Aaron from A Billion Lives responds to questions

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Von Vape

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So please cut Aaron some slack. You have to go some distance before you realise that the concerns over the validity of SHS are genuine and that the people raising them are not crackpots.
I couldn't agree more, Oliver! As an outdoorsman and someone who spends a great deal of time around a campfire, I doubt that anyone could argue that holding your head over, or anywhere near a camp fire's SMOKE, for an extended period of time would be "healthy". It doesn't matter what the carcinogens are, carcinogens are carcinogens! Why does a flame broiled steak, chicken or salmon filet contain more carcinogens than vapor? Because vapor doesn't contain ANY, and thankfully so. :) And that's the approach "we" need to take. Again people, don't "take the bait" and play into THEIR game. ;) United we stand, divided we fall..... THINK, .... ALWAYS think ...
As a recently reformed tobacco smoker, I am amazed at just how inconsiderate I was being, even at 100 feet from someone else. Someone two houses away can light a cigarette, now, and I can SMELL it! If I can smell it, I AM subjected to the SHS and every chemical and carcinogen in it. Not to the degree that "the victim" is, but to some extent. And the closer the proximity, the higher the extent. It's just common sense, but then that isn't so common any more. :(

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Well surprise, surprise! I know it's just a robot but look who replied within 2 hrs. of my inquiry....

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Just reporting it as it comes in............. and I won't stop either. ;)

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I couldn't agree more, Oliver! As an outdoorsman and someone who spends a great deal of time around a campfire, I doubt that anyone could argue that holding your head over, or anywhere near a camp fire's SMOKE, for an extended period of time would be "healthy". It doesn't matter what the carcinogens are, carcinogens are carcinogens! Why does a flame broiled steak, chicken or salmon filet contain more carcinogens than vapor? Because vapor doesn't contain ANY, and thankfully so. :) And that's the approach "we" need to take. Again people, don't "take the bait" and play into THEIR game. ;) United we stand, divided we fall..... THINK, .... ALWAYS think ...
As a recently reformed tobacco smoker, I am amazed at just how inconsiderate I was being, even at 100 feet from someone else. Someone two houses away can light a cigarette, now, and I can SMELL it! If I can smell it, I AM subjected to the SHS and every chemical and carcinogen in it. Not to the degree that "the victim" is, but to some extent. And the closer the proximity, the higher the extent. It's just common sense, but then that isn't so common any more. :(

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Von, between you and me ( ;) ) I'm not particularly interested in SHS and the degree to which it's problematic. What IS interesting to me is how tobacco control manipulated the literature to achieve their ultimate goal - to remove smoking from public places. It's not even about whether the eradication of smoking in public places was right or wrong - rather, it's instructive because it demonstrates precisely how tobacco control operates.

This extends beyond SHS and into areas in which I AM interested, such as the demonisation of nicotine, smokeless tobacco and e-cigarettes and the direct harm to the health of smokers who are consequently denied options which could be lifesaving.
 

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Von, between you and me ( ;) ) I'm not particularly interested in SHS and the degree to which it's problematic. What IS interesting to me is how tobacco control manipulated the literature to achieve their ultimate goal - to remove smoking from public places. It's not even about whether the eradication of smoking in public places was right or wrong - rather, it's instructive because it demonstrates precisely how tobacco control operates.

This extends beyond SHS and into areas in which I AM interested, such as the demonisation of nicotine, smokeless tobacco and e-cigarettes and the direct harm to the health of smokers who are consequently denied options which could be lifesaving.

I actually think it's not about the demonisation of nicotine but the demonisation of smokers (so it doesn't matter what those people do, they are still the same people) It's not enough to have smokers killing themselves and everyone else (especially the children). Even if they stop smoking they are the same people who are possessed by demons and will continue killing the children
 

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SHS is so deeply entrenched that even hinting that it might not be correct marks you out as a science-denying weirdo to the vast majority of the public.

So please cut Aaron some slack. You have to go some distance before you realise that the concerns over the validity of SHS are genuine and that the people raising them are not crackpots.
Jup!!! and honestly folks.......please let's not nit pick.........we need to be promoting this film not ripping into it.

How do I know for a fact that this film has huge potential to help vapers, even though I've never seen it???

It has already caused the New Zealand government to state that they are reconsidering their ban (not certain what the ban was on, but it had to do with vaping)

He's the only one out there doing it, and like my mama always said when someone would criticize how someone else was doing something....... "I like the way they're doing it a whole lot better than the way you're NOT doing it" I don't mean that in an ugly way to anyone, but bottom line is.......at least he's doing it!! We need to support it and promote as best we can.

