Aga-T2 Woes: Vapor but No Taste. HELP !

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Uh, just upgraded to rba and Sad :confused:

I've been a Carto guy since beginning. Boge F-16s and love it. Thought it was time to upgrade, so got my new Aga-T2... and then my woes begun!

Read all the tutorials. Deep read eHuman's blog. Spent days on the YT vids. Followed every step (I hope so)... But it's not working.



The coil looks good, fires perfectly, lights up evenly, no hotspots. The wicking is good, touched and found it always moist, no dry-burns. BUT I get 'only' vapor, tons of it, no taste! The pull is airy, so airy that I don't feel I am vaping at all, though have a mouthful alright. Nothing compared to what I get from my Carto-tank.

But I want it to work. I know RBA is the way to go. So much so that I've also ordered an IGO-L. Guys, pls see the pictures and Advice.
 

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I have this problem with Halo cartos sometimes. I live in the Midwest US and it seems to happen when the RH goes over 70%. It's as if the cartos full or empty will produce 'infinite' water vapor with very little to no taste. I put a post in the new members section and got a few suppositions but no concrete answers. And I think when these times occur I do so much diagnostic vaping that I burn my taste buds and exasperate the issue. I wish I had an answer to your dilemma but I have only experienced the G6.
 

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Nope. No joy.
I've finally, regretfully, ditched my Aga-T2 foray and am back to my trusted Carto-Tanks (Boge F-16).

I've an IGO-L and a Smok RSST in the mail. With the IGO-L things'd be simpler 'coz it's Silica wicked, nothing technical about it(!), so it should work. With the RSST - I'd 'only' use Silica (again) given my failed experience with the Aga-T2. Probably I'd try Silica on the Aga too, but currently it's out-of-the-limelight.

To me, my Aga-T2 is jinxed. And that's after a metre of Kanthal, 12"x12" of SS mesh and 7-days of watching/reading anything & everything on the Aga's over the www.
 

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Nope. No joy.
I've finally, regretfully, ditched my Aga-T2

To me, my Aga-T2 is jinxed. And that's after a metre of Kanthal, 12"x12" of SS mesh and 7-days of watching/reading anything & everything on the Aga's over the www.

That sucks. I think you should contact the vendor? If your sure you did everything right?.....then maybe you could revisit this device later..
..like the poster said above, I'm surprised the more experience have missed this thread. ??
 

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Hah! I had to punch a larger air hole in mine!

qorax, how about some details? Did you actually get rid of it or are you keeping it, just in case? I love my AGAs. A silica based dripper like the IGO-L (or my beloved Smok RDA) will "taste" better, at least to my taste buds, but for all out vaping pleasure it's a genesis I go for.

All of these things can play a role:

What mesh?
Was the mesh properly pre-treated?
How much mesh did you use?
Was the wick solid or did it have a tiny hole through the center?

What wire?
How many wraps?
How did you end up oxidizing the whole thing?
What resistance did you end up with?

Fill screw in or out?
What juice?
What device?

If you still have it it may be worthwhile to pull the wick (and maybe even the coil) and try the same in your RSST when you get it. I'd be surprised if there was much of a difference but if there were it would certainly help narrow down the possibilities.
 

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Hah! I had to punch a larger air hole in mine!

qorax, how about some details? Did you actually get rid of it or are you keeping it, just in case? I love my AGAs. A silica based dripper like the IGO-L (or my beloved Smok RDA) will "taste" better, at least to my taste buds, but for all out vaping pleasure it's a genesis I go for.

All of these things can play a role:
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I'd be surprised if there was much of a difference but if there were it would certainly help narrow down the possibilities.

Thanks for assisting me Oktyabr. Here's the answers in brown:

What mesh?
Initially the stock (out of the box). I believe that was 400. Then purchased & used THIS - again a 400x400.

Was the mesh properly pre-treated?
Nothing serious, didn't wash it, but flamed it thru a cig. lighter. I don't have a butane torch, but flamed it well though, both sides, nicely to a slight earthen tint... various versions of it as I did use a lot trying out... many wicks (consumed a 12"x12" sheet u c).

How much mesh did you use?
I believe u r asking the rectangular size, right? First the stock. Then roughly +/- 4.5cm x 4.5cm pieces.

Was the wick solid or did it have a tiny hole through the center?
Tried all. Some solid, some hollow (in various hole dias), but never any in deeply condensed state like a stick.

What wire?
First the stock (I believe it was a 34 or 36AWG Nichrome), then THIS - in 32AWG.

How many wraps?
Did different coils in 3/4, 4/5 & 5/6 wraps (the max that I could accommodate in that space).

