A word of warning to those that think we should only vape where smoking is allowed...
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This is BS. Sorry to say, but seemingly recently, a LOT of vapers thinking they're entitled to vape anywhere (c'mon, hospitals and other non-smoking areas?) are just as much to blame as ANTZ for this. I know people are going to flame me and
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I guess it depends on how fastidious smokers/vaporers are.
I have dogs, and when I'm in the campgrounds of national forest, or anywhere for that matter, and what if somebody pours out some nic juice on the ground, and my dogs, or even a wild animals, licks it up (esp. if peanut butter flavoring LOL) .
These are concerns.
I spend a lot of time at boat ramps and national forests, given my regional setting, I can't tell you how often I have to go to our waterfalls/spring fed creeks, with garbage bags, and clean up after people. (ciggie butts too).
Maybe "habits" are best practiced at home, esp. if they contain ANYTHING that could be harmful to other people and/or pets?
I'm not sure how I feel about this all yet, but based on what I've already seen/shared, I think careless people are just gonna ruin things for others, and it has always been the case.
This is why I ask that vaporers practice being ultra-courteous.
But nicotine is a poision, lets not forget this. It can kill small animals, babies, etc. Therefore, caution should be used, yes?
quite frankly, when I'm out in the woods, the only thing that belongs out in the natural environment are things that are indigenous to the natural environment. That doesn't include alcohol, nicotine, or our trash/garbage like paper, bottles, boxes, or anything else.
I've had many high veterinary bills from taking my dogs for a swim, and people leaving behind fishing lures and tackle on the ground and right below the water's edge..........where young children and dogs end up getting injured by sharp hooks.
So, count me as a tree hugger I guess.
The way I see it:
It's not smoking. Vapor is not smoke. It's only the visual aspect of watching someone vape, that it looks like smoking, that seems to be the issue. Which of course is ridiculous. It wasn't that long ago you watched Colombo with a cigar interviewing a patient in a hospital and people thought that was normal.
I agree we need to loose the "cigarette" moniker and just stick with personal vaporizer.
It's not smoking. Vapor is not smoke. It's only the visual aspect of watching someone vape, that it looks like smoking, that seems to be the issue. Which of course is ridiculous. It wasn't that long ago you watched Colombo with a cigar interviewing a patient in a hospital and people thought that was normal.
I agree we need to loose the "cigarette" moniker and just stick with personal vaporizer.
Exactly, if our pvs were administering an antibiotic that our bodies needed to fight an infection I dont think people would be as shy about using it.
People still duck into the bathroom to administer an insulin shot or take medicines in private but thats primarily a personal preference.
If I'm sick I have ZERO issues with whipping out a bottle of cough syrup and a spoon and giving myself a mouthful in public.I view vaping much the same way. The attention doesnt bother me, I want it so others know about this and can view it positively.
Hiding it away makes it seems we are doing something wrong
They do that because they have a disease. That if untreated can lead to death.
You do it because you're addicted to it. If left non-satiated, you get cravings.
Apples to oranges.
But don't you understand? GOOOOOSH!!! We can do whatever we want, wherever we want. We're not smoking.
That's precisely the attitude that WILL get vaping banned. Then you can thank precious, holier than thou selves. 
Not really, I have a disease as well that if left untreated can lead to death, lung cancer, emphysema and a host of other maladies.
This is my treatment.
But don't you understand? GOOOOOSH!!! We can do whatever we want, wherever we want. We're not smoking.
Ignorance, misinformation and negative perceptions are the only things I can think of that would get vaping banned. Hiding it reinforces those.
Vaping in public is only part of it, education comes next. One thing is for sure if no one sees you doing it no ones ever going to ask about it.
Its not ANTZ or other anti-smoking activist we need to convince its the general public and so far with only one exception Ive gotten a positive response from everyone Ive encountered and have educated quite a few of them in the process.
Last night I vaped in Red Lobster while waiting for a carry-out order. I didn't hide it, I also wasn't blatantly obvious blowing clouds right into someones face either. I got smiles from both of the bartenders and one older gentleman who turned to ask me about it before I left.
His wifes back was to me and after explaining that it was vapor not smoke, and that I had not had a cigarette in over 3 months,she remarked that she couldn't smell anything bad at all and I was 4 feet behind her. When I told her that it was peach flavored she said "That's where that delicious smell was coming from" and actually hugged me.
I also got a couple of nods as we were leaving, presumably from people who overheard our conversation.
That's not the kinda behavior or response that's going to get anything banned.
This is BS. Sorry to say, but seemingly recently, a LOT of vapers thinking they're entitled to vape anywhere (c'mon, hospitals and other non-smoking areas?) are just as much to blame as ANTZ for this. I know people are going to flame me and? Not me! I know for a damn fact I'm not the only one that knows this is true.
I sure hope they don't make a rule that says no hot air in public. Then what would we do with all of the people like you ? Entitled ? I freekin hate that word. Of course I'm entitled to vape in non-smoking areas if I want to. Why shouldn't I be ? I'm not smoking ! There has been no harm proven to come from vaping, not any more than breathing the gaseous flattulence that comes from the remains of someones bacteria ridden feces !
DC2,
I guess it depends on how fastidious smokers/vaporers are.
I have dogs, and when I'm in the campgrounds of national forest, or anywhere for that matter, and what if somebody pours out some nic juice on the ground, and my dogs, or even a wild animals, licks it up (esp. if peanut butter flavoring LOL) .
These are concerns.
