Advancements in Vaping Technology...
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LiPO batteries work fine in mods but, you are correct in that they are more particular in how they're charged. The discharge rates are fantastic for cloud chasing as the 4 and 8 motor copters that they are powering suck some juice. Take a couple of 7500mah batteries and suck em dry in 15 minutes or so. I've seen em rated at 60C and such. I've been looking for 3.8V, 5000mah LiPO batteries for a specific mod I want to build but they're not available. Luckily they new chipsets they've come out with run on two 3.7v in series and you can find plenty of very reasonable 7+ volt LiPOs around. Might have to try one. If you go with a single battery mod you avoid most of the battery charging problems such as balancing them, etc..
There have been some really nice tanks with replaceable cartridges lately. I might have to take a look at them because I have a friend that fits the NOOB category perfectly. He doesn't really want to mess with coils and such. Still,I am trying to teach him how to use a kayfun as it really is quite reliable and simple but, he doesn't seem to be picking it up. He's from Laos so the communication is a little slow.
Busardo reviewed a new tank this last video (can't remember the name and too lazy to go look at 3 in the morning) that looks promising for both NOOB and advanced users. Has a 1.8 coil and a .4 ohm in the initial package as well as a rebuildable deck. Top fill too. I'll bet the coils are pricey though. 5 bucks could be ok as long as they last a LONG while.
Kind of sounds like the aspire triton? Kind of sounds like it Just from the resistances and the top fill and an rba section as well.
You guys might actually laugh at this idea but the latest (AFAIK) trend in kitchen technology is induction cooking. Imagine a coil made from a metal or other material that heats up under a magnetic field similar to those found in induction cookware. Then just have something like a neodymium magnet (I'm thinking of a tube style mod) that has a bottom fire button but you're just pushing the magnet up towards the coil. Magnetic field engulfs the coil, heats the coil, heats up the juice, etc. etc. A spring pushes the magnet back down when you let go of the button and the coil cools down.
And there you have it. A battery-less vaporizer. So that successfully eliminates the dangers of bad batteries and unsafe usage of batteries in most cases. The only new concern would be how to keep the coils from heating above a certain temperature so you don't catch your wick or juice on fire and blow up the tank which leads me to my next idea:
Temp Control is also a really good thing when it works. It's supposedly more energy efficient so your battery lasts longer and doesn't use as much juice so your juice lasts longer. If there were some way to integrate that into the "Magnetic Mod" (patent pending lol) it would be literally the best mod on the market. No batteries to use and safer, more juice efficient coils. Now I just need a chemist, a scientist and a machinist!
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I tend to think the most room for improvement is in batteries. But the advances are fairly slow, and will be in other markets, and then it`ll be cross over tech. But, ten years ago a viable electric car was a day dream, now the batteries are good enough to provide it. I believe they`ll continue to push bat tech and we`ll see the benefits in vaping as time pass`s.
Other than that there is only so much you can do with a heated wire, and while we are all looking at temp control I don`t think it will be the end all do all of vaping, I have`nt even considered it for myself personally. But what I really want is a all day battery that will push a .2 coil.
Other than that there is only so much you can do with a heated wire, and while we are all looking at temp control I don`t think it will be the end all do all of vaping, I have`nt even considered it for myself personally. But what I really want is a all day battery that will push a .2 coil.
I got into vaping at a really interesting time, and looking back at the history of vaping, the last two to two and a half years have seen (IMO) an explosion of technology and devices. I wouldn't say that things have gone stale, I think there's some exciting things happening with temperature control, and I expect to see more moderate powered devices with TC. Imagine what an Ego/CE4 TC combo would do to help starting vapers!
How do they work? I don't get it!
Sorry to rain on your parade, VCross, but induction works because the magnetic field changes. The change in megnetic field induces a current in the pan and the heating effect of that current heats the pan. Just like transformers work on AC and not DC.
If you could push the button 50 times a second it would work fine. I suppose clockwork would be an option. ;-)
Regarding separating the coil and the liquid, the main problem you hit there is thermal mass. We need the coil to heat up and cool down in a fraction of a second. Even big coils get too slow to be usable. If the coil is heating the pan, then the pan must have a tiny thermal mass. So either it would be slow or it would be fragile.
The other vaping technology is, I think, the original one patented in the 1960's for e-cigs: ultrasonics. That would be neat if someone got it to work, but there's probably a top end to the power you could push through it.
inductive heating is an energy hog... and it requires an AC signal at a relatively hi frequency to heat the part... and its a slow ramp up period too....
Yeah, I forgot that Inductive usually uses an elctromagnet with alternating current. I didn't remember that until you guys said something.
You don't see new "reliable" stuff because there is no money to be made.
Look at it this way, when you smoked, you bought a cigarette and used it once. Then you bought another cigarette (or 20) By comparison, the carto tank I'm using this morning is over 4 years old. Damn hard for a company to stay in business if they never get to sell me a new one.
There has been a new version of clearo tank almost every week for the past 3 years. The industry, like the cigarette companies in the past, thrives by selling new stuff. Why would they want to sell a one dollar carto that lasts a month instead of a 3-5 dollar atomizer head that lasts a week, or a 20 dollar carto tank that lasts forever instead of a 50 dollar clearo tank that they will stop producing & replace with a new version in a month.
Bottom line:
The vaping industry is going out of it's way to make vaping as expensive as possible.
