no i mean you have had VG at your house but havent tried it yet. that makes a huge difference in vapor go home and try dripping with 1 drop of vg 2 drop your liquid bet u get some good smoke from it 
About to give up and go back to cigarettes.
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As silly as it sounds it sounds like the atty isn't screwed on all the way. Doesn't sound right though.
We are all stabbing in the dark, not to make a play on names,
Bump for an experienced M user.
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It's screwed on all of the way, I know that much for sure. I'll bump it tomorrow. Thanks Wireguy.
no i mean you have had VG at your house but havent tried it yet. that makes a huge difference in vapor go home and try dripping with 1 drop of vg 2 drop your liquid bet u get some good smoke from it
I'll try it out, thanks. Well, I'm off to get aggrivated at home instead of at work.... for a change.
My conclusion: Analogs are more cost efficient than these things. Too much can go wrong in a short amount of time and I'm not prepared to spend as much on e-cigs as analogs, but with added stress.
You're being short-sighted. In the long run the cost of continuing to smoke analogs could be an abbreviated life span. Best to scrape up a few more dollars and try a 510 with manual batteries. The 401 is a dependable little PV, but it has to be used properly. The 510 is more forgiving but a lot thirstier.
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My wife has a 401 and thats the only device she uses.
One thing she's noticed is not all hardware is created equally. Her original order had 2 batteries and 2 attys. Batteries lasted for 2 months easily and the attys, well, after 5 months, they are still in use.
Once the 2 original batteries died and wouldn't hold a charge, I got 2 more from another supplier. They lasted 2 weeks at the most. Got another 2 from another supplier, same thing. Same goes for attys. Still rotate the originals but others lasted a week, some lasted forever.
Getting 2 batteries again from the original supplier right away, here's hoping!
Not saying Litecig has bad hardware, just that it appears not all are created equally or there are bad batches that get past quality control.
Right now, she's due for new batteries. Not due to them holding a charge, but I accidently overfilled a cart for her and it leaked into the auto battery. My bad for sure.
Me, I use a 510. From my experiences, they are great. Easier to maintain and use but mostly, produce wicked plumes of vapor and enough throat hit to make me choke if I take too long a drag.
In all honesty though, you might be better off going with a 2 piece design. Far less hassle as you don't have to worry about attys.
When I started vaping, I was completely broke too so I know where you are coming from. I managed to get enough together to get 2 kits and some juice. Now a days, im still broke, but doing it a bit different. I take 1/4 of the money I used to spend on analogs and put it in a separate account for vaping funds. About to buy my first mod from the money I put in it.
Don't give up. Vaping is cheaper than smoking easily once you get into the swing of it.
One thing she's noticed is not all hardware is created equally. Her original order had 2 batteries and 2 attys. Batteries lasted for 2 months easily and the attys, well, after 5 months, they are still in use.
Once the 2 original batteries died and wouldn't hold a charge, I got 2 more from another supplier. They lasted 2 weeks at the most. Got another 2 from another supplier, same thing. Same goes for attys. Still rotate the originals but others lasted a week, some lasted forever.
Getting 2 batteries again from the original supplier right away, here's hoping!
Not saying Litecig has bad hardware, just that it appears not all are created equally or there are bad batches that get past quality control.
Right now, she's due for new batteries. Not due to them holding a charge, but I accidently overfilled a cart for her and it leaked into the auto battery. My bad for sure.
Me, I use a 510. From my experiences, they are great. Easier to maintain and use but mostly, produce wicked plumes of vapor and enough throat hit to make me choke if I take too long a drag.
In all honesty though, you might be better off going with a 2 piece design. Far less hassle as you don't have to worry about attys.
When I started vaping, I was completely broke too so I know where you are coming from. I managed to get enough together to get 2 kits and some juice. Now a days, im still broke, but doing it a bit different. I take 1/4 of the money I used to spend on analogs and put it in a separate account for vaping funds. About to buy my first mod from the money I put in it.
Don't give up. Vaping is cheaper than smoking easily once you get into the swing of it.
Just wanted to say, I too am a newbie, but after reading a few reviews I ended up buying an m401 starter kit from LiteCig.
