A study about free radicals in ecigs, I hope Dr. F gives some guidance

[sofarsogood]

Half way through the long article it finally says, "They found that e-cigarettes produce high levels of highly reactive free radicals that fall in the range of 1,000- to 100-times less than levels in regular cigarettes." But the spin of the article is that this is a significant new threat. Penn State is tax supported. All tax supported institutions despise ecigs because they are a funding threat.

Potentially dangerous molecules detected in e-cigarette aerosols | Penn State University

 

[LaraC]

"The levels of radicals that we're seeing are more than what you might get from a heavily air-polluted area but less than what you might find in cigarette smoke," Richie said. The radicals are produced when the device's heating coil heats the nicotine solution to very high temperatures.

... heats the nicotine solution to very high temperatures... hmmmm

Would be interesting to see the charts as the temperatures were raised in that "study." Sounds suspiciously like another crank-it-up until everything is charred fiasco... a la the poorly done "formaldehyde" debacle.

 

[sofarsogood]

The radicals are produced when the device's heating coil heats the nicotine solution to very high temperatures.... heats the nicotine solution to very high temperatures... hmmmm

Would be interesting to see the charts as the temperatures were raised in that "study." Sounds suspiciously like another crank-it-up until everything is charred fiasco... a la the poorly done "formaldehyde" debacle.

I missed the high temperatures part. Typical. If the $800 billion smokers hand over every year around the world declines rapidly it's going to be disruptive. There's just no other explanation for all the goofy science and the journalists willing to promote it.

 

[nicnik]

Half way through the long article it finally says, "They found that e-cigarettes produce high levels of highly reactive free radicals that fall in the range of 1,000- to 100-times less than levels in regular cigarettes." But the spin of the article is that this is a significant new threat. Penn State is tax supported. All tax supported institutions despise ecigs because they are a funding threat.

Potentially dangerous molecules detected in e-cigarette aerosols | Penn State University

Maybe the link should be broken. Even though it's good news, it's deceptively spun to be bad.

 

[nicnik]

I missed the high temperatures part. Typical. If the $800 billion smokers hand over every year around the world declines rapidly it's going to be disruptive. There's just no other explanation for all the goofy science and the journalists willing to promote it.

That, plus many people love to hate.

 

[CarolT]

"National Institute on Drug Abuse of the National Institutes of Health and the Center for Tobacco Products of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration funded this research. (P50-DA-036107)."

In other words, it's made-to-order for the charlatans to justify persecuting e-cigs. And here's the boodle they get for it: $3,869,769

- NIH RePORTER - NIH Research Portfolio Online Reporting Tools Expenditures and Results

That was just currently active grants under that number. They've actually gotten $11,664,098, just since 2013!

- NIH RePORTER - NIH Research Portfolio Online Reporting Tools Expenditures and Results

 

[CarolT]

Half way through the long article it finally says, "They found that e-cigarettes produce high levels of highly reactive free radicals that fall in the range of 1,000- to 100-times less than levels in regular cigarettes." But the spin of the article is that this is a significant new threat. Penn State is tax supported. All tax supported institutions despise ecigs because they are a funding threat.

Potentially dangerous molecules detected in e-cigarette aerosols | Penn State University

No, that's a bogus story that "Penn State is tax supported. All tax supported institutions despise ecigs because they are a funding threat." Those goons were given millions of dollars by the FDA Center for Tobacco Products itself! And Joshua E. Muscat, the Principal Investigator, is considered a valuable asset of Penn State because he brings in those $$$$$$$$.

 

[sofarsogood]

No, that's a bogus story that "Penn State is tax supported. All tax supported institutions despise ecigs because they are a funding threat." Those goons were given millions of dollars by the FDA Center for Tobacco Products itself! And Joshua E. Muscat, the Principal Investigator, is considered a valuable asset of Penn State because he brings in those $$$$$$$$.

Government research grants are also tax support because taxes provided the money. The entire scientific community is bought and paid for. There is no ethics in american science. May be there was before the days of big government.

 

[CarolT]

Government research grants are also tax support because taxes provided the money. The entire scientific community is bought and paid for. There is no ethics in american science. May be there was before the days of big government.

But that study on e-cigs is just part of their project, which is primarily about attacking traditional (tobacco) cigarettes. It would be dunderheaded to say that "All tax supported institutions despise tobacco cigarettes because they are a funding threat." The truth is that the money power of freedom-hating health fascists controls the politicians, who multiply its quantity many times over by committing our tax dollars to their cause. That government money pours into the pockets of corrupt charlatans who are more than happy to give them the ammunition they want for their war on us. (And I think that's a good metaphor for those so-called research labs - they're really just ammunition factories serving the Office on Smoking and Health at the CDC and its puppet on tobacco at the FDA.)

