Advancements in Vaping Technology...

[KY_Rob]

Seems to me that the vaping Industry has gone a little stale in the past several months. Since the Asian suppliers figured out how to make a decent chip set, the biggest advancements I've seen is in the high-powered, cloud chucking, clearo market.

I've very nearly found my elusive "vape nirvana" (meaning the batteries never let me down, and my tank never runs dry as long as I attend to them only once in 24hrs, and rewick once a week). The only real complaints I have is the overall size and weight along with a very breakable glass tank (yes, I've successfully clutzed two of them so far).

I don't really have an interest in much over 40w, and while temp control is promising it's just still too finicky for me as a daily driver...

What I would like to see is advancement in batteries...as in 4500-5000mah's stuffed into something the size of an 18350 (or smaller) and able to safely deliver the current needed. I think this is the next great leap.

Anyone else have thoughts on things they think would change the vaping landscape (technologically speaking)?

 

[Mazinny]

How about some new products for the benefit of vapers who don't go much above 15 watts ( possibly the large majority of vapers outside the forums, i.e the large majority of vapers ). We have had over 20 different sub-ohm tanks just in the past six months, but where are the newer, more reliable, plug and play tanks for smokers . I think the industry has forgotten about tobacco harm reduction and converting smokers to vaping and they are all competing over existing enthusiast vapers and lifestyle vapers, with higher wattage and cloud production being the emphasis.

I have nothing against vapor production, but it seems to me " helping people quit smoking " should be an important goal of innovation as well.

 

[suprtrkr]

Actually, I think Temp Control *is* the next big thing. When was the last time you tried it? I have a Snow Wolf and it's flawless. It stays true to temp, and doesn't jump out of mode. Ever. I don't have one, but I read the same thing for the EVIC VT. I am further expecting good things from the coming Sigeleis as they are supposed to use the same chip as in my Snow Wolf. As for batteries... that's asking a lot, although it would be wonderful to have. I saw a 3S LiPo pack on eBay the other day, 11.1v, 7500 mAh in a 1 x 1 x 5 package. But LiPos are not all that safe a chemistry without some circuitry on the board. Much of what you want is already available, but it gets doggone expensive. That LiPo pack I mentioned retailed for $63.00. Another interesting consideration for batteries is the trade-off for storage capacity is generally current capacity. We will have done no good getting a 10,000 mAh battery if it will only hold 3 amps.

 

[bussdriver]

Mazinny hit it. I've got no problem myself, rebuilding and DIY is routine. But I have friends who are into things like the Protank 2, and some still the CE4. They like them, and really don't want to rebuild, have 8 coils, or want to replace their original Evics just to get a new device; most of them are below 1.5 ohms. Personally I have trouble even knowing what to recommend to them.

Decent advancements for the new vapers and toddle puffers would be ideal.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Profit drives innovation.
It costs money to develop new technology.

The new sub tank trend comes after years of waiting and thousands of low watt devices.
Try a Kayfun it's a turtle fluffers dream.

Battery advancements are beyond the scope if the vape industry.
We already use the best, safest IMR battery tech available.

Believe me, if we could get 2000mah and 20a out of an 18350 IMR battery we would have them. It's just not possible yet.

 

[WonderDude32]

I feel that more focus is needed on getting people to come to vaping as well. How about some atomizers that don't get hot and maybe reduce the spit back? If I were a newb, I'd think something is really wrong with that type of tank. What if we focus on reliability as well. No more leaks would be nice. A few advancements in flavoring wouldn't hurt either. I believe that these issues can be solved by the right companies and some are working toward fixing them, just not to a 99% margin. I also like the ideas posted above.

 

[AXIOM_1]

I have nothing against vapor production, but it seems to me " helping people quit smoking " should be an important part of innovation as well.

While I am a true cloud chucker, I do agree with your statement. More innovation should go towards getting people off the death sticks.

 

[KY_Rob]

All very good points!

For the most part, I'm essentially a tootle-puffer. 20w on a 1.1 ohm coil, and I'm a happy camper.

I used to swear by carto tanks, then the Aspire Nautilus, then the "frugal" in me ventured into rebuilding. I do own a Subtank mini (had to find out what all the hype was about), and it's a good system, but I can generate the same levels of performance myself for far less consumable cost.

Leak proof with performance would be awesome! Tis a great goal to chase!

While I do agree that battery technology is beyond vaping's realm (from a development standpoint), it's still a "want"

Maybe the holy grail is to somehow figure out how to vaporize e-liquid more efficiently. I remember seeing something a year or so ago where someone was trying to crowd-fund some new way of vaporization...and haven't heard or read anything about this since.

Rambling on, it's fun to see what everyone's thinking and understand the different perspectives.

 

[englishmick]

Coils. I enjoy making coils and wicks now but probably most people who vape don't.

Replacing coils was a big pain for me when I started. It was really hard to figure out when they needed replacing, and the quality was rather inconsistent. And they were a big expense.

