mods perform better and are safer. The only positive you get from a mech mod nowadays is portability (although it makes no sense because you really arent suppose to put your mods in your pockets or in unsafe areas with other objects), or just because it 'looks cooler than a box'.

one of the reasons people used mech mods was because there was no way to get 100+watts out of the early regulated mods. The only way to get a good cloudy/warm build was to build subohm and get direct voltage from the battery to increase the wattage. With mods out that are 100/150/200watts now, there really is no point for mech mods anymore. Even the new regulated mods can handle lower builds than any battery in a mech mod can support.

I wonder if deeming goes through as is, if there could be more mechanicals sold to avoid regulations.. And hence more public harm. Argg.

 

[madangus]

Well yea... it should be idiot proofed as well.

My whole point is a middle ground. Given how many experienced folk on the thread who didn't know this, I don't think this is a matter of plain idiocy. For most electronics stuff we buy there is some level of 'do not do these extremely bad things' type of instructions. It is not uncommon with computer tech for example.

I don't want to argue, both sides have valid points and I already made it clear that I am not gung-ho-regulate-away, just sucks this happened for the op. And given the current poltical climate is unfortunate for vapings reputation as a whole.

 

[Rcajun]

Glad to hear yo are ok. I know when I got a stingray clone they mentioned the hybrid top that was included in the box. Hey did not say anything about center pins or anything. When I got home I pulled the hybrid top out and looked it over. Looking over what I had at the time in term of attys and figured using the hybrid top did not appear to be something I was comfortable using.

This thread and a few others I have seen have reinforced what I thought about this connection type.

I've since switched over the VW mods, it got old bringing all my batteries with me to work. Thought at that time I might need to start wearing a gun belt loaded with 18650s.

 

[roxynoodle]

Do people buy guns without doing research?

I not only did a ton of research to choose the right one, and the correct ammo, but took a safety class, learned to clean it, and went target shooting several times with a very informed friend.

Honestly, if people are buying guns and don't even know what ammo to use, I am speechless. Let Darwin do what it will.

I do hope this thread does show people its important to do the research before buying advanced vape gear. Vape gear isn't a gun, but it can seriously still injure you or someone else. Please become informed before making purchases. And ask questions. Members here will help you.

 

[madangus]

I just got a 4nine. I did`nt get it until I had been vaping for 11+ months and already had the SMPL. I did`nt get it early on simply because I did not know what I was getting into. Its like a SMPL but with the added "issues/potential danger" of a magnetic switch. Now that I have it (and know what I`m doing with it), I marvel it is simplicity, its durability, all the things that make it such a unique mod.

I just spoke to my wife who has a law degree and she explained the disclaimers don't disown any company of responsibility. So there goes my naive little idea.

Thanks all for the info in the thread