 

[bigdancehawk]

They put out these press releases with alarmist headlines which are instantly spread all over the interwebs. But it's impossible to find the actual study. And by the time the study is available it's too late to explain that it's methods were flawed, or some of the results are anomalous, or that the press release doesn't fairly reflect the results. The popular media has already moved on to the next alarming press release.

In any case, and even assuming this press release is correct, you'd have to vape the equivalent of 5-50 packs of cigarettes to get the same quantity of free radicals as you'd get from one cigarette. In other words, if I'm reading this correctly, 5-50 days of heavy vaping is no more harmful than a few minutes of actual smoking.

 

[Kent C]

And by the time the study is available it's too late to explain that it's methods were flawed, or some of the results are anomalous, or that the press release doesn't fairly reflect the results.

True, but fortunately we have guys like Bill G and others as well as our science guys who do respond, because inevitably all the bad stuff will be recycled and then we have a response.

 

[Verdant]

I woke up to read this garbage on RT, what are they even referring to when they reference aerosols? Not to mention the wording they continually use seems to reference combustion NOT vapor, whatever ends up happening it isnt going to stop me or others...If they want a Prohibition black markets will arrive that simple.

 

[bigdancehawk]

I woke up to read this garbage on RT, what are they even referring to when they reference aerosols? Not to mention the wording they continually use seems to reference combustion NOT vapor, whatever ends up happening it isnt going to stop me or others...If they want a Prohibition black markets will arrive that simple.

E-cigarettes produce a mist of very fine liquid droplets which is technically what an aerosol is. In chemistry, "vapor" is defined as a gas produced by boiling or evaporation of a liquid (like steam) and would ordinarily not be visible.

 

[VNeil]

Half way through the long article it finally says, "They found that e-cigarettes produce high levels of highly reactive free radicals that fall in the range of 1,000- to 100-times less than levels in regular cigarettes." But the spin of the article is that this is a significant new threat. Penn State is tax supported. All tax supported institutions despise ecigs because they are a funding threat.

Potentially dangerous molecules detected in e-cigarette aerosols | Penn State University

Assuming the basic tests are legit and they didn't carbonize a wick to get them, does this mean that vaping is 99.0 - 99.9% safer than smokes?

 

[this is my name]

E-cigarettes produce a mist of very fine liquid droplets which is technically what an aerosol is. In chemistry, "vapor" is defined as a gas produced by boiling or evaporation of a liquid (like steam) and would ordinarily not be visible.

This is technically correct, which is the best kind of correct!

 

[this is my name]

Assuming the basic tests are legit and they didn't carbonize a wick to get them, does this mean that vaping is 99.0 - 99.9% safer than smokes?

I'm no calculus professor but looks right to me.

 

[sofarsogood]

E-cigarettes produce a mist of very fine liquid droplets which is technically what an aerosol is. In chemistry, "vapor" is defined as a gas produced by boiling or evaporation of a liquid (like steam) and would ordinarily not be visible.

One of the reasons I like mixing at home is to have more control over what is in my e liquid. I'm learning, cutting down on flavoring and testing ways to consume less nic. I'm used to ingrediant lists for everything I eat. It would be nice to see that with e liquid but I made it almost a moot point by mixing at home.

Part of the problem with being constantly under attack is if someone encounters a problem that the rest of us should know about they may hesitate to speak for fear the anti crowd will pick it up and abuse it.

In the mean time everything about vaping is dirt cheap. A liter of 100mg nic has the same amount of nic as 5,000 packs of cigarettes, will last for years, and costs $50. Stock up and thumb your nose at those losers.

 

[Verdant]

For sure I will be stocking up, IMO no US law or regulation is going to influence how Jack Ma does business and unlike eBay or similar company's I think he will refuse to remove such products, guess time will tell though

 

[skoony]

E-cigarettes produce a mist of very fine liquid droplets which is technically what an aerosol is. In chemistry, "vapor" is defined as a gas produced by boiling or evaporation of a liquid (like steam) and would ordinarily not be visible.

Technically vapor is the visible evaporation or condensation of a liquid caused by an external automotive
force such as heat,vibration or wind. Please note certain atmospheric conditions can produce vapor.
ie,,,.fog. Typically vaporization occurs before the boiling point of any liquid as most gas is invisible
unless it has properties to give it color. vapor reforms as the gas falls below its boiling point.
Regards
Mike

 

[EBates]

Anymore if it comes from a govment Talking Head (bought and paid for with Our Tax Money) or from the govment controlled media I mark it as the Same BS that Obana and the Cast of Criminals in Washington.
That bunch can't even recognize the attack in CA for what it Really Was! No Threat? Really?!!!