A very ...... Vapers Rant

[PhantomTaco]

Hey guys, signed up today, and I'll warn you now, this isn't going to be a pretty post, so if that's going to bug you, just stop reading.

First the pros, I do love Ecigs/PVs, I won't deny how important, useful, or brilliant they are.

But that's where it ends. I've had nothing but bad experiences with them to the point where I'd almost consider (but wouldn't) going back to cigarettes, health be damned. Just a few things I'd point out:

1) Garbage quality
2) Incredibly ridiculous pricing for quality
3) Poor online information/communities (this included sadly, but I'll get to that).

I've owned several e-gos (twists and others) and a Vamo VV. I've dropped each of them before, and they've all broken (the vamo is on it's last legs after a single drop from two feet onto a carpet.) WHY ARE THEY SO DAMN FRAGILE!? There's nothing about them that is a delicate instrument, they're about as delicate as a variable output flashlight in terms of what's in them, but about as durable as a glass brick. The buttons are the worst by far though, with a drop on a button making anyone cringe, expecting the button to have either broken or snapped out of alignment. We never worried about this with cellphones and almost any other appliance, why is it an issue here? Have you ever heard of someone back in the early '00s dropping their phone (non touch screen, that's why I say early 00s) and having the buttons come out of place? Fairly rare occurence.

This next one really confuses me/boils my blood. From what I've understood so far in reading for the past few months, nothing tech wise in these PVs is new or particularly hard to manufacture reliably. Where is this massive cost coming from? A provari for 200? MVP for 160? Why? And don't tell me because they're the best, stop and think for a minute or if you know tell me why? All it is is a battery casing, cheap oled screen, pwm regulation circuitry, ohm resistance monitor, button/push for activation and contact points. Is there some magical pixie dust factor I'm missing? These are more or less the same things you find in a variable output flashlight (retail 30 bucks) or pc case fan (minus the battery). Where is this extra charge coming from? Why are we ok with this, someone please tell me.

Finally the community issue. There are absolutely 0 good sites to find a comprehensive listing of the types of PVs out there, or with decent information regarding the differences and knockoffs. Hell, there isn't even a passibly decent one. All we have is the info of people selling them to us (yeah that's unbiased) and forums. And the forums are a major point of contention for me. This anti spam new member thing isn't just annoying, it's detrimental. When people join a forum, they do it to jump in and join the community, not to be sent to the kiddie pool. I respect your concern for spam and such, but this is not a solution. Most people join a forum to ask a question on the spot, if you expect them to wait x amount of time or post x times, they're just going to move on. But, you say, then why did you post? This will probably be my only post, but maybe not i dunno.

 

[murphyramone]

Somebody needs to up the nicotine MG in their juice.

 

[Ghelli]

Im sorry that you have had very bad experience with this site and others.

I would disagree with you about this site though. It may have been bad in your opinion , which you are very much entitled to, but for me and other new comers/vapers, so far it has been very good to me to a point that i actually enjoy vaping.

Goodluck with your vaping journey and hope you find a good site to get you the information you need

 

[dotsin]

Hey and welcome. I find that the new member thread is where the party is at and there is a lot of smart people around here that are willing to help or discuss various issues.

The 5 posts go by in no time, and if your idea is that important to you, 5 small posts shouldn't stop you.

 

[Susan W.]

So, exactly why did you join this forum if you think there isn't any good info here? Just to rant? And as for the expense, it is what it is. Doesn't mean you have to buy them. If it's as easy as you are pointing out, make your own. I also find the 5 post restriction as a good thing. I've been on other forums where spam is rampant....but that shouldn't matter to you since you don't plan to post more than one post. Good luck!!

 

[zapped]

Stop buying cheap crap and you wont have this problem. Seriously, you cant expect durability from products that cost under 40 bucks.Common sense SHOULD tell you that if you do manage to find something that lasts for under 40 bucks that its the exception rather than the rule.

