A thought on "Analogs."

[Ulysses]

To me they are P.V.'s and Cigarettes are Analogs, cancer is a disease not a name for a cigarette.
I am not going to put smokers in the Evil Empire zone because I now vape. What am I supposed to do..divorce my husband? Throw out my mother? They both smoke.
Smoking was my choice, quitting is my choice, I am only responsible for me..it's a full time job. I don't have time to be in charge of everyone else.

Good point, Mary. Right then. I suppose I'm thinking of the kids. Just like the FDA (and many more groups soon to follow) worry about teenage kids.
Best for the vapor suckers not to pat the chain smokers on the back.
Kinda makes for a weak signal.

We shouldn't defend the smokers. That's exactly the kind of nonsense that will get these products banned all over. Bet on it.

Btw, you CAN tell your husband to stop smoking... and your mother too.

Why don't you? My Grandmother's told me to quit consistently for 15 years.
Guess what? I finally quit. Was it her influence? I dunno.

You may only have time to look out for yourself, but surely
you have time to set a good example for others.

You quit. There must be a reason for it. Maybe your family will support your decision by quitting with you. What do you think?

 

[Aiden]

Good point, Mary. Right then. I suppose I'm thinking of the kids. Just like the FDA (and many more groups soon to follow) worry about teenage kids.
Best for the vapor suckers not to pat the chain smokers on the back.
Kinda makes for a weak signal.

We shouldn't defend the smokers. That's exactly the kind of nonsense that will get these products banned all over. Bet on it.

Btw, you CAN tell your husband to stop smoking... and your mother too.

Why don't you? My Grandmother's told me to quit consistently for 15 years.
Guess what? I finally quit. Was it her influence? I dunno.

You may only have time to look out for yourself, but surely
you have time to set a good example for others.

You quit. There must be a reason for it. Maybe your family will support your decision by quitting with you. What do you think?

Bottom line here, is people don't like being told what to do...Take that as you may, but it's true. This is still (at least for now) a free country. Don't push your belief system on others, and all is well.

It's the same reason kids who have the most strict parents rebel more than those who have "moderate" parents. I should know, my Dad was a drill instructor in the Army.

Anyway, to each his own. I just avoid people who try to dictate what I do...as much as I can at least, since I'm in the military.

Just my opinion, do whatever you want. Like I said, it's still a free country...for now.

 

[billo]

In my opinion, the term "analog" or "analog cigarette" should just be replaced by "cigarette."

A cigarette is that thing we used to use which destroys lungs and can cause cancer.

What we now use is NOT a cigarette, and should never be called one. Why ? The term cigarette puts a big bullseye on our product for big brother to shoot at. Yes , big brother will ban or tax anything called a cigarette, even an e-cigarette. You know they will.

I don't know what we should call our things, but "vaporizer" seems the simplest.
Also it sounds benign, gentle, and even healing.

Unfortunately, it may already be too late. The term e-cigarette may have too much marketing appeal and history.

Still, if I ran the world, I would call this blog the "personal vaporizer" forum.
The sooner we drop the term "cigarette" the better.

P.S. Also stop trying to make our beloved vaporizers look like cigarettes ! Another invitation to ban them !

 

[gashin]

You have a point. We should always refer to our vaporizers AS vaporizers and avoid making any similarities with cigarettes.

In my opinion, the term "analog" or "analog cigarette" should just be replaced by "cigarette."

A cigarette is that thing we used to use which destroys lungs and can cause cancer.

What we now use is NOT a cigarette, and should never be called one. Why ? The term cigarette puts a big bullseye on our product for big brother to shoot at. Yes , big brother will ban or tax anything called a cigarette, even an e-cigarette. You know they will.

I don't know what we should call our things, but "vaporizer" seems the simplest.
Also it sounds benign, gentle, and even healing.

Unfortunately, it may already be too late. The term e-cigarette may have too much marketing appeal and history.

