Affordable Genesis Hybrid the Model T

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This is the Model T.
The Model T is a Genesis style device incorporating a few features I've wanted to add to a Gennie and still make it affordable. It is my goal to make the Model T, along with the mentality that went along with it's predecessor to be in every home and become the EGO of the Genesis world. Not so expensive that you can't buy one, but built with quality materials and they will almost never be out of stock (I hope). You could call it a hybrid, I call it perfection. This is just the start of this. I have submitted this to my machinist and he will get back to me on prices, but it's my plan to make this available for $100-$175! It has long been my belief that as a member of a community (vaping community) that we are to give to help and that's what this is. An affordable device for the masses. Features of the Model T.


*Solid aluminum construction for superior electrical conductivity. There will be no brass, no stainless, nothing but aluminum. The places that need it will be anodized, the places that don't, will be bare. As an anodizer, I understand the importance of electrical conductivity.


*NO THREADS. I hate having to thread a tailcap on, so I've incorporated the features of a BNC connector into the tailcap and the atty cover to quick connect with only 1 quarter of a turn. This will also perfectly line up the unique geometry of this mod.


*Tactile alignment of wick hole for no look vaping. Phil Busardo has recommended that we incorporate something (I forget the exact term he uses) to make it so that you don't have to look at the mod in order to line the wick on the bottom. This will have 1 singular dimple in the side for your thumb which will line up perfectly with the wick hole so all you have to do is feel and vape!


*Slotted center post for multiple coil entry methods. The slot allows for 3 different way for you to insert your coil into the center post. 1. in between head and washer like traditional center posts. 2. through the hole below the screw when unscrewed a little bit and 3. remove the screw completely and drop the coil down into the slot and then rescrew it back down on top. This is particularly handy with pre-made wick/coil setups as you don't need to bend the coil in order to get in in the center post.


*Adjustable height center post. This allows you to drop the center post entry points down for a 2/3 coil or up for a 4/5 so that your spacing in between the coils can be consistent no matter what you use. Just thread it down a little tighten up the nut below it and you've adjusted the center post to be shorter.


18mm battery design. Use it with your 18650, 18500 with kick. I'm toying with the idea of incorporating a shorter tube as part of teh design for 18350's as well, but it's my belief that an 18350 doesn't provide enough "ooomph" for a gennie.


The designs are already submitted and you will see a few changes to the design like a window in the atty cover so you can see the tank, finger notches in the tailcap and other really small things, but not much as I've already committed on seeing these made. I DO have experience manufacturing things and have been able to quickly resolve any issues that may arise so these are going to be done SOON!


EXPRESS YOUR INTEREST BELOW. I encourage questions and feedback.


I do have a drip tip in mind for this, just havn't designed it yet.


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KEN! I am loving what you've designed here, and I just signed up for one. Very, very interesting. I really like what I'm seeing. I do have a few questions though.

any chance you could include another wick hole for u-wick capability? I'm a little confused on your description where you say 3 different methods for inserting coil. You mean if you wanted to use silica?
will it use a spring or magnets and how will you work against battery rattle for varying battery lengths.
what will the tank be made of? fused quartz? pyrex?

And most importantly, can you please put venom on mine because I want whatever color will allow that! black is what I put on my form I submitted

Seriously, nice work and I look forward to learning more about the Model T
 

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for what he meant with inserting the coil....there are different ways to connect the positive wire. there is a slot in the design you can screw the screw down onto the wire or you can wrap it around the head like a traditional genny

o and about the 18350 tube if you make it, i support it.....having something smaller while out and about is nice to have. 18350's are just bad if you are doing sub ohm coils which is stupid to begin with
 

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This is pretty interesting. I like the design, but would only be interested if an 18350 mode were available. I like smaller mods and have no issues with 18350's for use with a genny setup. Goblin posed some good questions above, but here are the things that come to mind:

- The BNC style connection for the tailcap is a great idea, however a real BNC connector on coax cable isn't always locked down tight as you have to push it in to turn it loose. It is a reliable connection both for conductivity and security, I would just want to ensure the tail cap would be just as tight as a traditional threaded design.

- Not sure if I'm keen on the triangular shape, but it is a fresh look for a hybrid.

- I like what you've incorporated into the atty deck, and I would like to see a 2nd wick hole & negative connection for the U wick and dual coil fans. A custom made plug for the 2nd wick hole would be a nice addition if this were to be incorporated.

- The window in the juice tank is a must have feature for me.

I am going to sign my name on the interest list pending pictures of an actual prototype or finished product. Nice work Ken, I look forward to seeing this come to fruition!
 

