Advancements in Vaping Technology...

[Stosh]

Totally leak-proof would be nice but I fear it's a logical impossibility. To produce vapor at the drip tip for us to enjoy, the eliquid has to be vaporized and air passed over the heating element.

This requires an opening for air that is both open to the outside and also open to the coil / eliquid reservoir. If the eliquid has any path to the outside, it's a path that will allow it to leak (some more than others).

TC is the next big thing, and as it becomes more stable would seem to be poised to take over the APV market. When working correctly it eliminates dry hits and burning eliquid. It works well with most toppers and automatically adjusts for variances in eliquid flow / wicking or airflow.

I've built a Ni200 coil with rayon for one of my old Vision Vivi-Nova tanks, works perfectly. Dry hits are impossible, top coil gives a nice warm vape without high temperature at the coil, and the eliquid never burns. The top complaints with the Vivi are totally controlled.

 

[tj99959]

Already, a lot of what we see on the market is completely unnecessary, and does little - if anything - to improve the quality of a vape.

For example, I've been using TC sense 2011 --- it's called 'KEEP THE DAMN COIL WET'.
So in reality, TC is as simple as not letting your cigarette lighter run out of lighter fluid.

 

[Boden]

Kinda tough to please everyone when you have two diametrically opposed goals. Some want to atomize high volumes of VG, this takes high current high airflow. Some want efficient nic delivery so they need high nic liquid high ohm coils and low VG content since VG has higher surface tension than PG.

You can't have high current coils and effiency.

Although that's a bit like someone running a big block Hemmi and complaining about gas mileage.

The most efficient resistor for turning the voltage range we can safely use into heat is around 2ohms.

We tried ultrasonic atomization years ago. It's a energy hog.

 

[Stosh]

Already, a lot of what we see on the market is completely unnecessary, and does little - if anything - to improve the quality of a vape.

For example, I've been using TC sense 2011 --- it's called 'KEEP THE DAMN COIL WET'.
So in reality, TC is as simple as not letting your cigarette lighter run out of lighter fluid.

TC doesn't improve the quality of a vape vs. a well juiced coil with proper airflow on a VV or VW mod. What is does make possible is a consistent vape if the juice flow varies on your topper or if you adjust the airflow on your topper from a MTL tootle puff to full open lung hit airy puff. TC keeps the vape similar while allowing you to vary how you wick or adjust the air on your topper.

The same way VW made it easier than VV to adjust your vape, TC is just a bit of a more exact adjustment, doesn't change your sweet spot....

 

[mcclintock]

One of the things with coils is our current crudeness may be just the thing that makes flavor. A lot of things done to improve them are weird. I'm more interested in the flavor tech than any other.

I'm totally content with what I use now ... for my vape needs, I need no new tech or vape advancement to keep me off smokes.

I wouldn't go that far, but I hear ya. Some of trying new (to me) things is because people say they're better. They're often simultaneously right and yet not. What bothers me more is what works well enough for me doesn't work so well for others. Maybe it's because I started out with something even older and more basic, my basics now are still a step up.

 

[suprtrkr]

Started off slow, but this has turned into an interesting thread indeed.

 

[puffon]

My thoughts only..........
Companies may be holding back on expensive R&D, retooling, machining and facility expansion, until they know what the FDA has in store for them/us..........

 

[sofarsogood]

Vaping is a little like cooking. If you spend more time and money on the details, assuming you know what you're doing, the food is likely to turn out better. I like a good vape. I'm working harder to get it than I predicted but I won't do the work or spend the money for a gormet vape. But reliable TC for under $50 is a no brainer to me. The best taste experiences I've had are probably on variable watts devices (by a small margin) but the best overall experience is coming from TC. I think I would have gone to zero cigs sooner than six weeks of dual use if I'd started on temp control.

But I am worried about government interference so I'd like to have some mech mods and be able to live with that. I figure $100 worth of 10% nic (2 liters) would last me about 7 years if it will keep that long.