Still, if I ran the world, I would call this blog the "personal vaporizer" forum.
The sooner we drop the term "cigarette" the better.

P.S. Also stop trying to make our beloved vaporizers look like cigarettes ! Another invitation to ban them !

 

[VelvetVisions]

Ulysses.... you sound like one of those evil ex-smokers we have all grown to despise (my own husband is one, but he supports my PV). I would say everyone on this forum is happy to have found the PV, but that doesn't mean they hate or dislike those that smoke.

Smoking is a behavior (an addiction), while we can dislike a behavior, that doesn't make a person a bad person. There are many on this forum that still smoke, some have no intentions of completely quiting and use the PV as a means of getting through those times when they can't have an ANALOG, and others still having a couple and working on going analog free. We were all smokers, some still are. Just because we may have stopped smoking analogs, doesn't mean our personalities have changed. Analog was just a term coined to differentiate between the two options. Calling it something like cancer in this forum is like telling those that still smoke they are terrible people condemned to hell. PLEASE!!

We are all human beings, regardless or our habits, we should all be treated as such. You have a right to your opinion, but it doesn't seem like you want to allow others to have theirs. We all know smoking is not good for us and yes most of us were looking for a way to quit (not all) and most have tried many times.

If anything, I feel for smokers because many are in the same boat as we once were and aren't aware of this product. I find it works best to just use my device and let people ask about it. If you look around these forums, you will find many that weren't interested, they enjoy smoking and have no desire to quit. That is their choice and I will not condemn them for it, just as I hated being condemned for that very same choice. I don't wish to support BT, but that is also my choice. Had I not found the PV, I would most certainly still be supporting them.

Get off your high horse, while this may be the e-cig forum, there are many on here that haven't quit smoking and many that are just looking for information. We are here to help and support those that seek it, not criticize their choices.

Jumping off the soap box now......

 

[Ulysses]

In my opinion, the term "analog" or "analog cigarette" should just be replaced by "cigarette."

A cigarette is that thing we used to use which destroys lungs and can cause cancer.

What we now use is NOT a cigarette, and should never be called one. Why ? The term cigarette puts a big bullseye on our product for big brother to shoot at. Yes , big brother will ban or tax anything called a cigarette, even an e-cigarette. You know they will.

I don't know what we should call our things, but "vaporizer" seems the simplest.
Also it sounds benign, gentle, and even healing.

Unfortunately, it may already be too late. The term e-cigarette may have too much marketing appeal and history.

Still, if I ran the world, I would call this blog the "personal vaporizer" forum.
The sooner we drop the term "cigarette" the better.

P.S. Also stop trying to make our beloved vaporizers look like cigarettes ! Another invitation to ban them !

Absolutely spot on! Simple! Thanks. I'm taking that advice and putting it into personal action. Well done.

 

[Ulysses]

Bottom line here, is people don't like being told what to do...Take that as you may, but it's true. This is still (at least for now) a free country. Don't push your belief system on others, and all is well.

It's the same reason kids who have the most strict parents rebel more than those who have "moderate" parents. I should know, my Dad was a drill instructor in the Army.

Anyway, to each his own. I just avoid people who try to dictate what I do...as much as I can at least, since I'm in the military.

Just my opinion, do whatever you want. Like I said, it's still a free country...for now.

How ironic.

 

[harmony gardens]

Actually, I'm rather enjoying this thread. It's a good spirited discussion.

It drives me crazy that the public health people are against vaping. We have the perfect compromise at hand, and the people who should be on our side, encouraging us, are saying we can't vape. They simply can't separate nicotine addiction from cigarettes. They will say that nicotine is not dangerous when they want to sell us nicotine patches and gum, but warn against the danger of addiction that is eliminated by the safer alternative of vaping.

