Aaron from A Billion Lives responds to questions
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OMG so sorry, this was meant to be posted in the lounge, I have no idea how it got here opps. Sorry for the confusionI haven't seen the film obviously, and I'm also not totally on board with the SHS issue, but..... I do believe that he would have used it in a way to promote vaping! That is what the WHO and FDA say, so ok.......let's get more people vaping there will be less SHS. Since y'all say this is for the kids.......less will die so there!!that type of stuff.
Or did you quote it by mistake, oh I am totally lost now ha
follow me around you'll get super confused, and be posting all over the place!! heheheOMG so sorry, this was meant to be posted in the lounge, I have no idea how it got here opps. Sorry for the confusion
Just to say, the SHS quote in the trailer was covered extensively last year. The film itself contains no references to SHS.
You've got to cut an independent filmmaker some slack! It's not completely insane of him to quote a statistic found in a reputable medical journal. If anything, it underscores the problem we're up against.
You've got to cut an independent filmmaker some slack! It's not completely insane of him to quote a statistic found in a reputable medical journal. If anything, it underscores the problem we're up against.
I guess that depends on "what the meaning of "is" is".
We are the "masses", Less. Categorizing a segment (in this case the anti-vaping) public as a somehow inanimate mass of non-individuals, who it's acceptable to lie to "to make your point" / "for their own good" is sort of what got us here in the first place.
If the director did, in fact, use the other side's lies in order to advance his message, then he sacrificed his objectivity, a critical virtue in a good journalist.
Again, haven't seen it yet, so reserving judgement, but if that quote is in the film, in context, then it's a shame- we have enough right on our side that an honest documentary would have plenty of impactful material.
So the director's quote from the trailer is not in the film?
That's a relief.
Wonder why he decided to lie in the trailer?
Once again, THANK YOU for sharing this.Sincerely! As a member from New Zealand who was fortunate enough to see the premier, you're direct knowledge is a HUGE benefit to this thread.
Ironically, we here in the states, only have the trailers, some over a year old, to "go on/go by".
As with any feature length production, "things" (including the directors thoughts & opinions) change and the "final cut" may very well be somewhat different than "snippets" from a year or more ago.
Perhaps if you felt like it and have the time, a condensed "review" of the film would be helpful. The comments you've already made are greatly appreciated though and I would just like to thank you again for the information and support.
Von Vape
Here is a really good review, much better than anything I could write
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My own observations of the movie are if you're a politically aware vaper it's not going to tell you much you don't know. I dragged my husband along to it (non smoker/non vaper) and he was impressed by the caliber of the people who were interviewed. He also said "I get vaping now" which I thought was quite interesting because I have been doing it for over 2 years
Glad to hear that.
As an individual, the filmmaker gets all the same slack as anyone else. But, as a subject-matter-expert, having done all this research to expose the lies being told about vaping, propagating such obvious lies, even if they are about the other side, would be unacceptable.
I'm glad to hear he didn't sully the movie with that crap. I have high hopes for this film. I haven't paid for a theatre seat in a decade or more, but I would pay for a seat to see this.
I'm still trying to figure out how I get a non vaper to pay for a seat, to see this.
I guess I'll have to buy them a ticket, when/if, it comes to the US.....
I guess I'll have to buy them a ticket, when/if, it comes to the US.....
It's primarily a movie about corruption - told through a lense of vaping. There were a lot of vapers at the premiere here in Wellington but there were also a lot of non-vapers
If it's marketed right, won't be hard. It wasn't made for vapers. It was made and will likely be marketed as an expose type of thing, exposing lies and conspiracies, and people love to see those types of things
There you go.
Being an election year, here in the US, the next 4-5 months is absolutely perfect timing to get non-concerned parties interested in this film.
I don't know anything about film distribution, so I don't know what the film-maker has to work through to get it out, but I hope it's something they can do in the next few months.
We are part of the masses, but I guarantee you there are more people who consider SHS harmful than those who don't. Even among vapers.
It doesn't have to be true that SHS kills people for it to be meaningful to this fight. The fact is, if Public Health believes their own lie about SHS, it's all the more reason they should be supporting vaping.
Then that's the statement that should be made: "the WHO says 'blahblahblah..', so, if that true, then vaping is blahblahblah".
Lying to "the masses" doesn't serve us well. It's just like when someone says "but it's just water vapor". You know someone in the audience is calling BS, and the rest of the perfectly valid points the speaker might be making lose some of their luster and impact.
