We'll see ..
By the way, I don't know if you've read the books, however, the coming GOT season should prove to be very interesting for the Lannister clan .. at least, what will be left of them ..
Add me to the list of those getting screwed...
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We'll see ..
By the way, I don't know if you've read the books, however, the coming GOT season should prove to be very interesting for the Lannister clan .. at least, what will be left of them ..
We'll see ..
By the way, I don't know if you've read the books, however, the coming GOT season should prove to be very interesting for the Lannister clan .. at least, what will be left of them ..
I have read them all. All things change. Our House goes on.
Hear me Roar!
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Here is part of the initial reply to my opening salvo...
I am aware that this is actually not entirely true, although I am leaving this alone for the time being.
My other question regarding the "tobacco cessation" program has not been sufficiently answered.
I am going to wait until I get a full understanding of that before I decide what my next response/move will be.
I am aware that this is actually not entirely true, although I am leaving this alone for the time being.
My other question regarding the "tobacco cessation" program has not been sufficiently answered.
I am going to wait until I get a full understanding of that before I decide what my next response/move will be.
I guess if you want to get snarky, you can ask if you are diet restricted now since potatoes and eggplant also have nicotine in them and should thusly be considered tobacco derivatives by their logic.
Good luck DC2, keep us posted.
Good luck DC2, keep us posted.
You may need to tone that roar down to a meow ..
Hey hey hey, watch the spoilers. I don't read too good so I'm getting my fix through HBO's version
It's sad, but this is one of the reasons I started Vaping. Our company said that next year we would be starting tobaccos surcharges. I went from 18mg/ml nic juice to 12mg/ml. My next purchase will be half that. I hope to be nic free by the next time my enrollement period comes up.
Luckily Nicotine doesn't stay that long in your system.
I plan on telling my company. Smoke????!!! hell no, I quit that last year and quietly and happily vape nic free juice...
Luckily Nicotine doesn't stay that long in your system.
I plan on telling my company. Smoke????!!! hell no, I quit that last year and quietly and happily vape nic free juice...
Haven't read the whole thread but IMO in the future there will be big lawsuits over this. Imagine how many people are being charged this surcharge when insurance companies know there is solid information out there that this is no more harmful than "acceptable" NRTs. I hope there are some consumer lawyers licking their chops over this, this is a lot of money.
Groups like CASAA should be putting out advisory releases on this kind of thing. Something along the lines of, we encourage insurance companies to not consider e-cigarettes tobacco use, as the research shows they are a completely different thing with far fewer health risks, and continued assessment of fees related to healthcare could be subject to future reimbursement, plus interest and damages, to ecig users, under the ACA's mandate to not charge frivolous premiums.
Groups like CASAA should be putting out advisory releases on this kind of thing. Something along the lines of, we encourage insurance companies to not consider e-cigarettes tobacco use, as the research shows they are a completely different thing with far fewer health risks, and continued assessment of fees related to healthcare could be subject to future reimbursement, plus interest and damages, to ecig users, under the ACA's mandate to not charge frivolous premiums.
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Okay, so I got the answer to my first question...
If I intend to enroll in the "tobacco cessation" program I qualify for the tobacco surcharge waiver.
--I have no idea what happens if I don't actually enroll in the program
--I have no idea what happens if I complete said program and then decide I need to use NRT products long-term to keep from relapsing
As an added twist, I do not have access to read about this "tobacco cessation" program until February 1st so I don't know what I'd be agreeing to.
Not sure what to do next, but it's pretty clear I'll be taking the waiver and not paying the $50 per month at this point.
If I intend to enroll in the "tobacco cessation" program I qualify for the tobacco surcharge waiver.
--I have no idea what happens if I don't actually enroll in the program
--I have no idea what happens if I complete said program and then decide I need to use NRT products long-term to keep from relapsing
As an added twist, I do not have access to read about this "tobacco cessation" program until February 1st so I don't know what I'd be agreeing to.