I have had the exact opposite experience - my m401 has worked flawlessly since I've had it, and after a month of 0 maintenance (no blowing on the atty or draining it overnight or anything other than changing carts) it still works great. I went from smoking 30 analogs a day to 1 or 2, so you can be sure its getting used.
I have a few other standard m401 atty's that I use a little less, for flavors, and they are all still going strong too.
...so I guess this just shows there is variation among both people and PVs.
I have had the exact opposite experience - my m401 has worked flawlessly since I've had it, and after a month of 0 maintenance (no blowing on the atty or draining it overnight or anything other than changing carts) it still works great. I went from smoking 30 analogs a day to 1 or 2, so you can be sure its getting used.
I have a few other standard m401 atty's that I use a little less, for flavors, and they are all still going strong too.
...so I guess this just shows there is variation among both people and PVs.
It sounds like maybe you're having a wicking problem? With the vapor cutting off and the draw getting easier. If you have a bottle of juice, try just putting some in a contact case or something and dipping the end of the atomizer in the liquid then smoking on it for a few. If this works, and you can get consistent vapes from it, try a cartridge filler mod, I recommend the Blue Foam Plug made the vid myself to show it done on a 401, it was pioneered on the 510. Personally I like my 401 better than my 510, similar vapor, but I like the flavor a little better from the 401. Keep us posted, hopefully one of us can pin this down for you!
You could have gotten bad equipment the first time, luck of the draw.
But I also think there's a learning curve for some people starting to e-smoke. I started with a 6v device, and I friend a few rn4081 atomizers right out of the gate. I did the mistakes previously mentioned...frying the atty, not pulling any PM on it, overfilling the cartridge and drowning my atty, not letting it rest between drags, and so forth. I also have had better luck with a high voltage 510 atty along with the blue foam cart mod, but this is also probably due to me learning how to e smoke more effectively.
OTOH, my wife has a 3.7v dse 905 with a 901 atty/cart, and she hasn't had a single problem with it.
Despite the early problems I had, I'm not even considering going back to stink sticks:
1. One of the places where I spend a lot of time has gone completely non-smoking anywhere on the premises. I can't even imagine being stuck there all morning or all day in a high stress situation. I imagine I'll see more of this happening as time goes on.
2. I can vape danged well anywhere I want to, as long as I'm discreet and considerate about it. The mall, restaurants, department stores, my office, etc. Not having to freeze outside or in my garage while smoking almost deserves its own point.
3. I don't have the sinus headaches vaping that I did smoking. Nor does the missus. Ditto for coughing, tightness in my chest, and et cetera. Nor do my clothes, car and body stink like they used to.
4. Flavors. They took my beloved vanilla clove cigs away, but with a little smart shopping, I can get weeks worth of unlimited flavors for what used to cost me a pack or two of name brand cigs.
5. Costs. I haven't reached the break even point yet (mostly due to my early killing of attys and my kid in a candy store mentality) but we'll be there in a couple of weeks. I found a PV that I enjoy using (and have learned not to kill attys-knock on wood) and am stocked on e juice, and am not having to buy stink sticks. It feels good to drive by convenience stores that I had to visit almost daily. Stink sticks have a false economy to them...it may only take $5 or more up front and a pack of matches to buy, but I know that over the long run I'll be saving money. If you're strapped on cash, healthcabin, heaven's gifts or strictly e juice have some decently priced pv's, juice and accessories. I just adopted a 'go big or go home' mentality because a) I figured the more vapor and throat hit, the more likely I'd be to stick with it, and b) I didn't want to back to temporarily burning dead leaves because a tiny battery decided to give up the ghost.
Good luck, and keep up the faith.
But I also think there's a learning curve for some people starting to e-smoke. I started with a 6v device, and I friend a few rn4081 atomizers right out of the gate. I did the mistakes previously mentioned...frying the atty, not pulling any PM on it, overfilling the cartridge and drowning my atty, not letting it rest between drags, and so forth. I also have had better luck with a high voltage 510 atty along with the blue foam cart mod, but this is also probably due to me learning how to e smoke more effectively.
OTOH, my wife has a 3.7v dse 905 with a 901 atty/cart, and she hasn't had a single problem with it.
Despite the early problems I had, I'm not even considering going back to stink sticks:
1. One of the places where I spend a lot of time has gone completely non-smoking anywhere on the premises. I can't even imagine being stuck there all morning or all day in a high stress situation. I imagine I'll see more of this happening as time goes on.
