After a half hour of discussing ecigs, a smoker converts... to a Blu >.<

[Everclear]

Yes and no. The media is up in arms over data collected from exposure to 10% nicotine level ejuice. A teaspoon of that can cause trouble with an adult and care should be taken that it does not get on the skin. However, in most ejuices available for retail, the highest you'll find is 3.6%. It's a pretty big difference....

I see, that makes more sense. Thanks for the info!

 

[AndriaD]

Someday someone will come up with a cig-alike that will last through 3+ mls of juice and provide the vapor of a genesis atty.
Until than we're stuck with large battery holders and large tanks to put on them.I've been waiting 4 yrs. and not much has changed,but I keep wishing.

I was a steadfastly "must be cigalike" newbie, but now I find that I don't actually mind the strange, large form factor; there is no way on earth that anyone could see me using it and think I'm smoking a cigarette. Considering how many ANTZ there are who love to mind everyone's biz but their own, I consider that a real plus.

Andria

 

[leerm8680]

Everyone is different, and will commit to vaping at different levels of financial investment and time dedication.

This is an excellent point.

 

[FireDragon1138]

Come to think of it, one of the big motivations for me moving away from the cigalikes was I couldn't get a low enough nicotine strength!
If I'd had lower strengths available I'd have probably stuck with them for a few months.

I was also frustrated that Blu was only available at gas stations and drug stores in the 16mg strength. That was unpleasant for me to vape long term. I found Mistic and Fin to be better supported.

 

[Pictor]

Come to think of it, one of the big motivations for me moving away from the cigalikes was I couldn't get a low enough nicotine strength!
If I'd had lower strengths available I'd have probably stuck with them for a few months.

Perhaps the availability is more recent, but I was using GreenSmoke and V2 mostly and could get 5 strengths including 0.6 and 0
Whatever, they were a good way to start.

 

[MsAgro]

Blus saved me from smoking and started me down my vape journey. They aren't exactly the tastiest things on the planet, but it did the job. I enjoy my current MVP/Protank 2 setup, but even at 70+ days cig free I still occasionally find myself missing the cigarette form factor.

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[choochoogranny]

There is a Nicorette Quickmist out there to help you curb nicotine cravings made by a lg drug co. and approved by the FDA. You spray it into your mouth no more than twice an hr for over 16 hrs. 164 sprays in the sprayer. EACH SPRAY CONTAINS 1 MG OF NICOTINE!!!!!

Since I never tried to quit smoking, I'm not familiar with these quit smoking products; and was surprised to see the above. This spray contains all the ingredients of ejuice PLUS 10 more. Seems to me this product being a much stronger nicotine liquid AND the liquid is sprayed into the mouth would be more dangerous than our juice which is converted into vapor before interring the mouth.

It's out there with the FDA's blessing. Does anyone know about this product?

 

[Pictor]

Yes, we have it here. The site I just looked at had it at £45.58 for a twin pack with a stated rec. price of £59.98. I've never tried it as I've never had any success in even cutting down with such products. This could be better though ...who knows unless tried - ingredients listed as:

Active Ingredient: Nicotine.

Other ingredients are: propylene glycol, anhydrous ethanol, trometamol, poloxamer 407, glycerol, sodium hydrogen carbonate, levomenthol, mint flavour, cooling flavour, sucralose, acesulfame potassium, hydrochloric acid, purified water. Nicorette QuickMist contains small amounts of ethanol (alcohol), less than 100 mg per spray.

 

[retired1]

Yes and no. The media is up in arms over data collected from exposure to 10% nicotine level ejuice. A teaspoon of that can cause trouble with an adult and care should be taken that it does not get on the skin. However, in most ejuices available for retail, the highest you'll find is 3.6%. It's a pretty big difference....

No, no, no, no! Show me one, just one, verified case. Not hearsay. Not a vague news report. Show us one verified case where someone has been seriously harmed through ingestion of ejuice.

 

[TheColdHandedVG]

No it's not. It's diluted to the mg/ml that you choose (ie 24mg, 18mg, etc.). But I have had a tank break on me in the car & all the eliquid from that tank poured all over my hand & I had no where to clean it off as I was actually on a highway in traffic. I did get nic sick from that so I can testify that it can & does happen. It just doesn't happen all the time & under normal circumstances.

When he says "100 percent freebase nicotine" he is not stating that the juice contains 100 percent nicotine, he is talking about the actual properties of the nicotine itself. He is not commenting on the actual total amount of nicotine in the liquid most people vape. Look into what "freebase" means and you will understand.

 

[FireDragon1138]

When he says "100 percent freebase nicotine" he is not stating that the juice contains 100 percent nicotine, he is talking about the actual properties of the nicotine itself. He is not commenting on the actual total amount of nicotine in the liquid most people vape. Look into what "freebase" means and you will understand.

Right... freebase means the nicotine isn't bound to salts. The nicotine in tobacco is quite often, mostly bound up to salts in the tobacco and not readily bioavailable- it won't readily cross over skin or other membranes. With e-liquid, every bit of the nicotine is unbound and easily absorbed.