As vapers, we are finally acknowledging the dangers we denied so long to keep smoking,,, why can't they meet us half way?? As vapers, we stand on an island between smokers and anti's. I can identify with smokers wanting to have the right to make thier own decisions AND the public health people saying that cigarettes are killers. I can't deny that I feel better since I got off cigarettes. If I made a bad choice to begin smoking, I hope they don't force me back, after I've made a good choice to seek a safer alternative.

 

[Ulysses]

Tamara,

Sounds like you're speaking on behalf of a group. Is this the case? General consensus?

Does everybody agree that this forum is here to support tobacco smoking?

Was the forum initially launched to embrace lifestyle choices of all kinds?

Is there a ...... thread that supports junkies somewhere on the vaporizer forum?

I don't think I've seen that sort of thing here on the e-cig forum.
I wouldn't have joined.

Here's the deal: You can smoke 1 million cigarettes and that's just fine with me.

I'm not giving you permission because you don't need it. Right?

Just do me a favor: Don't confuse a cigarette habit with a vapor habit. Ok???

I don't want the vaporizer to end up on the outs because a group of "forward thinking" hippies decided that they would embrace everybody's vices as the public recoils in horror and the FDA knowingly nods for the velvet curtain.

Focus. Or not. I dunno. Nevermind.

 

[Ulysses]

Actually, I'm rather enjoying this thread. It's a good spirited discussion.

It drives me crazy that the public health people are against vaping. We have the perfect compromise at hand, and the people who should be on our side, encouraging us, are saying we can't vape. They simply can't separate nicotine addiction from cigarettes. They will say that nicotine is not dangerous when they want to sell us nicotine patches and gum, but warn against the danger of addiction that is eliminated by the safer alternative of vaping.

As vapers, we are finally acknowledging the dangers we denied so long to keep smoking,,, why can't they meet us half way?? As vapers, we stand on an island between smokers and anti's. I can identify with smokers wanting to have the right to make thier own decisions AND the public health people saying that cigarettes are killers. I can't deny that I feel better since I got off cigarettes. If I made a bad choice to begin smoking, I hope they don't force me back, after I've made a good choice to seek a safer alternative.

Amen. Agreed. Well said!

 

[medic23]

I about forgot what the thread was about there for a minute In reply to the original post I don't have a problem with the term "analog". However, I do belive we need to call our "electronic cigarettes" by something other than "cigarettes". I don't want to smoke "cigarettes" anymore so I'll just call mine a vaporizer until you guys can come up with something better (I've been trying to think up something else to call them but I'm very unoriginal)

 

[Socomredbull]

Give your ecig a name other then what the label says thats tooo traditional.In fact color over it decorate it if you would like.Or indeed get a nice wrap custom made of course for its originality which i know how to make.I intend to do so myself.Its nice to have lots of colors out there to choose from...But I tend to be a leader not a follower.I want something not just because its a certain color its what you do to it that makes it personal and possibly may be seen as awsome to others.I may be a Junior in this forum and u might think because of my status on this site that im a noob and I dont know anything but not true all.I have been smoking ecigs from the get go and never had time to get involved with the forums.But at this time I have decided to stick my head in and say hi.So dont call it vapor machine or lol a cig an ecig what ever.Call it what u wanna call it.Call it something that you favor heavily upon.And when your around a group of people and u need to go get your what ever u wanna call it throw people off.I will say I need to get my Catacomb and walk away and come back and smoke my Catacomb and the question marked faces will rise.Oh and to end the FDA wants to kill your chances of enjoying your what ever you wanna call its.Its all about taxes and money and control.I dont have to tell you that... you know we all know.4000-5000 chemicals in a traditional cig is not safe.The cig companies need new smokers new faces to puff on there nasty spamming horrible tasting garbage fake tobacco as the others die from it mhmm its all about filling shoes and not about you so be a hay maker and be a thorn in a peacfull yet constructive way be up front and take action and im sure alot of you are and it makes me happy =).Did u hear Obama smokes a what ever you wanna call it(I am sure some of u might).Dont u think he would jump in and help us fight and help us save money (Which I have been) feel less taxed both money wise and lungs wise.This has nothing to do with if its safe and everything to do with exsploiting it and turning it into something they can benefit or do away with most likely try to do away with.I am sorry mods for the log post. Catacomb away !

