addicted to nicotine

[NutttSo]

I have smoked for 35 years. I am addicted to nicotine, and tryed everything out there to quit smoking and failed every time, I have been using the e-cig for 2 months, even tho I have not smoked a real cig since I started with the e-cig. I will not say I have quit smoking. I have just found a alternative way of getting the nicotine I am addicted too, without the poisons found in tobacco, and it is now called vaping, is it a safer alternative? I don't know, only time will tell, all I know is I feel better health wise than I have felt in years. maybe over time I will go to 0nic. but I think if I do I will contnue to use the e-cig as I enjoy it,
if the e-cig is banned I guess I will have to go back to smoking the real thing, like I said I am addicted to nicotine. and that is a addiction worse than crack and harder to kick.

NutttSo

 

[usamare]

An interesting point; As a smoker, I saw cigarettes as a single, unbreakable addiction. Switching to vapor, and then toying with different nicotine levels revealed that it was never a single addiction, but a great many small ones. Sort of like a cable made from several strands all wound together. It's no wonder patches, gum, and lozenges don't work. Nicotine itself is just a minor thread in the cable. Try to pull free of all but one thin thread, and 98% of addicts will fold under the weight of all the others. I would venture a guess that completely removing nicotine from existing cigarettes would have a similarly small impact.

Nicotine or no, I think I'll continue vaping until I find something even less dangerous that gives an adequate sensation.

Definitely keep in mind, that even if e-cigs get the federal axe, standard vaporizers have been around for a very long time. Saturate just about anything with a little vegetable glycerin, and you've got billowing clouds of vapor. There's no need to go back to cigarettes.

Be safe!

 

[NutttSo]

your right the addiction is not only the nicotine, it's the hand to mouth, the draw, and the feeling you get as you inhale and exhale, seeing the smoke as it leaves the lungs and fills the air, is this not the same as with the e-cig? thats why I say I have not quit smoking, I am just calling it vaping now.
the hole point I am trying to make is everyone is saying I have quit smoking, but in reality they have just traded smokeing for vaping a alternative,
a "alternative" is not saying it is safe, it's not saying it's a smoking Cessation,
if we say I do not smoke tobacco anymore I use a "alternative" to help me live with my addiction, would't that help us with the FDA and AMA?? they help ppl on drugs don't they?

 

[bri1270]

My addiction goes way beyond the nicotine. I can use no nic liquid almost all day without any problem. To me it's more about the habit, about the feeling of breathing it in, and giving my hands something to do. I actually don't use higher than 10mg now, and I've switched to using no nic as often as possible.

 

[mamacat]

My addiction goes way beyond the nicotine. I can use no nic liquid almost all day without any problem. To me it's more about the habit, about the feeling of breathing it in, and giving my hands something to do. I actually don't use higher than 10mg now, and I've switched to using no nic as often as possible.

That is awesome! This is where I hope to end up - 0mg. I have wondered if I could obtain a 0mg juice that gave a good kick in the throat, if I would be able to just go straight to 0mg. I need to start searching for reviews on good throat kicking 0mg liquid.

 

[breakfastchef]

It is hard enough to try and convince the anti-smoking population that we are not smoking. Smoking is smoking and vaping is vaping. Two different things entirely. If you cannot come to terms with the word 'vaping', then you should, at least, refer to yourself as someone who no longer uses tobacco or a person who uses a nicotine inhalation device to keep you from smoking cigarettes.

 

[usamare]

your right the addiction is not only the nicotine, it's the hand to mouth, the draw, and the feeling you get as you inhale and exhale, seeing the smoke as it leaves the lungs and fills the air, is this not the same as with the e-cig? thats why I say I have not quit smoking, I am just calling it vaping now.
the hole point I am trying to make is everyone is saying I have quit smoking, but in reality they have just traded smokeing for vaping a alternative,
a "alternative" is not saying it is safe, it's not saying it's a smoking Cessation,
if we say I do not smoke tobacco anymore I use a "alternative" to help me live with my addiction, would't that help us with the FDA and AMA?? they help ppl on drugs don't they?

That's a tough sell.
Switching from smoke to vapor is a tiny difference to the observer, a modest difference sensationally to the user, but an INCREDIBLY HUGE difference medically. 4000 chems with carcinigens, compared to about 20 chems no carcinigens.
But then you know that already.