 

[tj99959]

Vaping as it is now has already completely replaced smoking for me.

What else is it suppose to do ......... change my diapers when I get old?










oh-wait ..... I'm already old

 

[zoiDman]

Vaping as it is now has already completely replaced smoking for me.

What else is it suppose to do ......... change my diapers when I get old?

This is the Inherent Downside to e-Cigarettes vs. Smoking.

It gives the User a Better Chance of Getting Old. Hence the Risk of having to wear Depends because One is Old.

 

[edyle]

You don't see new "reliable" stuff because there is no money to be made.
Look at it this way, when you smoked, you bought a cigarette and used it once. Then you bought another cigarette (or 20) By comparison, the carto tank I'm using this morning is over 4 years old. Damn hard for a company to stay in business if they never get to sell me a new one.

There has been a new version of clearo tank almost every week for the past 3 years. The industry, like the cigarette companies in the past, thrives by selling new stuff. Why would they want to sell a one dollar carto that lasts a month instead of a 3-5 dollar atomizer head that lasts a week, or a 20 dollar carto tank that lasts forever instead of a 50 dollar clearo tank that they will stop producing & replace with a new version in a month.

Bottom line:
The vaping industry is going out of it's way to make vaping as expensive as possible.
They want our money!

^^^^^^^ HEAR HEAR^^^^^^^^

After 2 years experience my preference is to use telescopic mechs with kick modules.
The industry has gone from 15 watt regulated, to 30 watt, to 50 watt, to 100 watts, and now there are 150 watt, and 200 watt temperature controlled regulated mods...... BUT:
I can't buy a 30 watt kick module!

When temperature control gets refined to the point of using resistance wire, I'd be happy with a 15 or 20 watt temperature controlled kick.

 

[Mazinny]

Vaping as it is now has already completely replaced smoking for me.

What else is it suppose to do ......... change my diapers when I get old

oh-wait ..... I'm already old

You and I are in the minority though. I don't have any hard data, but anecdotal evidence suggests that the majority of smokers who try vaping, do not stop smoking. More innovative products that combine the power, performance and efficiency of higher end devices with the reliability, consistency, ease of use and leak free attributes of cig-a-likes are needed to make more smokers convert. From what i heard in an interviews with PBusardo, Njoy has started work on such a system.

A related issue is that most B&M's are not putting enough effort in attracting smokers. They are content in capturing the business of existing vapers. You should see the look on the face of some of these young vapesters working at a couple of my local vapeshops, when i ask for a 12 mg juice...
lol

 

[edyle]

Totally leak-proof would be nice but I fear it's a logical impossibility. To produce vapor at the drip tip for us to enjoy, the eliquid has to be vaporized and air passed over the heating element.

This requires an opening for air that is both open to the outside and also open to the coil / eliquid reservoir. If the eliquid has any path to the outside, it's a path that will allow it to leak (some more than others).

TC is the next big thing, and as it becomes more stable would seem to be poised to take over the APV market. When working correctly it eliminates dry hits and burning eliquid. It works well with most toppers and automatically adjusts for variances in eliquid flow / wicking or airflow.

I've built a Ni200 coil with rayon for one of my old Vision Vivi-Nova tanks, works perfectly. Dry hits are impossible, top coil gives a nice warm vape without high temperature at the coil, and the eliquid never burns. The top complaints with the Vivi are totally controlled.

Leak resistance has been done on a few tanks but has not taken off.
It is achieved by top-intake-airflow, where the air is taken in, then channelled downward first before going horizontally towards the coil.
When liquid leaks into the airflow channel, it routinely gets sucked back towards the coil when you take a toot.
The joyetech ego-cc attempted to do that. On the rda side there are a few (about 5 I believe) using the idea- I have a manta that does that.