I spend a lot of time at boat ramps and national forests, given my regional setting, I can't tell you how often I have to go to our waterfalls/spring fed creeks, with garbage bags, and clean up after people. (ciggie butts too).
Maybe "habits" are best practiced at home, esp. if they contain ANYTHING that could be harmful to other people and/or pets?
I'm not sure how I feel about this all yet, but based on what I've already seen/shared, I think careless people are just gonna ruin things for others, and it has always been the case.
This is why I ask that vaporers practice being ultra-courteous.
But nicotine is a poision, lets not forget this. It can kill small animals, babies, etc. Therefore, caution should be used, yes?
quite frankly, when I'm out in the woods, the only thing that belongs out in the natural environment are things that are indigenous to the natural environment. That doesn't include alcohol, nicotine, or our trash/garbage like paper, bottles, boxes, or anything else.
I've had many high veterinary bills from taking my dogs for a swim, and people leaving behind fishing lures and tackle on the ground and right below the water's edge..........where young children and dogs end up getting injured by sharp hooks.
So, count me as a tree hugger I guess.
I don't see what this has to do with the discussion. Wanting to ban vaping in public for fear of some litterbug dumping nicotine is not much different than wanting to ban alcohol for fear of some idiot driving drunk.
We also need to stop talking about "analogs" and start using the word that Big Pharma and ANTZ and pro-Vaping medical professionals all use. They call the bad stuff "combustibles."
I'm going to ask GotVapes and my other two vendors to make a banner that says "combustibles" instead of analogs or cigarettes, and the first one to provide it gets their banner in my sig.
I can't stand that argument either ! That's like the old arguments that we shouldn't care about trying to cure aids, because those people with aids get it due to their own behavior. And that attitude is one of the reasons they get away with SIN taxes. It's ok to rob the dirty smokers ( insert vapers now ) because they don't really need to do that, and we really don't want them to anyway.
This is BS. Sorry to say, but seemingly recently, a LOT of vapers thinking they're entitled to vape anywhere (c'mon, hospitals and other non-smoking areas?) are just as much to blame as ANTZ for this. I know people are going to flame me and? Not me! I know for a damn fact I'm not the only one that knows this is true.
Vapor is much like cooking odors in content. For politeness sake, I'm very careful about vaping indoors. And I do not think vaping should be allowed anyplace where perfumes or cooking with peanut oil would be banned. (Some flavors contain tree nuts or peanuts, and are NOT labeled as such!!!)
However, I do think PATIENTS should be allowed to vape in hospitals.
I use lozenges on airplanes, but I vape in airports (STEALTH!!) -- the reason is the different in air supply and my distance from other people. (I don't vape in airports when coming or going but I do when stuck inside during a transfer.)
Did you see the list of bans I listed earlier in this thread?But don't you understand? GOOOOOSH!!! We can do whatever we want, wherever we want. We're not smoking.
I can promise you that none of them were the result of vapers without manners.
I agree. Without taking action it is all just talk. I personally think these bans are complete bs when they include ecigarettes. It's hard to change a persons mind when they are unwilling to try and understand (close minded) or it doesn't personally touch them.
You will always have a certain percentage of people who will sit there and do nothing, even when it is important to them.
And a certain percentage who will see a problem and try to do something about it.
But nobody will do anything at all if nobody realizes there is a problem.
And so that is the purpose of this thread...
To let people know that their is a growing, creeping problem.
And it affects people who want to vape anywhere.
And it affects people who only care to vape where smoking is allowed.
And if also affects everyone between the two extremes.
The more people that know, the more people who will try to do something about it.
And a certain percentage who will see a problem and try to do something about it.
But nobody will do anything at all if nobody realizes there is a problem.
And so that is the purpose of this thread...
To let people know that their is a growing, creeping problem.
And it affects people who want to vape anywhere.
And it affects people who only care to vape where smoking is allowed.
And if also affects everyone between the two extremes.
The more people that know, the more people who will try to do something about it.
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If we continue to act like smokers and even congregate in the same areas why is anyone surprised that we're treated like them?
You want irony? How about Santa Cruz who (has in the past, at least) repeals thier "no smoking in public" law every April 20th for a pot festival.
Anyway - I'm fine with following the rules for smokers. I'm fine with not vaping anywhere there is no smoking allowed. If they ever completely banned cigarettes, I would be OK with them banning vaping, too. But if they try to ban vaping without banning smoking . . .that would be grounds for civil disobediance
That is the equivalent of saying they can take away my gun as long as they take away your bat.
Keith
By the way, I wasn't disagreeing with you, and I do agree that we have to fight for certain ground here.
There are senior citizen housing areas that don't allow any smoking anywhere on the premises, ditto, hospitals, but I think vaping should be entirely allowed in these instances.
I also agree we should not have to congregate with smokers because we're not smoking.
It's a little difficult to come to a specific agreement as to when and where though.....even vaporers don't appear to agree on on all of it. I think this will take some time to hash out.
So for now, I can go with the "but we are not smoking!" line of reasoning. Maybe deal with the intricacies later, like the fact that nicotine is a poison, at least in non-vaporized form. That is my only concern at this point.
(You do realize that there are people who will dump 100mg nicotine down the toilet.....into the wastewater system, right? (I can't iimagine doing this on a septic system eeks.) These are things that concern me greatly since wastewater is piped to a central sewage plant, then discharged into area rivers, lakes and streams. Most municipal systems rely on bacteria or other organisms to decompose the waste, and some pass through the system unchanged and thus pollute the water downstream. )
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