How did you end up oxidizing the whole thing?
Typically followed everything. Usually Busardo's method and eHuman's. Never 'quenched' it though in water. But used generous amounts of pure VG to have the final 'burn-thru' oxidization.

What resistance did you end up with?
Initially I had no clue... then ran out and purchased THIS multimeter* - midway of half the 12"x12" sheet. Wherein I clocked between 0.8-1.7ohms with various coils.
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*Ps.: For all folks in the neighborhood -- Canadian Tire is running a promo on this multimeter for just $9.99 a unit now.

Fill screw in or out?
Tried both -- and found no difference either way.

What juice?
I only vape (and possess) 70/30 PG/VG juices, which r either fruity or menthol or both mixed.

What device?
Tried my Aga-T2 on all my devices, the Sigelei #8, KTS and the GP Paps (I don't have my K-100 yet, it's in the mail). Everyone of them gave me the same problem, while the GP Paps was tad better - got some TH, but no flavor yet.

If you still have it it may be worthwhile to pull the wick (and maybe even the coil) and try the same in your RSST when you get it.
That's a good tip. Yes, I am keeping the Aga-T2 (for memories sake, LOL!) and I'll try the same wick+coil on the RSST when I get it (ETA this week). I'll post the outcome here for the benefit of everyone.
 

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In the literally hundreds of SS mesh wicks I have used, none gave good flavor until I vaped at least 5ml thru them. They need to break in. Also washing and rinsing the SS mesh with dish detergent before boiling seems to help. Some substances do not get boiled out and boiling just cooks them on the mesh.
 
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Dang Qorax :(

I really hope you give your AGA another shot, and are able to get it sorted.

I too drilled my airhole out to 1/16th in and contrary to logic the draw seems less airy, maybe because the added airflow helps produce an even thicker vapor. Also I will second what BJ43 said about giving them time to break in. The few SS wicks I've wrapped up have performed great but not until, at the earliest, the second tank full of juice.
 

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Yes, I can add a third vote to that. Unlike silica, which blasts you with 100% flavor and vapor the first time you press the fire button, an SS wick DOES take some time to get "seasoned" or whatever you want to call it... I didn't really think of that because even a new wick will have *some* flavor, usually not the flavor you expect though.

I DO wash my mesh with warm water and a drop of soap, usually just using my fingers to massage the soap into the mesh, then rinse it really well and then I shake any excess off of it. I use a little butane torch to flame my mesh dry. It's not much bigger than a lighter and it uses the same fuel. The real difference is that you get a consistent, blue flame, hot enough to make the mesh glow bright orange, even after it's rolled into a wick... orange all the way through it, what ever part of it I'm working on. That and I can keep that little torch burning where a disposable lighter gets very hot after a short time! A lighter should work in a pinch though.

I DO NOT "quench" my wick... not for any real reason, my wicks seem to turn out good even without quenching. I flame it, roll it, flame it again very thoroughly. Then I treat it with some juice and light it on fire. I repeat that maybe three or four times.

After a test fit (I like it just tight enough that it will hold position in the wick hole if I let go of it but easily slide up or down if I ask it to), I typically wind the coil on the wick in my hands and then put it in the wick hole and get down to pulsing the coil until it's nice and the ohms are steady too. I use about 7.5 cm x 4.5 cm for a solid wick (rolled so the finished wick is 4.5 cm tall) and about 6 cm x 4.5 cm for a "straw" type wick. Both fit the factory AGA-T2 wick hole the same way, not too tight... not too loose. The only difference is a small hole in the center of the "straw" one.

Fill up the tank with my choice of juice and drip a little on the coil too and give it a whirl. Usually by the time I've sucked up that first half a tank I top it off. By the time I hit that halfway point again it's really starting to be a wonderful vape. By the time it's nearly dry I dry burn it (with pulses!) to clean it up a bit and make sure all the coils are still firing fine. Then I fill it up and continue using it.

All my coils stay rock solid at the ohms I built it for and vape like crazy. I use the same wick over and over and over again. I've put new coils on one wick three times now, just because I wanted to try something different.

IF I'm going to change flavors in the tank to something completely different I use Phil's method of washing out the tank using a syringe of hot water; squirting it into the tank then sucking it back into the syringe. I'll repeat this several times, maybe giving the tank a good shake too when it's got water in it. Some water sooner or later squirts out the wick too which is fine. I try to get it as dry as possible (using the syringe) and then dry burn the wick until the water is gone and the coils are glowing a nice orange again. Adjust coils now if needed, then let it cool, fill with juice and go back to vaping.

I still think a very thick silica wick in a dripper tastes the best to me but SS Mesh is a close second and usually much better than any vivis or other top coils tanks I've tried. I don't do carts so I can't comment on those.