 

[RebornLincoln06]

Actually, I think Temp Control *is* the next big thing. When was the last time you tried it? I have a Snow Wolf and it's flawless. It stays true to temp, and doesn't jump out of mode. Ever. I don't have one, but I read the same thing for the EVIC VT. I am further expecting good things from the coming Sigeleis as they are supposed to use the same chip as in my Snow Wolf. As for batteries... that's asking a lot, although it would be wonderful to have. I saw a 3S LiPo pack on eBay the other day, 11.1v, 7500 mAh in a 1 x 1 x 5 package. But LiPos are not all that safe a chemistry without some circuitry on the board. Much of what you want is already available, but it gets doggone expensive. That LiPo pack I mentioned retailed for $63.00. Another interesting consideration for batteries is the trade-off for storage capacity is generally current capacity. We will have done no good getting a 10,000 mAh battery if it will only hold 3 amps.

Just got the EVIC VT and it is fantastic. Most flavor i've gotten out of ANY tank and box mod combo I've tried, and i've tried pretty much all of them.

In regards to the original thread post, I think they're focusing on the lifestyle vapers because that seems to be where the money is at (although I could be WAY wrong on that estimate.) You have young people who are literally trying to buy up every single mod on the market. I know because one of my co-workers does this very thing. I'm guessing companies are exploiting the thought that bigger = automatically better, which it isn't automatically. With technology now, there's no way someone can't make a tank better than the Nautilus. I do think the ego one mini is pretty good in terms of small but still powerful and long lasting battery.

 

[coolerat]

Vaping as it is now has already completely replaced smoking for me.

What else is it suppose to do ......... change my diapers when I get old?










oh-wait ..... I'm already old

But thats a self center way of looking at things.

For myself and everyone I know who beat smoking these "new fangled gadgets" are what it took for a win.

For myself anything not fairly recent I consider useless to stop smoking. Lord, and my wife, knows I wasted enough money on that crap trying.

If they had stopped where you say its enough I'd still be smoking.

I want them to keep pressing on and invent stuff that will get those who come after me off.

All the old stuff is still out there. A five minute walk and a few inchs of dust removal would yield me all the carto tanks and genisis stuff I could ever want.

 

[crxess]

Maybe none of you are looking in the right places.

Advancements for the new vapors and main stream vapors is continually change. It may not jump out at you like the Sub ohm Hysteria, but it is happening.

Joyetech is a leader in mainstream R&D and marketing. Their products are specifically designed to minimize confusion or issues for the new user.

Clearomizers have gone, in a short time, from Top wick Total garbage, to decent top wick, Bottom wick, BDC, Vertical bottom coil, Vertical Dual Bottom coil.
Air flow improvements have been made along the way.

Even a simple Carto can become a Carto tank setup that often delivers a vape as good as a $100. Kayfun with more vapor and all the flavor.

The list of improvements grows every week in the industry, but most of it is over shadowed by the Cash Cow Market being invaded by dozens of new startups attempting to grab their piece of the pie.

Remember this is a Consumer driven industry and it is Driven directly by those of us with the most open wallets.

 

[WattWick]

No question vaping has advanced on a technological level. Or, one could say, we have adopted a lot of general small electronics. You can have your draw length read out on a display. You can change the desired output power both up and down (sometimes just up with a round-robin thingy) in a myriad of ways. I bet you could make one sing you Ave Maria while you vape, too. Just a matter of sticking some electronics in there. Still: button pushed = vapor produced. With or without castrates singing.

There are several new ways of preventing oneself from doing bad things to batteries. And several new ways of doing bad things to batteries. There are ways of getting more power out of a battery, and there are ways of getting less power out of a battery. There are new ways of not firing up a dry coil - which is great.

Still - if you have a fully working setup that is tuned to your liking and just works - there really isn't a whole lot more to be had.

Surely we will see a new generation of atties where the new nit to pick at is conductivity/precision for temperature control. Maybe the need for better connections will finally bring the demise of the archaic 510 connector?