Looking back coils and leaks were my main problems with vaping. I knew several people who gave up on vaping because of the problems and the learning curve. People want simple. I hate to say this but disposable sealed cartridges really could have a role, if they weren't so outrageously expensive and inefficient. If BT don't get to control the market and control prices, good cheap cartridges might become an option that would appeal to a lot of vapers.

 

[zoiDman]

I wonder what Role the coming Deeming may have in All This?

 

[VNeil]

The only advancements we will see in batteries is more brazen falsification of specs. Really.

 

[caramel]

Anyone else have thoughts on things they think would change the vaping landscape (technologically speaking)?

Nicoventure's Voke and/or anything similar.

No batteries. No "smoke". Licensed as medical device. What's not to like.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

Nicoventure's Voke and/or anything similar.

No batteries. No "smoke". Licensed as medical device. What's not to like.

Will it have good, or any, flavor?

 

[caramel]

Will it have good, or any, flavor?

Infinitely better than the ones that you can't use at all because of various bans.

 

[GeorgeS]

Companies will develop products which have one or (hopefully) both high margin and high volume.

While entire industries have revolved around almost giving away the main "product" and then making both their margin and volume on "consumables" (read here as juice and coils).

Thankfully because of competition the 'trickle down effect' of this years "low end" feature set was last years 'high end'. Better and better stuff will get pushed into the "starter market".

Battery life plagues all electric devices, there has got to be a better way then using heating coils to vaporize our juice. Not everyone wants to wind their own coils or mix their own juices however the economic incentives to do so is so overwhelming it is difficult to imagine the majority of vapors continuing to purchase pre-made juice at >=$1ml and coils at 2-$5 each.

As far as new products go, I'm in heaven with my iStick TC40W and STM2. A large step up from the Vmax+Nautilus setup I was using before and a HUGE step up from the iTaste Clk! and Aspire Maxi I started with just a few months ago.

 

[vapeydave]

I vote invisible vapor. Then I could vape anywhere.

 

[Completely Average]

How about some new products for the benefit of vapers who don't go much above 15 watts ( possibly the large majority of vapers outside the forums, i.e the large majority of vapers ). We have had over 20 different sub-ohm tanks just in the past six months, but where are the newer, more reliable, plug and play tanks for smokers . Seems to me the industry has forgotten about tobacco harm reduction and converting smokers to vaping and they are all competing over existing enthusiast vapers and lifestyle vapers, with higher wattage and cloud production being the emphasis.

I have nothing against vapor production, but it seems to me " helping people quit smoking " should be an important part of innovation as well.

The problem is there isn't much room left to "innovate" in that area. As far as clearos go, there really isn't much room for advancement beyond the Nautilus for the tootle puffer. I can see adding top-fill and maybe improving the airflow options a bit more, but beyond that where do you go? Coils last about as long as they're going to unless some form of new wicking material is introduced and the Nautilus and iClear 30S seem to have the flavor nailed about as good as you can get from a low wattage tank.

If there is room left for real innovation on this front it would be in the development of top-fill options for bottom coiled clearos, and in designing tanks specifically for temperature control mods. The latter is where I think most new innovation would come from as current tanks aren't made for temperature controlled devices and changes to the chimney designs and wicking could really improve the overall performance with temperature controlled coils. Aside from the Nautilus I really can't think of any temperature control tanks for the tootle puffer.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

MAGNETS!!!

 

[cj081283]

If there is room left for real innovation on this front it would be in the development of top-fill options for bottom coiled clearos, and in designing tanks specifically for temperature control mods. The latter is where I think most new innovation would come from as current tanks aren't made for temperature controlled devices and changes to the chimney designs and wicking could really improve the overall performance with temperature controlled coils. Aside from the Nautilus I really can't think of any temperature control tanks for the tootle puffer.

The eleaf gs air is getting nickel coils. Besides that I can't think of any others.

 

[kartoffelfaust]

+1 for smaller hardware. Recently swapped out an IPV mini for a sig mini 30w, and giving the subtank mini a shot over the lemo. Much more compact and light weight. But would like something that performs as well, but even more compact. Still reminds me of a walkie-talkie or 80's - early 90's cell phone.

The limit on size is power, so power storage innovation is required instead of recycling stuff that's out there.

Another is a fool-proof tank that handles high viscosity liquids. Most require extreme futzing at over 80% vg. The subtank and lemo get close, but certainly not easy for a newbie.

Further out there is disconnecting the heating element from the liquid its vaporizing, thereby making the heating element and (optional) wicking materiel last exponentially longer. Consider a pot of boiling water. You don't get a bunch of crud on the burner just from applying heat to the bottom of a stainless steel pot. The trick is conducting heat effectively and efficiently. If you compare the current micro electronics to the concepts in an atomizer, the latter is something that could have been put together decades or perhaps well over a century ago.