2. I can vape danged well anywhere I want to, as long as I'm discreet and considerate about it. The mall, restaurants, department stores, my office, etc. Not having to freeze outside or in my garage while smoking almost deserves its own point.
3. I don't have the sinus headaches vaping that I did smoking. Nor does the missus. Ditto for coughing, tightness in my chest, and et cetera. Nor do my clothes, car and body stink like they used to.
4. Flavors. They took my beloved vanilla clove cigs away, but with a little smart shopping, I can get weeks worth of unlimited flavors for what used to cost me a pack or two of name brand cigs.
5. Costs. I haven't reached the break even point yet (mostly due to my early killing of attys and my kid in a candy store mentality) but we'll be there in a couple of weeks. I found a PV that I enjoy using (and have learned not to kill attys-knock on wood) and am stocked on e juice, and am not having to buy stink sticks. It feels good to drive by convenience stores that I had to visit almost daily. Stink sticks have a false economy to them...it may only take $5 or more up front and a pack of matches to buy, but I know that over the long run I'll be saving money. If you're strapped on cash, healthcabin, heaven's gifts or strictly e juice have some decently priced pv's, juice and accessories. I just adopted a 'go big or go home' mentality because a) I figured the more vapor and throat hit, the more likely I'd be to stick with it, and b) I didn't want to back to temporarily burning dead leaves because a tiny battery decided to give up the ghost.
Good luck, and keep up the faith.
If you want to try the 510, you can get a disposable kit for $9.99 at http://www.litecigusa.net/Disposables_c44.htm
2 packs of cigarettes cost as much as a new battery for my 510. I have saved aprox 150.00 a month since ive switched to e-cig and expect that number will rise once im settled on juice and parts.
Here's my 2 cents, FWIW, coming from a 510 and a M model (the Evo).
The auto batteries seem to be more reliable than the manual. I had 2 manuals and they both died within a month of receiving them - the supplier I bought them from even scraped them because of their short life span; so I do not recommend trying to find the problem while using one of those.
Pay attention to the light on your auto batteries. If you know it has a good charge but it feels like the light is struggling to come on, that means you're running dry. The autos on those batteries have a built in circuit that kills them if there isn't any juice getting to the atty.
That being said, flooding is easy to do as well. My advice is if you are dripping it needs at least 3 drops when dry. Let a drop bead up on the end of the bottle and touch it to the bridge, watching it soak up. Since the bridge is exposed, I would touch the bead to the left then right side, and then center. When it takes about 3 seconds to absorb stop dripping.
On a dry atty the draw is very 'loose'. After cleaning mine (in blue crest) I blow them out and let them dry for a day or two. When they go back into use it takes a good 5 puffs to get the juice flowing. Once the juice soaks in good you'll feel the increase in resistance to the draw.
In your situation I'd recommend blowing one out until it's dry. Then drip on it how I mentioned above. Puff on it 5 - 10 times, allowing some cool down in between, 5 -7 seconds at least. It will feel like sucking on a straw at first, but will start to kick in.
I've never used Litecig's hardware so I can't comment on that, but I have used a 510 and find the manual is a good companion to the m401. Cignot's disposable kits are supposed to good and very cost effective (ie they will last if you want).
Don't give up. The learning curve is high, but worth it.
The auto batteries seem to be more reliable than the manual. I had 2 manuals and they both died within a month of receiving them - the supplier I bought them from even scraped them because of their short life span; so I do not recommend trying to find the problem while using one of those.
Pay attention to the light on your auto batteries. If you know it has a good charge but it feels like the light is struggling to come on, that means you're running dry. The autos on those batteries have a built in circuit that kills them if there isn't any juice getting to the atty.
That being said, flooding is easy to do as well. My advice is if you are dripping it needs at least 3 drops when dry. Let a drop bead up on the end of the bottle and touch it to the bridge, watching it soak up. Since the bridge is exposed, I would touch the bead to the left then right side, and then center. When it takes about 3 seconds to absorb stop dripping.
On a dry atty the draw is very 'loose'. After cleaning mine (in blue crest) I blow them out and let them dry for a day or two. When they go back into use it takes a good 5 puffs to get the juice flowing. Once the juice soaks in good you'll feel the increase in resistance to the draw.