 

[Stosh]

Leak resistance has been done on a few tanks but has not taken off.
It is achieved by top-intake-airflow, where the air is taken in, then channelled downward first before going horizontally towards the coil.
When liquid leaks into the airflow channel, it routinely gets sucked back towards the coil when you take a toot.
The joyetech ego-cc attempted to do that. On the rda side there are a few (about 5 I believe) using the idea- I have a manta that does that.

That works well when the topper is in use, in your pocket or lying on a table, they can still seep out. Compared to a blue foam cart on a 510 atty they are "leak-proof", and none too soon....

Better designs have made leaking much less of a problem, my point was so long as there is a path for the vapor to exit, no topper can be 100% leak-proof....

 

[DergBerg]

Okay, here is what I would REALLY like to see happen soon.

Innovation in pass thru devices! I'm thinking a reasonably priced console that can support 2-4 devices, each pulling 10+ amps of power. The end game product that I would like to see (and honestly might start researching and trying to figure out from a developer standpoint) is a console that supports 4 wii-mote style mods. The unit would supply power via bluetooth (or something wireless) directly to each controller. So at this point, it would be plug and play! No wire expect for a power supply to support the console. Just screw on any atty you would like and chuck away from across the room, not worrying about any batteries! Now.... whether or not a 20 amp continuous current is possible to deliver from console (wireless or otherwise) is a dilemma I would like to start researching. My first DIY project will likely be some sort of OKR pass thru, similar to the ones that have been sold before at prices I just can't afford lol.

Now, does anyone know anything more about the possibilities of delivering voltage over thin air???

 

[suprtrkr]

Okay, here is what I would REALLY like to see happen soon.

Innovation in pass thru devices! I'm thinking a reasonably priced console that can support 2-4 devices, each pulling 10+ amps of power. The end game product that I would like to see (and honestly might start researching and trying to figure out from a developer standpoint) is a console that supports 4 wii-mote style mods. The unit would supply power via bluetooth (or something wireless) directly to each controller. So at this point, it would be plug and play! No wire expect for a power supply to support the console. Just screw on any atty you would like and chuck away from across the room, not worrying about any batteries! Now.... whether or not a 20 amp continuous current is possible to deliver from console (wireless or otherwise) is a dilemma I would like to start researching. My first DIY project will likely be some sort of OKR pass thru, similar to the ones that have been sold before at prices I just can't afford lol.

Now, does anyone know anything more about the possibilities of delivering voltage over thin air???

It can be done, but outside of magnetic resonance range the transmission losses are fearsome. I don't have any figures handy, but even 10% efficiency would surprise me at the distance of "across the room." They make a "wireless" phone charger; you put a special back on your iPhone and lay it on the charging mat and it feeds power using a magnetic field to the special back and thence the battery. But it has to be laying on the mat-- a/k/a/ very close range-- to make it go. In a real sense, even radio transmits power as well as intelligence. But the power content is *tiny.* That's why they invented "amplifiers." Back to the drawing board on that one, I fear, unless you know more about antenna tech and the Square Law of Radiated Power than I do. I have had an idea for a "car mod" that would be-- sort of-- wireless. If you could get a very small (physical size and storage capacity) battery that nonetheless offered substantial current capacity, you could build a "cradle" for it that would fit in the cup holder. The battery would be good for 2 or 3 toots, and then you put it back in the cradle to charge again while you're waiting to take you next vape. I have done no research on it, though. I have no idea if such batteries are available. Even something the size of the 18350 is limited to 14 amps (Tensai) or 12 amps (AW), and most of them are 6 amps. Still, if we assume we had a 4 volt, 14 amp battery available, a 50% safety margin would let you draw 7 amps putting your resistance in the .6 Ohm range at 28 watts in a mech. A regulated mod might do better, but I can't build one. That's moderately respectable, if not in steamthrower territory.