Von, between you and me ( ;) ) I'm not particularly interested in SHS and the degree to which it's problematic. What IS interesting to me is how tobacco control manipulated the literature to achieve their ultimate goal - to remove smoking from public places. It's not even about whether the eradication of smoking in public places was right or wrong - rather, it's instructive because it demonstrates precisely how tobacco control operates.

This extends beyond SHS and into areas in which I AM interested, such as the demonisation of nicotine, smokeless tobacco and e-cigarettes and the direct harm to the health of smokers who are consequently denied options which could be lifesaving.
Absolutely!!! Even the majority of smokers/vapers have bought into a lot of crap that they've manipulated for their own personal agendas.
 

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Von, between you and me ( ;) ) I'm not particularly interested in SHS and the degree to which it's problematic. What IS interesting to me is how tobacco control manipulated the literature to achieve their ultimate goal - to remove smoking from public places. It's not even about whether the eradication of smoking in public places was right or wrong - rather, it's instructive because it demonstrates precisely how tobacco control operates.

This extends beyond SHS and into areas in which I AM interested, such as the demonisation of nicotine, smokeless tobacco and e-cigarettes and the direct harm to the health of smokers who are consequently denied options which could be lifesaving.

And that's precisely the point, Oliver. Things like SHS had nothing to do with facts or progress. SHS just happened to fit a tactic that they wanted to employ to achieve their desired end.

SHS danger claims were just a way to demonize the smoker in a way that convinced the non-concerned parties that the smoker was causing them direct harm, thereby using them as a force-multiplier and excuse to further marginalize smoking.

But it's a lie, so it took some serious work on their part to get it to "take"- using the "tell a lie enough times and it becomes the truth" principle.

Imagine the first time the SHS lie was told:

Three dudes sitting at a bar, one of them smoking. The third one tells the second one "you know, the dude sitting next to you smoking is causing you just as much harm as he is himself".

The second guy, the one sitting next to the smoker, looks over, sees him take a big puff and a bunch of smoke come out and drift away. In just the half a second that it takes his brain to sort it out, he thinks "if that much came out, imagine how much went in. Most of what came out went 'that' way, and I can only smell it."

Then he looks over his shoulder, out the window, and sees a car stopped at the intersection, with smoke billowing out of its tail-pipe, and realizes he's going to be stuck behind that car on his way home...driving a car of his own."

He promptly dismisses what the third guy said, goes back to drinking his beer, and decides to live and let live the smoker next to him.

To get any traction, that lie had to be told thousands/millions of times. They had to fund junk studies and pay off government shills to get them to parrot it, and deliver tear-wrenching testimonies on the senate floor, passing bills to convince the people this is all done in their interest.

We can't afford that tactic. We don't have the numbers to go toe-to-toe with the liars, we don't have the money to buy the junk studies or politicians, and we don't have the horsepower to push the entrenched interest out of the way.

Fortunately, we have the 'truth'. We don't need any of those other things, if we employ the truth that we do have, the right way.

The old saying about telling a lie enough times for it to become the truth, is very telling. It implies that the lie is at a disadvantage, from the start, because people generally know what BS smells like, and are capable of dismissing it the first several times it is told to them.

The truth, though, if it's told with all due sincerity, only needs to be said once for it to take root. Even against an entrenched lie, the truth always smells better than the lie.

Pedaling our truth against their lies is an asymmetric warfare. We need to say the truth as often as we can, but only because we are working against a deeply entrenched lie, and we have A LOT of people we need to deliver it to.

Each lie we tell would only mitigate the impact of every round of truth that we fire.
 

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I'm not particularly interested in SHS and the degree to which it's problematic. What IS interesting to me is how tobacco control manipulated the literature to achieve their ultimate goal - to remove smoking from public places. It's not even about whether the eradication of smoking in public places was right or wrong - rather, it's instructive because it demonstrates precisely how tobacco control operates.
And on that note, this seems like a good place to drop this...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger

Many of you have read this I'm sure, as I've been posting it for years.
:)

But if you haven't read it yet, here is a teaser for you...
The contemporary antismoking crusade has manipulated/altered psychology and social/economic/cultural/political structures the world over. One of the manipulations instrumental in its ‘success’ is avoiding scrutiny by smearing anyone that dares question antismoking policies and methods. By its beliefs and tactics, antismoking conducts itself like a cult. The antismoking industry is now so large and mainstream that questionable, inflammatory claims are produced with high regularity. There are so many such claims working to an agenda that it is impossible to keep up with scrutiny.
The current antismoking crusade has a clear beginning and framework. Rather than try to keep abreast of a myriad of questionable claims, it is wiser to consider what the antismoking framework has been from the outset, and to consider it byantismokers’ own words. Provided below are excerpts from antismoking conferences and manuals. By this information, the public can then properly judge the basis and nature of the contemporary antismoking ‘movement’.
 