If you use retail prices to break the actual cost down, something that retails in the U.S for 40 bucks costs the supplier 13 dollars and some change (This is assuming they are selling at a 300 percent markup to cover lights, web hosting, and misc business expenses) from China. In order for China to make any money at all they have to produce the product for a resource cost of 4 bucks.

Even if you only assume the supplier and the reseller are making double their money off a product youre still only looking at 10 bucks in materials and production for the mod.

 

[funkypunk69]

I have dropped my ego batteries hundreds of times. The only time 1 ever broke was the 1100mah twist due to it being in my pocket and the weak point being the 510 connector. I popped it back in and it is still working. Sources of information are more than expansive, we learned to find the information not demand it be provided. Try a google or forum search for quality manufacturers or inexpensive devices, they are not all expensive or created equally.

And a comprehensive list would be nearly impossible, there are hundreds of devices coming out monthly by different manufacturers.

I understand there can be frustrations, but to come in here on your first post liek this is nuts. lol.

Hope you have better luck in the future.

 

[NamVet68]

That was fun....

Why did he even bother?

All you have to do is post a measly 5 times so you can join the real forums and there is more information on this site than just about anywhere else on the web.....
Oh well....his loss. No harm no foul.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

First post on ECF is a rant....
I'm not going to humor you with a response.

 

[Killowatt]

I think I smell a troll.

GS3 with Tapatalk 2

 

[Jimi D.]

If you think that the Provari is a "over priced flashlight" (I own 2) Get a Buzz Pro. I agree, the Vamo is fragile.

Heck, we all had to start this way, like everyone else.

 

[PhantomTaco]

Lol alright, figured as much, I'll go through this nice and slow

Somebody needs to up the nicotine MG in their juice.

Lol, no it's more that I'm pretty ...... about this Vamo VV deciding to become half assed on me after a 2 foot drop.

Im sorry that you have had very bad experience with this site and others.

I would disagree with you about this site though. It may have been bad in your opinion , which you are very much entitled to, but for me and other new comers/vapers, so far it has been very good to me to a point that i actually enjoy vaping.

Goodluck with your vaping journey and hope you find a good site to get you the information you need

Thanks, unlike some of the others you try to be nice. This site seems like it might be a great source, but this 5 post count thing is just prohibitive and there are easier ways to deal with spam users that I've seen implemented. Most people want information NOW and answers just as fast. Doing this just makes it so people who may have joined who genuinely did want to learn and contribute decide forget it I'll find somewhere else to get my answer now instead. Case in point, I've known about/looked at these forums for the past 2 months, it hasn't been until now after exhausting other sources that I've even decided to sign up here lol.

Hey and welcome. I find that the new member thread is where the party is at and there is a lot of smart people around here that are willing to help or discuss various issues.

The 5 posts go by in no time, and if your idea is that important to you, 5 small posts shouldn't stop you.

Thanks, that's great, but doesn't resolve the issue.

So, exactly why did you join this forum if you think there isn't any good info here? Just to rant? And as for the expense, it is what it is. Doesn't mean you have to buy them. If it's as easy as you are pointing out, make your own. I also find the 5 post restriction as a good thing. I've been on other forums where spam is rampant....but that shouldn't matter to you since you don't plan to post more than one post. Good luck!!

You not so much. I never said there wasn't good info here did I? I said no comprehensive information. When I refer to a site, I'm looking for something more like somewhere that covers stuff coming out, what's going on, and etc with an AUXILLARY forum. If you want an example something like Tomshardware for the pc community, or guru3d. Hell it doesn't even need to be that big. You will always be able to eventually get information in a forum, but it's more for specific queries and opinions, not for a general overview that most people will go to a forum. The make my own argument is just stupid so I'll leave it alone, suffice it to say if I could or wanted to make my own I wouldn't be on here saying what I am would I? Your 5 post forums that have too much spam is a laughable one. I could rattle off a dozen different non-PV non-min post to do stuff forums that work absolutely fine with little to no spam (tomshardware, anandtech, guru3d, overclock.net, hardforums, the list goes on, but as you can probably tell I'm very big on hardware)

Stop buying cheap crap and you wont have this problem.