I have been unable to classify myself to people around me, because it would be a HUGE lie to say that I smoke. But since I go through most of the rituals of a smoker, I don't call myself a non-smoker, and most people would reach for their guns if I told them I was a vaporor
But are vaporors actually nicotine addicts?
Not necessarily.
Nicotine adds throat hit to e-juice, which partially replicates the physical sensation of smoke in the respiratory system. True it causes a light buzz, but chances are it's the throat hit that keeps vaporors using it in quantity.

If, as a vaporor, you're able to use 0nic juice for a few weeks straight, what drug are you addicted to?
How do you even explain it without sounding like you're ready for a mental institution?

I suppose after my rambling I can appreciate where you're coming from, just not where you're going. The forum users have done a GREAT job of making their voices heard when and where it is possible for them to do so. But even in our thousands, the government doesn't seem to respect our opinions. Write senators, post on news sites, and donate to the ECF when they make the news. There's just not much else we can realistically do.

 

[NutttSo]

what I am trying to get across is every where I look ppl are saying they have quit smoking, in the eyes of the FDA AMA and other groups that makes the
e-cig a smoking Cessation device,
smoking Cessation helps quit the addiction you have from smoking cigarettes, the nic, the hand to mouth and so on,
I have not quit all I have been addicted to. it is just I am not getting it from smoking cigarettes anymore, I am getting it from a"alternative" my e-cig,
when I bought the e-cig I bought it as an alternative to smoking cigarettes. I knew I could not give up my addiction, and really I did'nt want too,
saying Smoking is smoking and vaping is vaping. is Two different things entirely. is wrong. only things different is the device and all the poisons in the cigarettes
what ever you call it smoking or vaping. I am getting the same nic,the hand to mouth, the draw, and the feeling you get as you inhale and exhale, seeing the smoke as it leaves the lungs and fills the air,
and I am enjoying it, I can have my morning vape and a cup of coffee, I can sit and watch TV and vape, and yes even if I go to 0nic I can have my addiction,

 

[usamare]

The trouble is, the anti movement is more blind and viscous than an angry mob with pitchforks.
To them, e-cigarette = cigarette = cancer = health-care cost problems = poverty = evil = the only thing between us and utopia = nicotine = smoking
To 75% of the population, those are all different ways to say the same thing.

No matter what we call it, the FDA will soon have unquestionable control over it. We have e-cigs now because their dominion is questionable until the Philip Morris Monopoly Act gets signed into law.

Once they have absolute control, they will either ignore e-cigarettes for a while, or they will immediately ban them from import and sale. Once a company approaches them with extensive test results, then they will consider whether or not to allow them to be imported/sold. But not until then.

As consumers, the best we can do is shake the general public consensus about the products. If we run around posting that it's a safer way to smoke...the anti movement will pressure the FDA hard to get it off the market, and they will.

If everyone sees e-cigs as a spectacular weapon AGAINST smoking (which is true), then there MAY be a longer lead time between full FDA control and banning. The bottom line is, our best shot to keep the e-cigs flowing is to make honest, but powerful statements about them everywhere we can. Thousands of hard core smokers pronouncing that they've thrown away their cigarettes after 5,10,20,40 years is very potent, very true, and the best we can do to shape the public image.
That's my opinion anyway

 

[Doug Dino]

I kinda feel the same way NutttSo, I was able to stop lightin' up in a day, it was easy because "Nicotine A" was still gettin' into "Lungs B". I'v been vapin' for two weeks as of this post and i got a reality check today when i ran out of juice, drove an hour to the gas station that sells Njoy carts and then squeeezed um into my 510. I switched because of the cancer and heart disease scare, i'm fine with being addicted to nicotine...um.... until i'm out of nicotine.

 

[Frankie]

I had no problems switching from smoke to vapor. Even going from vapor to snus was a walk in the park. Then I stopped snusing, and throughout the hell that ensued I - ironically - yearned for snus, even though I had used that form of delivery for a few months only. Probably because it was the last method my body remembered.

So my experience absolutely denies any habit-things, hand to mouth or whatever. My addiction is nicotine only.

 

[Surf Monkey]

There's no doubt in my mind that addiction to cigarettes is WAY more than addiction to nicotine. The nic addiction is there, and it's hard to break, but I think it'll be easier to cut out nicotine now that I'm no longer smoking analogues. I've quit regular cigarettes twice (went a year without one on both occasions) and it was pretty rough at first. I had a similar experience switching from cigarettes to vapor, but the nicotine content in the juice eased the transition. It's obvious to me that vapor versus smoke is a big step down the addiction ladder. If the vaporizer was outlawed tomorrow there's no way in hell I'd go back to analogues. I'd just bite the bullet and go through the nic withdrawal. Without having to get off all the other crap in analogues I think it would be far easier than quitting regular smoking.