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I haven't paid for a theatre seat in a decade or more, but I would pay for a seat to see this.
Ditto here. "Gone with the Wind" comes to mind but I'm sure I've been there since. :)

I will certainly book at least a two tickets should it come my way. While Mrs. Kodiak (who never smoked, vaped), is fully supportive she's grown weary of my rants, mumblings and explanations that border on (in her mind at least), conspiracy tin-foil hat tendencies. She'll certainly get a lot out of this.
 

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Von, between you and me ( ;) ) I'm not particularly interested in SHS and the degree to which it's problematic. What IS interesting to me is how tobacco control manipulated the literature to achieve their ultimate goal - to remove smoking from public places. It's not even about whether the eradication of smoking in public places was right or wrong - rather, it's instructive because it demonstrates precisely how tobacco control operates.
I'm reasonably sure :)?: :D) we're on the same page, Oliver. I may have rambled a bit but my point was the same. Don't take the bait, don't fall into that trap and DON'T play THEIR game. ;) I think GunMonkeyINTL stated it rather eloquently;
Each lie we tell would only mitigate the impact of every round of truth that we fire.
Our only hope is credibility and accuracy. "We" need to be damn sure the ONLY arguments we make are accurate and substantiated. ;) From what I've seen and heard of Aaron and the film, he has strived to stay on point in both respects. That's what makes this film worthy of our support. SUPPORT A BILLION LIVES! :thumbs:

(Candidate update: No more from Trump's campaign, NOTHING from H.C.'s, at all........)

SUPPORT A BILLION LIVES!
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Actually, @DC2, that site is a really nice case in point.

I read it some years back, and only because you repeatedly posted it. It's absolutely chock-a-block with the kind of hyperbole that put me off reading beyond the intro for a long time. Even the title is unhelpful.

It's a shame, because it's a document which contains very disturbing and important insights.
 

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Honestly, as soon as you start talking about "cults" and "god complexes" and "psychological manipulation" you start losing people.

You might not consider it hyperbolic (considering the facts of the matter), but that language is a sure fire way of making yourself sound extreme to outside observers (and, as I've admitted, to inside ones too).
 

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Honestly, as soon as you start talking about "cults" and "god complexes" and "psychological manipulation" you start losing people.

You might not consider it hyperbolic (considering the facts of the matter), but that language is a sure fire way of making yourself sound extreme to outside observers (and, as I've admitted, to inside ones too).
If you were intending to say some of it SOUNDS hyperbolic then I'll certainly agree.
Although I don't find anything truly hyperbolic there in real life.

Well, maybe the "cult" part was a bit strong.
Maybe.
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    The more you read it, the more disturbing it becomes.
    I'd be curious as to your insight into which parts you consider hyperbolic.
    Bluntly and simply, the guy's religious. He's correct in saying that antismoking is driven by some of the same impulses, I just don't think religion is the answer and easily is as unhealthy. I may delve deeper into some of his many other points, and there are many, but still think it could have been stated better and more briefly to my perspective. OTOH he's honest and upfront about his influences. ... :)
     

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    Bluntly and simply, the guy's religious. He's correct in saying that antismoking is driven by some of the same impulses, I just don't think religion is the answer and easily is as unhealthy. I may delve deeper into some of his many other points, and there are many, but still think it could have been stated better and more briefly to my perspective. OTOH he's honest and upfront about his influences. ... :)
    Oh, you read he book itself?

    I never read the book, just that thing I linked to.
    I didn't notice anything religious there.
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    If you were intending to say some of it SOUNDS hyperbolic then I'll certainly agree.
    Although I don't find anything truly hyperbolic there in real life.

    Well, maybe the "cult" part was a bit strong.
    Maybe.
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    It "comes across" as hyperbolic. That's all. But that's enough.
     

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    There are cult mentalities in many places. Just because it sounds unreal, don't think it can't happen. I'm putting it out there even if it makes me sound a little nuts, but I was actually raised in a destructive religious cult. My experience liberating myself from their control revealed to me that there are many types of cults, many not being religious at all.
     
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