Liquid In Lungs?

[Bob Chill]

PG/VG don't built up in the lungs or body. Both get readily absorbed and easily removed. Those who are sensitive to PG experience mild irritation but not the chemical is not cytotoxic. You can pour it into your eye.

As said earlier, flavors are the wildcard. I can give those up and still be happy if I need to. Unflavored still satisfies my needs. I vape a tank of unflavored at least once a month just for fun.

 

[DaveP]

As Dr Farsalinos has pointed out, you can't get lipoid pneumonia from vaping by definition since it is defined as caused by oil in the lungs. There is no oil in eliquid. Glycerine is not an oil and neither is PG

There is an activity we don't talk about, which may be confused with vaping and which does use oils.

Water solubility may be the defining factor when it comes to inhalation safety.

Bob Chill wrote: As said earlier, flavors are the wildcard. I can give those up and still be happy if I need to. Unflavored still satisfies my needs. I vape a tank of unflavored at least once a month just for fun.

I tend to favor weaker flavors over strong or pungent flavors. It's probably why I don't usually like anything on the vapor bar at the local vape store. Most are just too highly flavored or they have a strong undertaste.

I vape mildly flavored juices. If I need more flavor, there's a few bottles of Lorann's on the counter that will fix it to my liking.

 

[rurwin]

I tend to favor weaker flavors over strong or pungent flavors. It's probably why I don't usually like anything on the vapor bar at the local vape store. Most are just too highly flavored or they have a strong undertaste.

I vape mildly flavored juices. If I need more flavor, there's a few bottles of Lorann's on the counter that will fix it to my liking.

Have you considered buying those strong liquids in a higher nicotine strength and diluting with VG/PG? It could halve your vaping costs and give you more flavours to try.

 

[Alien Traveler]

OK, here is a study for you.
In the 7 years that vaping has been prevelent:
35,000,000 people have died from smoking (that's 35 MILLION)
0 people have died from vaping* (that's ZERO)
How's that for a long term study?!?

Nobody has died from smoking in 7 years (after starting to smoke) either.
So, it is not a long term study. Moreover, 7 years ago vaping was much less intensive because of restrictions of older equipment which could not produce as much vapor as it can now. No, your argument is too weak.

The question isn't "is vaping safe", the question is "is vaping safer than smoking".

It is not a question. Vaping IS safer, MUCH SAFER.

But let me repeat: there is the third question, important question: what is safe limit of vaping? 5 ml per day or 500 ml?

 

[DaveP]

Have you considered buying those strong liquids in a higher nicotine strength and diluting with VG/PG? It could halve your vaping costs and give you more flavours to try.

I usually buy in 50ml bottles. I keep some Humco VG around to adjust flavor and nic, but mostly for when I have to use it dilute a stronger flavor or high nic juice (that I have left over after I drop in nic level.

It's usually not so much strong flavored juices but juices that have strange tastes that I find in vape stores. I can fix strong. It's hard to fix yuck, though.

 

[zoiDman]

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I tend to favor weaker flavors over strong or pungent flavors. It's probably why I don't usually like anything on the vapor bar at the local vape store. Most are just too highly flavored or they have a strong undertaste.

I vape mildly flavored juices. If I need more flavor, there's a few bottles of Lorann's on the counter that will fix it to my liking.

This has been Something that I have Mentioned about the Coming FDA Regulations that I don't think Many have Considered.

And that is One of the Things the FDA is going to do is Limit the Percentage of Flavorings/Sweeteners that can be sold in a Flavored e-Liquid.

 

[V8peQueen]

A lot of people are afraid of vaporizers and also don't want to quit smoking. There are 7000 chemicals in a cig. Hows that for asthma? Every point here has been spot on, either her doc is in idiot (as stated, why would he prefer smoking) or she is probably just making that up lol.

 

[Ozwald]

A lot of people are afraid of vaporizers and also don't want to quit smoking. There are 7000 chemicals in a cig. Hows that for asthma? Every point here has been spot on, either her doc is in idiot (as stated, why would he prefer smoking) or she is probably just making that up lol.

I think he's just trying to cover his because he's aware that he doesn't know enough about them & doesn't need to be inviting any lawsuits upon himself.

 

[zoiDman]

I think he's just trying to cover his because he's aware that he doesn't know enough about them & doesn't need to be inviting any lawsuits upon himself.