 

[Computer Extreme]

Fact: Nicotine in its natural form is safe and non toxic
Fact – We consume it everyday

It’s present in many common foods such as potatoes, tomatoes chillies and tea

Fact – Nicotine is good for you.

It improves memory, concentration and mood, by influencing the neuro transmitters in the brain and is the subject of intense medical research, to treat diseases such as
Parkinson’s and Altzeimer’s Disease, depression and Attention disorders.

Concentrated nicotine will cause harmful effects or even death.
I think as in all things including vaping, moderation is the key.

If you want to get off of nicotine, you might consider removing all nic laced foods for awhile too.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Fact – Nicotine is good for you.

Though there's ample evidence that the main risk behind traditional smoking is in the combustion byproducts, fine particulate, tar and so forth, I think there's still some dispute about the "benefits" of using nicotine. Saying that it's good for you isn't really something I'd peg to the word "fact" personally. I'm willing to entertain the idea, but I'd need to see more research first. At the moment what I've read leads me to believe that it's not horrible for you, but not necessarily good either.

 

[Computer Extreme]

Every year I plant 20 to 30 tomato plants.
I get a yield of approx 300 to 500lbs of ripe tomatoes of which I eat raw or can.
I also get a yield of approx 150lbs of green tomatoes of which I pickle.

I have asked several of my doctor clients about the nic content of tomatoes.
The consensus has been about 1-2lbs of vine ripened tomatoes = 1 standard cigarette.

(my tomatoes range 1/2 to 3/4lb each)

Tomatoes you get at the store are green and then gassed to make them red/orange.

I hate store bought tomatoes, they have no taste at all. I love ripe tomato cut and served moments off the vine at their peak.

It may be the nicotine in the tomatoes that I or anyone who eats them craves.

I'm wondering if the FDA is going to regulate or ban the nicotine in my tomato garden as its been reported all over the net that nicotine is as addictive as ......

So my Idea is for Frankie to switch from vaping now, to eating ripe tomatoes.

 

[Doug Dino]

will tomato juice gunk up my atty'?

 

[fresca]

Every year I plant 20 to 30 tomato plants.
I get a yield of approx 300 to 500lbs of ripe tomatoes of which I eat raw or can.
I also get a yield of approx 150lbs of green tomatoes of which I pickle.

I have asked several of my doctor clients about the nic content of tomatoes.
The consensus has been about 1-2lbs of vine ripened tomatoes = 1 standard cigarette.

(my tomatoes range 1/2 to 3/4lb each)

Tomatoes you get at the store are green and then gassed to make them red/orange.

I hate store bought tomatoes, they have no taste at all. I love ripe tomato cut and served moments off the vine at their peak.

It may be the nicotine in the tomatoes that I or anyone who eats them craves.

I'm wondering if the FDA is going to regulate or ban the nicotine in my tomato garden as its been reported all over the net that nicotine is as addictive as ......

So my Idea is for Frankie to switch from vaping now, to eating ripe tomatoes.

Watch out! You've got fruit-flavored nicotine!

Tomatoes are still a fruit, right?

 

[dansaber]

i cant wait to try one, comes in tomorrow Gigiddy gigiddy Goo.

 

[Stubby]

I had no problems switching from smoke to vapor. Even going from vapor to snus was a walk in the park. Then I stopped snusing, and throughout the hell that ensued I - ironically - yearned for snus, even though I had used that form of delivery for a few months only. Probably because it was the last method my body remembered.

So my experience absolutely denies any habit-things, hand to mouth or whatever. My addiction is nicotine only.

I've had a very similar experience except that I was never able to quit smoking when I vaped. Just not enough nicotine. A few days after I started snusing I smoked my last cigarette. And this after nearly 40 years of smoking.

I'm going to guess that different individuals are going to have different reactions, but for me it's nicotine I wanted. The whole hand to mouth oral fixation thing was way overblown. Smoking was just the way I got my nicotine. When I switched to snus it seemed to take a few weeks for my brain to figure out that my nicotine now came from snus. After that I rarely thought about smoking or vaping. I do still occasionally get a little panic type attack where I'll want a cigarette. It passes quickly enough.