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for what he meant with inserting the coil....there are different ways to connect the positive wire. there is a slot in the design you can screw the screw down onto the wire or you can wrap it around the head like a traditional genny

o and about the 18350 tube if you make it, i support it.....having something smaller while out and about is nice to have. 18350's are just bad if you are doing sub ohm coils which is stupid to begin with


ahh that makes sense thank you. so you can stick the wire through and screw down, wrap around the post and screw down, and it also appears there's a spring loaded ala the orion or AC9. like these features. and yes, i agree with you and aj the 18350 would be a plus i like having an option
 

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KEN! I am loving what you've designed here, and I just signed up for one. Very, very interesting. I really like what I'm seeing. I do have a few questions though.

any chance you could include another wick hole for u-wick capability? I'm a little confused on your description where you say 3 different methods for inserting coil. You mean if you wanted to use silica?
will it use a spring or magnets and how will you work against battery rattle for varying battery lengths.
what will the tank be made of? fused quartz? pyrex?

And most importantly, can you please put venom on mine because I want whatever color will allow that! black is what I put on my form I submitted

Seriously, nice work and I look forward to learning more about the Model T


OK first off the post isn't really designed for anything but a single wick. Adding a u-wick means adding an additional hole for the other wire as well as the extra side of the wick to fit into the tank. When I mean three differnt insertion methods I refer to how you connect the wire to the center post. Not the wick; the coil. you can wrap it around the top, stick it through the center, or drop it into the notch in the center once the nut has been taken off. That clear it up? :)

The tank will probably be pyrex, I'm still looking for availability. I don't want the tank to slow things down. Fused quartz is not as accessible I think.. but I'll know for sure once I do the research.

The battery sizes will be accommodated by an insert that will take up the additional space. Yes I know that it will still be big, but we're looking at affordable here not revolutionary. Adding additional tubes that interlock with the short tube like a juggernaught, was the original idea, but that would increase costs x2 and therefore increase retail price. That's bad in my book.

Yes we can do Venom, it's one of the reasons I asked for custom anodizing as well on the sheet. that would qualify. :)


OK, I'm seeing a lot of folks inquiring about 18350, if I get the tubes setup like the jugg, I'll have to probably increase cost by 10-20% to offset the additional machining costs.
 
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What about a choice of either 18350 OR 18650, just have two different sized tubes machined? Charge one price for either, or a higher price for both...

Interesting concept I'll have to give that some thought. I certainly am not apposed to changing the design a little bit here and there to accommodate the wants/desires of the customers.. but it has to be something that is pretty common, I'm not going to change the thing for just one person.. I'm sure you understand. :) So if folks really want a u-wick, that's something I'll put in.
 

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Oh and AJ. The connection for the tailcap and top will be tight. You needn't worry about it slipping off. :) Don't they incorporate something similar in quick assembly rifles? I've seen them in movies where the assassin pops his gun together and the barrel just snaps into place with a quarter turn.
 

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it was asked for elsewhere to see examples of the two anodizing styles mentioned in custom anodizing so here's pics.
Sure. Pics of marble:
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Pics of fades:
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blue to green marble in the center
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Understand of course that this is NOT the only options for custom anodizing. I do have a huge gallery of pictures I've taken of custom anodized pieces I've done over the years in my other thread.. please take a look.
 

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Interesting concept I'll have to give that some thought. I certainly am not apposed to changing the design a little bit here and there to accommodate the wants/desires of the customers.. but it has to be something that is pretty common, I'm not going to change the thing for just one person.. I'm sure you understand. :) So if folks really want a u-wick, that's something I'll put in.

The dual wick holes is not a deal breaker for me, but it adds versatility. The 18350 mode is. I only use 18650's if I'm going to be away from a charging source for more than 24 hours.

Oh and AJ. The connection for the tailcap and top will be tight. You needn't worry about it slipping off. :) Don't they incorporate something similar in quick assembly rifles? I've seen them in movies where the assassin pops his gun together and the barrel just snaps into place with a quarter turn.

I assumed you had it under control, just throwing my thoughts at you. And I wasn't worried about it slipping off or coming loose. A BNC connector can be completely secure while still having some play. It's the nature of the connector.

I've also seen 37 bullets come out of a semi-auto handgun with a 10 round mag without a reload in movies. Doesn't mean it's real. Although I have seen what you speak of, but I know very little about high end arms.
 
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i think ajs idea of having 2 tubes (id buy both) vs interlocking like jugg or orion is a good one to keep machining costs down.

as for the u wick id like it but again not a necessity

Ahh but see, the atty does not come off the tube!! it's all part of the tube. It decreases connections and increases conductivity. :)
 

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oh that makes sense conductivity takes precedence. okay interlocking it is! im just one small vote though im buying even if its just 18650. i want a venom:)


Hahah, with the particularly flat geometry, it gives us more room to put venom on. It's not completely rounded so there's more real estate.
 
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