Not sure what to do next, but it's pretty clear I'll be taking the waiver and not paying the $50 per month at this point.
From the link above:
19. CONSTIPATION makes your body into a plugged sewer. Eating a raw food diet, one-half cup of molasses or a can of sauerkraut will put an end to it.
This folks is the answer. Send molasses and sauerkraut to all politicians, insurance company's and anti-vaping nuts. We know they are full of xxxx so this should cure them.
Strange as it may seem the American Lung Association is opposed to the tobacco surcharge.
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/to...rces/2013/factsheet-tobacco-surcharges-v2.pdf
It is a pure and simple money grab, well my thoughts on the ACA too.
My biggest question.. what constitutes a tobacco user? 1 cigarette a day? 5.. 1 pack 2 packs? 5 ml of 6 mg liquid at 12 watts? 24 mg?
I cannot believe this travesty passed... ohh wait. shut the door turn off the cell phones and well..
I have already written my rep and senators about it.
BTW 50 bucks is cheap compared to the 100s others are paying. They are also increasing it by age and time smoked. Clearly hitting some age discrimination lines there.
Which leads me to some states are banning the surcharge. One of them is your state, CA. (NY, NJ and MA) Ma being the poster state for single payer I may add.
How Much More Will Smokers Pay for Obamacare? - Businessweek
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/to...rces/2013/factsheet-tobacco-surcharges-v2.pdf
It is a pure and simple money grab, well my thoughts on the ACA too.
My biggest question.. what constitutes a tobacco user? 1 cigarette a day? 5.. 1 pack 2 packs? 5 ml of 6 mg liquid at 12 watts? 24 mg?
I cannot believe this travesty passed... ohh wait. shut the door turn off the cell phones and well..
I have already written my rep and senators about it.
BTW 50 bucks is cheap compared to the 100s others are paying. They are also increasing it by age and time smoked. Clearly hitting some age discrimination lines there.
Which leads me to some states are banning the surcharge. One of them is your state, CA. (NY, NJ and MA) Ma being the poster state for single payer I may add.
How Much More Will Smokers Pay for Obamacare? - Businessweek
This whole things stinks. This is how they go about getting these bans and control measures in place. A little here, a little there. If every insurance company did this all at once there would be a lot more noise about it, no just a few here and there, chip away. Wait until next year when the AHCA kicks in....OH BOY, you'll hear the howling then.
As far as going to the cessation program, take it as an opportunity to get the other smokers to vape, start an underground up rising at the program, just be careful not to get caught.
Good luck and I'm sorry to hear you and anyone having to go through this crap. And for those that don't smoke or vape, this to is coming to a town near you, just what will it be next? Your food of choice, drink? Fools.
You know, people who "live off the government" (Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, Obama phones, public housing) don't have to worry about this stuff!
Sorry, a few holocaust victims might take exception to comparing those responsible for the eradication of their people to those making us pay more for insurance. But it does go to show how little the imposition of power is utilized based on fact.
What would you call someone that is purposely lying and urging legislation in an attempt to keep a life-saving option away from the public?
I guess it depends on how you define "eradicating" although it is true that their philosophy is often described as "quit or die".
Okay, you got me. We're under Nazi rule. I'm an apologist so be good to me and you'll be on Jay-Dub's list. Steven Spielberg's ancestors will make an art film about it. Regarding the OP, thanks for the heads-up.
If you are using a juice that includes Nicotine USP as the only nicotine ingredient why not say no, I don't use tobacco products?
If they question or test you tell them you are using nicotine gum, which is not prohibited by the contract. And have some 4mg nicotine gum ready to prove it.
If they question or test you tell them you are using nicotine gum, which is not prohibited by the contract. And have some 4mg nicotine gum ready to prove it.
That's pretty much the direction I'm heading for now...
But my attempts to clarify things are starting to get pretty interesting.
I don't think they saw me coming.
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