In your situation I'd recommend blowing one out until it's dry. Then drip on it how I mentioned above. Puff on it 5 - 10 times, allowing some cool down in between, 5 -7 seconds at least. It will feel like sucking on a straw at first, but will start to kick in.
I've never used Litecig's hardware so I can't comment on that, but I have used a 510 and find the manual is a good companion to the m401. Cignot's disposable kits are supposed to good and very cost effective (ie they will last if you want).
Don't give up. The learning curve is high, but worth it.
I don't have any advise about your 401, but have you contacted Shawn at LitCigUSA? He's really great with customer service and you might be able to help you out.
Since I don't have the time to thank you all individually, I'd like to do it as a whole: THANK YOU! I'm thinking that maybe some of these problems are noob related and I just need to get a hold of that learning curve. It's never taken me this long to learn something this simplistic. I tend to lose my cool really easily over something that I hold in high regard.
I'm thinking that maybe some of these problems are noob related and I just need to get a hold of that learning curve. It's never taken me this long to learn something this simplistic. I tend to lose my cool really easily over something that I hold in high regard.I love the joy 510 but stay away from the L2 and StricklyEJuice I never got my last order and they will not respond to my emails and week flavor RY4!
I'm so sick of something going wrong with my M401. This is a replacement and the previous kit lasted a week. This one, 1 out of two atties went out and the other is about to die. Mind you, this is only a week and a half into the new kit. I bought 2 atties from LiteCigUSA and now one of these are going out too.
My conclusion: Analogs are more cost efficient than these things. Too much can go wrong in a short amount of time and I'm not prepared to spend as much on e-cigs as analogs, but with added stress.
I have tried to get a friend of mine to use e-cigs. All I can say is that I started with a Blucig and now I only use a chuck. The batteries didn't hold a charge very well and I was cycling through 3 batteries all day. This was a big hassle. I also found the price of the pre-filled cartridges very costly.
I was a pack and a half a day smoker and I haven't used and analog in two months with no desires what so ever to go back. I own a Little Chuck build here in the states by thagbuilt.com. I only drip and make my own e-liquid. After the initial investment approx. $200, my monthly cost is about 1/4 of what I would be spending on analogs. Check out the Chuck/thagbuilt forum and the DIY Flavor Shack forum before you go back to smoking cigarettes. We would all love to help you kick the habit.
My conclusion: Analogs are more cost efficient than these things. Too much can go wrong in a short amount of time and I'm not prepared to spend as much on e-cigs as analogs, but with added stress.
It's a conclusion derived from obvious frustration and possibly shoddy hardware... give it some time and patience, or just go back to smoking. It's really amazing how some people seem to think e-cigs are supposed to be just as simple to use as lighting up a rolled bunch of dried leaves... well, the KR808 might just be
It's a conclusion derived from obvious frustration and possibly shoddy hardware... give it some time and patience, or just go back to smoking. It's really amazing how some people seem to think e-cigs are supposed to be just as simple to use as lighting up a rolled bunch of dried leaves... well, the KR808 might just be
Thanks for the insight, but no thanks to the criticism. I never expected it to be easier than lighting up.... I just didn't expect to go through so many atties in such a short amount of time.
I would like to eventually get a mod, but I'll have to be able to afford it first, lol.
The hardware can definitely be hit or miss and it isn't usually the vendors fault. I've been vaping for a little over a month now and just this past week killed both of my original attys on my 510 and had one fairly new one performing quite crappy. I was getting extremely frustrated with my 510 thinking I had gotten a piece of crap. I used a new atty yesterday and it was a whole new story with that one. I'm getting tons of vapor and a good throat hit finally. I think in my case it was partly user error and partly quality control with parts. Don't get discouraged. As you said, there is a definite learning curve and it will get easier the longer you stick with it.
Try and stick with it, its a new thing and there's a lot of interesting stuff out there. You really should be able to have a good experience with minimal investment if you focus on quality out of the box. Notice some of the original products and attys that most of the mods are designed for and work with, and you will probably notice a trend on what equipment works best to start with from the factory.
Best of luck and hang in there. You'll find the groove that works in time.
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