I'm interested to see what that wick is like in your RSST. Like I said, I don't expect a difference but if there IS we may be able to figure out what is going on here.

EDIT: Note that I am using #500 mesh and that different mesh might need more or less mesh to build the same thickness of wick. I built my first one out of the factory mesh, a straw type, and it still works well... in fact it's in my mini DID right now, but when I bought new mesh I wanted finer stuff too. I'm not sure I "taste" a difference between the new #500 I have and whatever size mesh that is that comes with the AGA though...
 
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@ BJ43 & Statistic
U guys may have an experienced point there. I've depleted couple of tanks though in all those trial & error methods and my woes were posted AFTER that. I don't know, maybe it's a "my" thing only that I remain unsatisfied. However, I'd try a second attempt, vape a tank and then see the outcome over another fill.

@ Oktyabr
Thanks for that semi-tutorial. I hope going thru ur way, though I pretty much did all that except the butane torch thingy, I might get some solace. So, yes I'd try again. But the problem is that I'm bored with this Aga-T2 thing. Bored & tired to death... lost my initiative & energy handling it. Thus, don't feel like returning to it all over again. While with my Carto-Tanks I've a loving relationship since the beginning of my vape journey. That's why I keep mumbling - if the Aga is so finicky - why take the trouble. I, or prolly we, like to have a system that 'works' from the word 'go'. My Aga is not. However, I promise to try it once again... after I've a breather!
 

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@ BJ43 & Statistic
U guys may have an experienced point there. I've depleted couple of tanks though in all those trial & error methods and my woes were posted AFTER that. I don't know, maybe it's a "my" thing only that I remain unsatisfied. However, I'd try a second attempt, vape a tank and then see the outcome over another fill.

@ Oktyabr
Thanks for that semi-tutorial. I hope going thru ur way, though I pretty much did all that except the butane torch thingy, I might get some solace. So, yes I'd try again. But the problem is that I'm bored with this Aga-T2 thing. Bored & tired to death... lost my initiative & energy handling it. Thus, don't feel like returning to it all over again. While with my Carto-Tanks I've a loving relationship since the beginning of my vape journey. That's why I keep mumbling - if the Aga is so finicky - why take the trouble. I, or prolly we, like to have a system that 'works' from the word 'go'. My Aga is not. However, I promise to try it once again... after I've a breather!

I understand! :) Chillax a bit and try that wick in your RSST when you get it. RBA's aren't for everyone. I don't do carts (I hate the idea of relying on something I can't build myself) so who knows... maybe they ARE the end all of flavor production; although if that were true everyone would be using them. ;)

RBAs take some practice but once you get it right and that "Ah HA!" moment strikes you it gets much easier after that. Most of us that have climbed that 'steep learning curve' don't go back to anything else.
 

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Man I thought I was the only one...I've made like 5 wicks so far and tried so many different coils and ...., and get vapor but very little flavor. Flavor is like nothing compared to my recoiled and cotton wicked evods. Although, I didn't know that it takes time for the SS mesh to break in, I have barely used half a tank on any one mesh wick...I'm going to have to make a new one again now and give it a go for another time. SS wicks are still a pain in the ... though...I use 500 mesh, 70mm wide, I don't know how you guys roll it tight enough to fit into the aga-t2 hole. I mean mine fits, but it is tight, to tight I think. It stays in place like Oktyabr said, but it isn't easy to move it up or down. Gonna try washing it also, didn't know about that. I'm gonna try it with cotton wick also when my 2mm wick comes in, i have 2.5mm cotton right now but it is to big to fit into the hole, have to cut it on a bias to slide it in but it's to tight so it doesn't wick correctly.
 

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Quick question where do you have the air hole? It's lined up with the wick right? Maybe off set it a bit to see if you feel the vape more.

Yep, done that. Then the airyness yet continues, the vapor quantity reduces (a bit), BUT - my o my - the TH gets unbearable, thus the 'cough-factor' increases. Did I tell u - I use 24mg?
 

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Well for any genny it's going to be a lot more airy than a carto it takes getting used to. Now that I'm used to it I'll use a Nova or another clero and the draw just seems to tight. If you have the funds try out a ceramic rope sinch to set up and flavor is there (for me). All this being said some people just don't like RBA'S it's not for them. If you have something that work and you love it I wouldn't mess with anything else.
 

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Well for any genny it's going to be a lot more airy than a carto it takes getting used to. Now that I'm used to it I'll use a Nova or another clero and the draw just seems to tight. If you have the funds try out a ceramic rope sinch to set up and flavor is there (for me). All this being said some people just don't like RBA'S it's not for them. If you have something that work and you love it I wouldn't mess with anything else.

Makes sense.
 
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