 

[VelvetVisions]

Ulysses..... I'll I'm trying to say is you are no better than anyone else here, why do you act like you are? You were a smoker once, it's not easy to quit (very recently from the sounds of it). I'm just saying that there are many here looking for support, not condemnation. You should treat people with more respect.

I don't have to support smoking, to enjoy the company of those that do. This is like my kids, they sometimes make bad choices, I don't like the choice they made but that doesn't mean I love them any less. They are still good kids. I too have made bad choices, like smoking, as have you.

You need to separate the habit from the people. Quiting is not an easy thing to do, and I'm pretty sure "everyone" here would agree with that. That is why the PV has been such a wonderful thing. I'm glad I made the choice to quit smoking, but stop treating those that are still on the "fence" like the wicked step-children. You were one of them once and still are to many. Don't kid yourself, there are many out there that don't agree with the PV and just because we promote it doesn't mean the world will embrace it.

Harmony.... I agree with you 100%

 

[sherid]

You know those trolls we sometimes suspect are invading the board, that's what this discussion sounds like. I don't want to support BT, BP, and especially anti-tobacco. I want to support me and my right to choose what to do with my body, whether it be puffing on a Marlboro or vaping on a Stick. I want to defeat the Big Brother movement that has invaded our lives and made some of us into moral busybodies who hate rather than love their neighbors. I abhor the division that BB has brought to our world and see them as terrorists....divide to conquer. Call the e cig what you like. Call the Marlboro what you like, but please stop supporting the anti-smokers/anti-drinkers/anti-fast foods/anti-soda pop terrorists by using their language to gain further control of our world. "Handle them carefully, for words have more power than atom bombs." --Pearl Strachan.

 

[VelvetVisions]

Sherid... here, here.

Love your Pfeiffer quote by the way, it's great. LOL

 

[sherid]

Sherid... here, here.

Love your Pfeiffer quote by the way, it's great. LOL

Thanks. I think the quote says it all.

 

[taz3cat]

You know those trolls we sometimes suspect are invading the board, that's what this discussion sounds like. I don't want to support BT, BP, and especially anti-tobacco. I want to support me and my right to choose what to do with my body, whether it be puffing on a Marlboro or vaping on a Stick. I want to defeat the Big Brother movement that has invaded our lives and made some of us into moral busybodies who hate rather than love their neighbors. I abhor the division that BB has brought to our world and see them as terrorists....divide to conquer. Call the e cig what you like. Call the Marlboro what you like, but please stop supporting the anti-smokers/anti-drinkers/anti-fast foods/anti-soda pop terrorists by using their language to gain further control of our world. "Handle them carefully, for words have more power than atom bombs." --Pearl Strachan.

Thanks, for telling it straight and in such a rational way. I agree with you on all points.

 

[Ulysses]

You know those trolls we sometimes suspect are invading the board, that's what this discussion sounds like. I don't want to support BT, BP, and especially anti-tobacco. I want to support me and my right to choose what to do with my body, whether it be puffing on a Marlboro or vaping on a Stick. I want to defeat the Big Brother movement that has invaded our lives and made some of us into moral busybodies who hate rather than love their neighbors. I abhor the division that BB has brought to our world and see them as terrorists....divide to conquer. Call the e cig what you like. Call the Marlboro what you like, but please stop supporting the anti-smokers/anti-drinkers/anti-fast foods/anti-soda pop terrorists by using their language to gain further control of our world. "Handle them carefully, for words have more power than atom bombs." --Pearl Strachan.

Ok. So I'm a troll? Wow. Thanks.