If you're not going to bother reading what I said or trying to incorporate/understand it, then why bother posting? why are they so expensive

 

[Statistic]

 

[mmikee]

Um, Provari...NOT $200, and I recently bought an MVP for $49, and no, not from a coop. A decent mech can be had for under $60, and a good RBA for even less. Just look around a bit.
And this is a GREAT forum. I have gotten so much from ECF that I became a supporting member. This is my favorite forum that I am a member of. I have met some of the nicest people here. Just give this one a chance.
Oh, and welcome. Good to have you here, even if your not feelin it yet.

 

[cags]

I sure get tired of people complaining about the 5 post thing. how long does it really take to make 5 posts.
and this isn't the "kiddie pool" (even though the 5 post complainers seem kiddie like). as you can see, vets come here ...........

 

[SeaTownLassy]

Um, I was going say "Welcome to ECF", but now.....

Sorry you think the "kiddie pool" sucks. I'm new here, and I got my 5 posts in only 30 minutes....mainly by saying "thank you" to the people who welcomed me. Then I was off to jump in the "grownup pool". Granted, we need 10 or 15 posts (I think) to get a signature, but really, that's not a big deal either. As a beginner, I find myself coming to the beginners forum a lot anyway.

Sounds like maybe you could ask the suppliers as to why their costs are at a place that you don't agree with.

 

[Susan W.]

Okay, you're right, I came off really harsh but seeing this was your first post and it starts with a rant, well, that's not a very good introduction. I don't make the rules here but someone that does decided that a 5 post rule was needed here. I do belong to other forums and unless they are constantly policed, there will be spam.

 

[InTheShade]

I understand the frustration, I don't agree with some of your points, and for what it's worth, I'll add in my 2 cents.
Vaping supplies are, in comparison to cigarettes, good value. You have to remember this technology is actually fairly new and prices / quality will improve drastically. Just look back a year or two ago and see where we are now.
If you want something that is able to take a beating, get a mechanical mod. They have no delicate parts as such and are very robust. Saying that, my spinners have been dropped numerous times on concrete and never once let me down but there you go.

Massive costs come from smaller production runs. A lot of these companies are doing small runs with higher setup costs. This is not a massive consumer goods market yet - although it's growing rapidly - hence my earlier comment about price and quality improving. You will pay more for higher end mods - but you also have to realize, most of them could almost be called hand-made and bespoke which costs more.

This forum - are you kidding me? Pretty much any mod, battery, accessory, carto, clearo, tank etc. etc. etc. has been discussed on these forums. If it hasn't, and you start a thread, I almost guarantee someone on here will be able to add something to the discussion.

I know it's frustrating and I'm not going to flame you for being frustrated, but if you can stick around on the forum for even a few hours, you'll have those 5 posts (and the new member forum is actually the fastest moving and most interesting IMHO anyway) and be able to post in the other areas. You can still read them even if you don't have the 5 posts, so I really don't understand why the issue.

Welcome to the awesomest forum on the internets for everything vape related. Hope you stick around...

 

[montara]

When you pay for quality, you only cry once. I was a 35 year PAD smoker and that cheep throw away junk got me off analogs. Ya it was crap, but from this form I learned there was much better out their. My collections of Provaries now serve me well. The Foggatti that sits atop is awesome, cant wait for the Kayfun's to arrive... $pent a small fortune getting to where I am today and if I had to do it again I'd probably go the same route 'cause I now really appreciate the quality and know I'll never light up another analog again.

Vaping isn't just a habit, its a hobby and I'm loving it.

 

[funkypunk69]

Well you can always change the channel man. No one is forcing you to be here. As you can see some of use want to be constructive and help you out, yet the additude still remains.