I believe that a Physician has a Responsibility to His/Her Patient to give them Medical Advice that is based on the Best Available Information.

Unfortunately, there are No Long Term Clinical Studies about the Effects of e-Liquids or e-Cigarettes. Let alone a Standard Definition to what is in an e-Liquid. Or what Temperatures / Frequencies an e-Cigarette are use.

I like the Approach of my MD. Her First Line Statement is that She will Not Approve or Condon ANYTHING that I inhale besides Air.

But, She is Very Happy that I have Quit Smoking. And is Somewhat Surprised at my Overall Health Increase since I Switched to e-Cigarettes. She has said that She can Not Endorse e-Cigarette use currently. But She also has Not be too Demanding that I stop using e-Cigarettes either.

 

[Ozwald]

I believe that a Physician has a Responsibility to His/Her Patient to give them Medical Advice that is based on the Best Available Information.

Unfortunately, there are No Long Term Clinical Studies about the Effects of e-Liquids or e-Cigarettes. Let alone a Standard Definition to what is in an e-Liquid. Or what Temperatures / Frequencies an e-Cigarette are use.

I like the Approach of my MD. Her First Line Statement is that She will Not Approve or Condon ANYTHING that I inhale besides Air.

But, She is Very Happy that I have Quit Smoking. And is Somewhat Surprised at my Overall Health Increase since I Switched to e-Cigarettes. She has said that She can Not Endorse e-Cigarette use currently. But She also has Not be too Demanding that I stop using e-Cigarettes either.

But not every doctor is up to speed on them either. Not saying they are going to know what an advanced vaper knows, but even knowing much beyond they exist.

 

[V8peQueen]

But not every doctor is up to speed on them either. Not saying they are going to know what an advanced vaper knows, but even knowing much beyond they exist.

Also, a lot of docs are conservative in general. Just the idea of a vaporizer might freak them out. They might not know which one to reccomend or how. But either way, a lot of docs are $ and conservative, so they read CONSERVATIVE media which paints vapers in a very bad light...

 

[zoiDman]

But not every doctor is up to speed on them either. Not saying they are going to know what an advanced vaper knows, but even knowing much beyond they exist.

This can be True Also.

And I would venture to say it is More the Norm than the Exception.

 

[Ozwald]

Also, a lot of docs are conservative in general. Just the idea of a vaporizer might freak them out. They might not know which one to reccomend or how. But either way, a lot of docs are $ and conservative, so they read CONSERVATIVE media which paints vapers in a very bad light...

Let's not even open that door.

 

[Harleybarbie]

A lot of Docs I work with love the idea of PV's. They all were so happy with me quitting with the use of one. I've even heard some Docs say it helps people with COPD quit as well.
I'm loving reading this thread!

 

[V8peQueen]

A lot of Docs I work with love the idea of PV's. They all were so happy with me quitting with the use of one. I've even heard some Docs say it helps people with COPD quit as well.
I'm loving reading this thread!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-would-like-if-everyone-used-vaporizers.html

You might all find this interesting and relovent (concerning docs and sickiness etc). This was powerful to m,e

 

[tj99959]

Meanwhile back at the ranch

 

[zoiDman]

Meanwhile back at the ranch

At the 25 Second mark, was that "Blue Foam" that I saw under that Atomizer Coil?

LOL

 

[tj99959]

At the 25 Second mark, was that "Blue Foam" that I saw under that Atomizer Coil?

LOL

ROFL .......... would you believe I had to go back and look

 

[AndriaD]

I have asthma too, and I vape pretty much constantly. I do have to be very wary of high-VG eliquids, they make me feel like I've got glue AND a hairball in my lungs, but otherwise I do ok. My own doctor, when I saw him in January, was very encouraging about trying e-cigs to try and finally quit my very light smoking habit, and wished me good luck.

And quite beside being able to breathe, and wake up without sounding like a water pipe, I've got my high notes back! I can scream right along with Robert Plant on anything!

Andria

 

[Rickajho]

Also, a lot of docs are conservative in general. Just the idea of a vaporizer might freak them out. They might not know which one to reccomend or how. But either way, a lot of docs are $ and conservative, so they read CONSERVATIVE media which paints vapers in a very bad light...

That bout of sweeping generalizations flys in the face of every conversation I have ever had with any health care professional and their attitude - medically or otherwise - about vaping in a three year period. Despite living in and around .... .... bean town even.