This entire thread has gone into a zone that I can't even believe. I would love to hear from some people who live on planet earth.

You really think "big brother" is responsible for the anti smoking campaign?

Think again. Your neighbor is responsible. Your neighbor doesn't like the smell of cigarettes or (mainly) the health risks. Your neighbor doesn't want to take his/her kids to a restaurant and have you blowing smoke in their faces while they eat ice-cream.

Get it? I do. It's not that big of a deal.

Yeah, when I was a 21 year old brat, I thought that the world should just bend over for my bad attitude. I grew up. Now, I don't have a problem with smoking laws. I'd prefer to smoke where ever I please, but I can't.
Boo hoo.

Along comes a product that's getting fairly significant attention. It could, potentially, allow people who enjoy the ritual of smoking to puff away, publicly. All it will take is a public approval rating and proof that it's safe.
These products have to drop the association with cigarettes in order to even get non smokers who are responsible for smoking bans to consider them.

But, hey, you want to confuse the issue with some ridiculous argument for human rights and tobacco??? And big brother?

Woah.

Anybody else think this is crazy?

 

[jburns]

Ulysses.... you sound like one of those evil ex-smokers we have all grown to despise (my own husband is one, but he supports my PV). I would say everyone on this forum is happy to have found the PV, but that doesn't mean they hate or dislike those that smoke.

Smoking is a behavior (an addiction), while we can dislike a behavior, that doesn't make a person a bad person. There are many on this forum that still smoke, some have no intentions of completely quiting and use the PV as a means of getting through those times when they can't have an ANALOG, and others still having a couple and working on going analog free. We were all smokers, some still are. Just because we may have stopped smoking analogs, doesn't mean our personalities have changed. Analog was just a term coined to differentiate between the two options. Calling it something like cancer in this forum is like telling those that still smoke they are terrible people condemned to hell. PLEASE!!

We are all human beings, regardless or our habits, we should all be treated as such. You have a right to your opinion, but it doesn't seem like you want to allow others to have theirs. We all know smoking is not good for us and yes most of us were looking for a way to quit (not all) and most have tried many times.

If anything, I feel for smokers because many are in the same boat as we once were and aren't aware of this product. I find it works best to just use my device and let people ask about it. If you look around these forums, you will find many that weren't interested, they enjoy smoking and have no desire to quit. That is their choice and I will not condemn them for it, just as I hated being condemned for that very same choice. I don't wish to support BT, but that is also my choice. Had I not found the PV, I would most certainly still be supporting them.

Get off your high horse, while this may be the e-cig forum, there are many on here that haven't quit smoking and many that are just looking for information. We are here to help and support those that seek it, not criticize their choices.

Jumping off the soap box now......

I fully support this message.

 

[dawnlori]

Right On Sherid! Thank you for putting in such a politically correct manner, I myself was about ready to blow up. I love my PV, I loved my Old Golds and I don't love anyone who believes its ok to try and save me from myself. I manage a liquor store, I suppose we should shut that down, I might be killing someone. I own several guns and I hunt, I suppose I will lose these rights to the do goody SOB that thinks my rights make crime rates go up. The reason smokers rights are important is because these other rights are important, they are mine and yours. I didn't start vapin to quit smoking, I vap so I can get my fix at work because of the damn anti smoke posses. It just so happened that I am tobacco free since 5/12, vapin has satisfied my addiction. It has also allowed me to quit paying the outrageous taxes that 'big brother' afflicted upon us sinners. I am afraid that when Ulysses has force everyone to his way and the tax dollars are lost they will then impose even more tax on my livelyhood, alcohol, and I will be struggling with the economic factors even more than I am now. Bringing ...... into the post blows me away, thats about as left as it gets. Instead of worrying about what I call my 901 and 510 please do go out and help the ...... addict and leave me and my LEGAL nicotine devises and LEGAL ice cold Budweisers alone.