My point, really, was just that I hope those sort of shenanigans weren't in the film, which some who have seen it are saying they're not, so I'm good.
Lying to "the masses" doesn't serve us well. It's just like when someone says "but it's just water vapor". You know someone in the audience is calling BS, and the rest of the perfectly valid points the speaker might be making lose some of their luster and impact.
My point, really, was just that I hope those sort of shenanigans weren't in the film, which some who have seen it are saying they're not, so I'm good.
Well, I did it. I went ahead and posed the question to BOTH Presidential Candidates through their respective "Contact Me" sites.
I copied and pasted this, verbatim, to BOTH;
"I would like to know your position in regard to vaping and the FDA's recent deeming of vapor products.
Respectfully,
***********
Registered Independent Voter
Wasilla, Alaska"
Note that I didn't "telegraph" what I "wanted to hear".
I don't if or when I'll be getting a response but I'm pretty sure I'll be on at least one "watch list"!
(Now, where's that tank???)
GunMonkeyINTL had a very valid point and I applaud him/her for thinking for themselves. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, that WAS "their" point. There is so much parroting of "facts" (EXTREMELY LOOSE DEFINITION) from BOTH sides of this issue that credibility is VERY MUCH at stake. Add to that the age we live in where there are so many sheep that will follow the path of least resistance (again on both sides) and you can see how easily "we" could all be wearing egg on our faces. It seems NO ONE wants to THINK FOR THEMSELVES anymore. I, personally applaud GunMonkeyINTL for at least questioning and thinking for them self! (I'm also glad they saw the error of their ways. Silly remark. DON'T take that last bit seriously. ) If the world were filled with folks like that, the DD would have never happened! Apparently, that's too difficult though. 
My
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Von Vape
I copied and pasted this, verbatim, to BOTH;
"I would like to know your position in regard to vaping and the FDA's recent deeming of vapor products.
Respectfully,
***********
Registered Independent Voter
Wasilla, Alaska"
Note that I didn't "telegraph" what I "wanted to hear".
I don't if or when I'll be getting a response but I'm pretty sure I'll be on at least one "watch list"!
(Now, where's that tank???)
GunMonkeyINTL had a very valid point and I applaud him/her for thinking for themselves. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, that WAS "their" point. There is so much parroting of "facts" (EXTREMELY LOOSE DEFINITION) from BOTH sides of this issue that credibility is VERY MUCH at stake. Add to that the age we live in where there are so many sheep that will follow the path of least resistance (again on both sides) and you can see how easily "we" could all be wearing egg on our faces. It seems NO ONE wants to THINK FOR THEMSELVES anymore. I, personally applaud GunMonkeyINTL for at least questioning and thinking for them self!
(I'm also glad they saw the error of their ways. Silly remark. DON'T take that last bit seriously. ) If the world were filled with folks like that, the DD would have never happened! Apparently, that's too difficult though. My
, Von Vape @Pinot, You're contributions to this thread have been SO wonderful. THANK YOU for the link to the review and your impressions. It was also touching to see;
You BOTH have a place to stay and the best Sourdough bread you will ever eat (private joke) here in Alaska if you ever decide to visit!
Kind Regards,
Von Vape
It was also touching to see;THAT speaks VOLUMES!
You BOTH have a place to stay and the best Sourdough bread you will ever eat (private joke
) here in Alaska if you ever decide to visit! Kind Regards,
Von Vape @Pinot, You're contributions to this thread have been SO wonderful. THANK YOU for the link to the review and your impressions.
THAT speaks VOLUMES!
You BOTH have a place to stay and the best Sourdough bread you will ever eat (private joke
Kind Regards,
That is so lovely Von thank you
. I would love to experience Alaska (maybe not in the winter!). If you ever decide to head down to NZ let me know It's always been a dream. Maybe some day............If you ever decide to head down to NZ let me know
The invite IS seriously open, Summer IS recommended.
Von Vape PS, visit the BP sometime.
(PM for more info )
SHS is so deeply entrenched that even hinting that it might not be correct marks you out as a science-denying weirdo to the vast majority of the public.
So please cut Aaron some slack. You have to go some distance before you realise that the concerns over the validity of SHS are genuine and that the people raising them are not crackpots.
So please cut Aaron some slack. You have to go some distance before you realise that the concerns over the validity of SHS are genuine and that the people raising them are not crackpots.
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