They want our money!
A nanotech super battery would be the biggest advance in mechanical engineering since the invention of steam power. The problem is storing very large amounts of electrical power in a battery bumps into laws of physics. It's probably not in mother nature's rule book. My recent experience with my first TC mod, a Kangxin mini, tells me that TC has arrived and is reliable enough for beginners. TC could eliminate the need for glass tanks because low vapor production tellls you it's time to refill without a dry hit. I've been using drippers exclusively for some months. TC makes them easier to use. I stopped using my rebuildable tank because I like to refesh the wick after a day of use and the tank is more complicated and time consuming to service. I will own a TC version of my iStick 50 if it can get through a full day without recharging and is as reliable in TC mode as the Kangxin. Kangxin's TC has spoiled me.
Well said. While I have managed to get off the sticks myself, I am forced to agree any improvement assisting others in this noble goal is worth pursuing. Leak proof would be wonderful. To some extent this has been achieved in the squonk-box realm, if you use an atty with no cap wall vents. This complicates the structure, crowds the deck and increases expense, but it can be done; witness Council of Vapor Aris. Yeah, it'll leak a drop or two if you turn it completely upside down, but not from laying on its side. Getting better batteries, I fear, is going to have to wait for different chemistry than Lithium. Increasing efficiencies is always good, but a modern box mod already has the same in the mid-90s. Diminishing returns is going to rear it's ugly head. And making e-liquid easier to vaporize... perhaps some safe catalytic additive can be found-- I'm jot a chemist or biologist-- but this seems unlikely. Heat of vaporization is heat of vaporization. I do not think the Second Law of Thermodynamics is going to repeal itself to benefit vapersAll very good points!
For the most part, I'm essentially a tootle-puffer. 20w on a 1.1 ohm coil, and I'm a happy camper.
I used to swear by carto tanks, then the Aspire Nautilus, then the "frugal" in me ventured into rebuilding. I do own a Subtank mini (had to find out what all the hype was about), and it's a good system, but I can generate the same levels of performance myself for far less consumable cost.
Leak proof with performance would be awesome! Tis a great goal to chase!
While I do agree that battery technology is beyond vaping's realm (from a development standpoint), it's still a "want"
Maybe the holy grail is to somehow figure out how to vaporize e-liquid more efficiently. I remember seeing something a year or so ago where someone was trying to crowd-fund some new way of vaporization...and haven't heard or read anything about this since.
Rambling on, it's fun to see what everyone's thinking and understand the different perspectives.
Lord Kelvin is spinning in his grave, lol...
I think you're right on target that separating the heating element from directly contacting the liquid would be a big advance in coil life.
Different battery and safe even if you drive a nail through it.
Stanford's aluminum battery fully charges in just one minute
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Stanford's aluminum battery fully charges in just one minute
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The same way motors and generators do. Electricity *is* magnetism, and vice versa. Move a coil through a magnetic field, or move a magnet through a stationary coil, it generates current in the coil. Works in reverse, too: apply a current to the coil, and the magnet moves. He's right in theory; building a man-portable, never mind hand held, device that generates sufficient current is going to be a challenge given current state of the art.
I'm totally content with what I use now ... for my vape needs, I need no new tech or vape advancement to keep me off smokes.
New power delivery technology is definitely needed. That would make it much more practical than current technology, which is that if you want to go a whole day vaping, you need a bunch of Mahs to get you there.
Separating the element from the juice can't be the only way, since something has to contact the juice to heat it up to the point of vaporization. Be it the wire, or some other substance, the juice has to contact something hot. Temperature Control is the closest method that has been made practical to use at this point in time.
I remember seeing 2 or 3 years ago, in devices using the genesis style wicking, that some were experimenting with winding the coil around a tiny pyrex tube. The capillary action brought the juice up from the tank, and would hopefully be vaporized as it contacted the hot glass. But again, heat up and cool down time was enormous, along with the wasted power to heat up the tube, and then wasted heat while cooling down again.
Another was the Vaping Donut, which embedded the coil in a ceramic donut. Slow to heat up and cool down, but it seems if it was made with smaller mass it would allow for faster operation. It would be very fragile though.
Again, it seems to me that some sort of temperature control is desirable to gain consistency of vape, along with eliminating the problems of dry hits and burnt juice.
Now, if we could just make little handheld nuke plants to generate the heat for us..........
Separating the element from the juice can't be the only way, since something has to contact the juice to heat it up to the point of vaporization. Be it the wire, or some other substance, the juice has to contact something hot. Temperature Control is the closest method that has been made practical to use at this point in time.
I remember seeing 2 or 3 years ago, in devices using the genesis style wicking, that some were experimenting with winding the coil around a tiny pyrex tube. The capillary action brought the juice up from the tank, and would hopefully be vaporized as it contacted the hot glass. But again, heat up and cool down time was enormous, along with the wasted power to heat up the tube, and then wasted heat while cooling down again.
Another was the Vaping Donut, which embedded the coil in a ceramic donut. Slow to heat up and cool down, but it seems if it was made with smaller mass it would allow for faster operation. It would be very fragile though.
Again, it seems to me that some sort of temperature control is desirable to gain consistency of vape, along with eliminating the problems of dry hits and burnt juice.
Now, if we could just make little handheld nuke plants to generate the heat for us..........
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