 

[ncolwell]

I just wanted to say to the OP that I also started with Blu. I was using the disposables though, and I was *terrified* to try refilling anything on my own.

Dumb.

Quitting smoking was really hard for me, and it took several attempts before I made it through a whole day just using the Blu disposable. I started using them a lot, and found that I was buying them about every other day. At that point, I knew I didn't need to smoke analogs, but I couldn't see throwing my money away on the disposables, either. I decided to visit the local vape shop and came out with an eGo T and some caramel mocha juice.

I haven't looked back.

I think many of us start with Blu, as others have also said they did. I would bet that your friend is doing a lot of reading on her own about what's out there, and it won't be long before she asks you some more questions. You done good.

 

[DC2]

Right... freebase means the nicotine isn't bound to salts. The nicotine in tobacco is quite often, mostly bound up to salts in the tobacco and not readily bioavailable- it won't readily cross over skin or other membranes. With e-liquid, every bit of the nicotine is unbound and easily absorbed.

Does this mean I was incorrect and need to stand corrected?
Because I'm okay with that.

It seems you are saying that the ammonia "helps unbind the salts" in regular tobacco.
And based on the link I provided, I could see what you mean.

Maybe we need to start a thread about what "freebase nicotine" means.
Because if I had it wrong, I'm sure there are many others.

 

[DC2]

On the other hand, freebase nicotine has always referred to the rapid uptake, or spike of nicotine from smoking.
We don't get that from vaping based on every study I've read.

So what's up with all this then?

 

[Anubuk]

I started with cigalikes cause I was looking for something that felt like a cigarette. Once I was aware that Blu used American made juice(and there batteries were smaller) I switched to blu. This was important in the beginning because I do not think it would have been as easy to quit smoking and start vaping while using what I felt at the time was a bulky annoyance where you have to push a button to get a hit. At first I thought I would never use an ego or a tank for that matter. I wanted and needed an experience closer to cigarettes.

My blu carts sucked. I think they sat around a long time before purchase. The first few hits were good then they would start tasting crappy. Once I started the research into filling my own, I bought some boge cartos and was happier. I opened a blu carto up and took it apart. The juice was thick and gunked up in spots. No wonder they were burning. The juice wasn't fluid throughout the polyfill.

After blu (90mah) I tried out my first manual, still a cigalike but longer with 380 mah. I was in love. Way better hits, more vapor and taste. I wasn't minding the bigger size. I started using kanger T4 clearos, so much easier to refill. But I knew I had to go bigger to get better results. I had to go Ego.

I finally got an ego and found that the size did not bother me at all. Nor did the manual button. I started understanding why people liked manual. I bought a few batteries, a vv passthrough (3.3-4.2v), bought my first mini protank. I now prefer the larger battery, I hold it completely different than a cigarette. I just recently bought a 1300 rainbow spinner ego and I love it. I love the different drip tips. I just started rebuilding with a Squid RDA. I also rebuild my protank coils. I am easing into dual coils, just ordered the mini protank 3 and am ordering a dual coil RDA later this week. In a few months I will probably get my first mod.

Point being not everyone can jump right into an ego. It is big and heavy (at least it is for a cigarette smoker), has a button for hits, and is held nothing like a cigarette is held, it doesn't feel natural at first. I know you know all this but think about it. Not everyone can make such a drastic switch. it was the similarity to cigarettes that helped me switch via the blu. For some people tricking the mind to think it is still a cigarette helps for a seamless transition. It goes back to that everyone is different. I have met some people that won't even try anything but cigalikes.

Don't be disappointed if they start with blus. Be happy they started vaping and help ease them along to better things.

 

[poconojo]

The only problem with starting with Blue is that they are owned by big tobacco.

 

[FireDragon1138]

On the other hand, freebase nicotine has always referred to the rapid uptake, or spike of nicotine from smoking.
We don't get that from vaping based on every study I've read.

So what's up with all this then?

That has more to do with the size of the particulate (e-liquid can't go deep into the lungs, so absorbtion is more in the upper airways, much like nicotine gum, lozenges, or chewing tobacco. the e-liquid sits in a thicker layer that is absorbed slowly) than whether the nicotine is freebased or not.

 

[treehead]

i would take her to the store and pick up some lor-ann oils, vg, cigarettes and maybe pg.

i'd stroll around her house and the bakery isle at the store and show her some products that she uses on a common basis that include those items.

then i'd convince her to let me moisturize her with her new moisturizers and add a little scent with the food grade flavorings she didn't know she likely eats all the time via store bought and bakery products.

last but not least, i'd rub her cigarettes into the whole ordeal on her hands and then say something to the effect of "now we see how long it takes for you to OD and die" with a smile.

then while she washes it all off, i'd rub my e-juice all over my hands while letting her know that i'm doing the same thing i just did to her without a few thousand dangerous and/or carcinogenic chemicals that were in her cigarette. once sufficiently rubbed in, i'd raise my hands to her nose and ask her how it smells.

i like to drive the point home. people i know, know this and most trust me with their lives. because of that and my personality, it would likely work to drive the point home. you'll have to find what works for you and her or just let it go until she asks for help.

good luck and congrats for the first break through.

XD I think there's some other carcinogens you need to stop smoking my friend just playing. I don't care what kind of personality you have, you could be james bond and that would still terrify any girl dude, I thought it was a joke until you tried justifying it. I DO hear what your saying though, it'd be just as easy to show her this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7B9A_D8bQ

~It has a nice "cigs vs e-cigs" report (where e-cigs OBVIOUSLY win), and perfectly summarizes the situation in HD with facts.

 

[treehead]

So a friend of the family who is a 2 pack a day smoker actually shrank away from me in fear when I pulled my nemmy out for a vape while she smoked. Yes, I was almost offended/shocked/hurt by her action Well after talking with her for a half hour or so, she seem intrigued by the whole thing.. I told her to research it herself and come to her own conclusion and to ignore what she has heard from mainstream media. Its been a week and I have just heard that she spent almost 50 bucks and got a Blu starter kit, UGH >.<

So cig-a-like it is for that lady...

I respect what your doing brother, in respect to their addiction, I think we all know cig smokes can be inherently STUBBORN when it comes to quitting.

~ However, should I say it?..."Blu-Cigs are SEXY!" (I've now won 2 "cloud competitions", so I'm "far past" cig-alikes, however there's nothing wrong with them, some people have different priorities, and I was definitely one of them.

-Not as in erotic, although a top-of-the-line mechanical mod + a well designed RDA will get me hot and bothered . But imagine: Scarlett Johansson (or Channing Tatum ladies) or whoever you find hot walks up next to you at a bar and sits two stools down from you, you then get into a conversation and start enjoying it, they scooch down another seat to sit next to you and talk. And a few minutes later they pull out a dreadnaught mod with a patina'd copper cap (many including myself would find that pretty hot), but people new to the vape world would most likely gasp and think your pulling out an 80's light-saber replica .

-Now flip the situation and they pull out a Blu-cig, it's a sleek black cig-a-like that doesn't look odd going in your mouth, and would almost be invisible (which is what many people want to be unfortunately) besides the fact that that cool little blue light dims on and off while you vape it. It's much more acceptable to those people that don't really have a clue what vaping is, other than seeing that shania twain commercial.

~I personally did alot of research, and at first, thought that a mech mod with a dripper looked completely goofy (boy has my mind opened up), because I basically didn't know what they were capable of. Maybe you should build a dual sub-ohm coil and blow a competition cloud or two in front of her to show her what she's missing.

My vaping experience: Bought blu's, pretty happy but still smoked, they delivered nicotine fairly well actually (at max strength), was kind of unsatisfied with the lack of vapor, REALLY unsatisfied with the CONSTANTLY changing batteries, I miss vaping them in bed because it's the only device you can tip upside down and hold in your mouth while reading. Gradually researched ways to improve them (and found none), however while vaping and researching I came across ECF and my mind was blown. After an hour or two of knowing what's out there, my heart was pumping at the thought of going to the store and getting a carto-tank. So I did!

-Got an Aspire ET-S (AMAZING FIRST TANK) no leaking whatsoever (only using high VG than 50/50, haven't tried below), still sexy looking on a 1300 spinner battery, vapor that blew my mind compared to the E-cigs, FLAVOR that blew my mind compared to blu-cigs, couldn't be easier to fill and replace atomizer. (TELL HER TO GET THIS ONE AND DON'T TURN ABOVE 3.5 VOLTS, it comes in different colors, it's idiot proof (which I needed), and DOES NOT LEAK, if you buy her a filling syringe with it, I'm 100% positive she'll have an amazing experience with it if she's an iota similar to me. I've tried alot of tanks (kangers, evods etc. etc.) in the past, and this one kicks all of their butts along with the aspire nautilus, however the ET-S does just as good a job as the nautilus oddly enough, just doesn't hold 5ml's.

~Blu-cig's are an excellent way to "dip your toe in the water" because they work great for their size, very comparable to smoking, however it leaves you wanting more vapor, and most end up researching how to improve that, or at least getting longer charge life from their "device".

~I remember when I first started I almost prioritized looks over function, and thought "since blu is so succesful they must be the best", and I'm not exactly mad I bought them, I donated them to a friend who's now vaping and was smoking for a decade, there's something about them .

They are sexy to "noobs".

 

[edyle]

Yes, we have it here. The site I just looked at had it at £45.58 for a twin pack with a stated rec. price of £59.98. I've never tried it as I've never had any success in even cutting down with such products. This could be better though ...who knows unless tried - ingredients listed as:

Active Ingredient: Nicotine.

Other ingredients are: propylene glycol, anhydrous ethanol, trometamol, poloxamer 407, glycerol, sodium hydrogen carbonate, levomenthol, mint flavour, cooling flavour, sucralose, acesulfame potassium, hydrochloric acid, purified water. Nicorette QuickMist contains small amounts of ethanol (alcohol), less than 100 mg per spray.

Fascinating: it contains PG, VG, nicotine and flavoring! One might say it's made from eliquid!