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  1. RipCigs

    RipCigs Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 17, 2015
    Croatia
    Me again with battery questions :D

    I ordered and paid for Samsung 25Rs from my local vape shop. They just informed me that they made a mistake and that battery is not currently available, and have offered me these as replacement:

    Sony VTC5

    Sony VTC4

    LG HE2

    LG HE4

    Should i take any of these or should i wait for the samsungs to become available again? (who knows when that will be)

    I'm leaning towards the VTC5 just looking for some confirmation from you guys that that is the right choice !

    Oh and i should mention, the top wattage i will be hitting is 30w and i do not sub ohm.
    Thanks!
     
  2. yuseffuhler

    yuseffuhler Ultra Member

    Mar 28, 2015
    Houghton, MI
    I highly doubt that the vtc5 are authentic. Almost no one has them, and if they do its probably old stock. I'd go with the vtc4.
     
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  3. RipCigs

    RipCigs Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 17, 2015
    Croatia
    Gotcha, but isn't the vtc4 in the same basket with counterfits as the vtc5? And is the lower capacity noticable?
    I don't wanna get an unsafe (fake) battery, and i also don't wanna have to charge it twice a day :D
     
  4. sonicbomb

    sonicbomb Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2015
    1187 Hunterwasser
    Alright already with the batteries..:)

    I agree about the VTC5. I would go with the VTC4 if you plan to build low as it's a 30 amp CDR cell. The Samsung and the LG are both 20 amp CDR but you will get slightly better usage time.
     
  5. sonicbomb

    sonicbomb Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2015
    1187 Hunterwasser
    If you suspect that the shop is selling dodgy goods, then don't buy from them. Easy. There are plenty of reputable online vendors.
     
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  6. RipCigs

    RipCigs Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 17, 2015
    Croatia
    Last time, promise! :D
    I haven't heard of this shop selling fakes yet, but it's hard to tell with these sony batteries.
    I am not planning on building under 1 ohm, or going above 30w. Would you recommend HE2 or HE4 in that case, or should i wait for the samsungs to come back? I keep reading mixed feelings about HE2 vs HE4, can't quite put a finger on which one is better for my range..
     
  7. sonicbomb

    sonicbomb Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2015
    1187 Hunterwasser
    ECF users seem to love the Samsung. I don't own any yet but I have vapemail inbound with a couple. I have no experience with the LGs
     
  8. tj99959

    tj99959 ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2011
    utah
    Where you buy batteries is more important than which battery you choose.

    Of the choices you gave, I would get the HE4. However I only use AW IMR batteries, but that's because I've used them for so long that if I did get a fake I would notice the difference in performance immediately.
     
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  9. inswva

    inswva Do you even squonk, bro? Verified Member ECF Veteran

    The LGs are fine for your intended usage and much less likely to be fakes. The HE2 and HE4 are virtually identical specification wise. Although I use Samsung 25Rs in much greater quantity than other cells, there is no compelling reason to wait for them to come back in stock at your local shop if the LGs are readily available.
     
  10. RipCigs

    RipCigs Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 17, 2015
    Croatia
    Thanks for all your input. I just sent a mail to the shop directly asking if they can guarantee the sony is original. I doubt they would directly lie about that since they are pretty much one of the two vapeshops in a wide area of Croatia, but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't explicitly write "not authentic" :D
    So basically if they can guarantee it is an original go for VTC5, otherwise any of the LG's right :)
     
  11. Bunnykiller

    Bunnykiller ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2013
    New Orleans La.
    VTC4 would be my choice.... been using 4 of them for over 15 months now... still holding up to the abuse I put them thru...
     
  12. Matty316

    Matty316 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 29, 2014
    Hull, England
    Samsung 25r 20 amp 2500mah (what you ordered)
    LG he2 20 amp 2500mah (this one if you want more capacity)
    Sony vtc4 30 amp 2100mah (this one if you want more amps)
     
  13. tj99959

    tj99959 ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2011
    utah
    The reason the HE4 exists is because the HE2 gets hot when discharged @ 20a.
    When testing batteries we pay close attention to temperature when being discharged, and many were saying that the HE2 did not stay within their "safe" parameters. So LG came out with the HE4 to correct that issue.
     
  14. RipCigs

    RipCigs Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 17, 2015
    Croatia
    I've read about that, also read that HE4 has more internal resistance and that HE2 outperforms it.
    The more i read the more i think that all these performance differences are so small that i most probably won't notice them. All i want is a safe battery that will last me a day :D
    I'm currently on Panasonic NCR A and wouldn't be buying new ones if they could handle 30W safely..
     
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  15. tj99959

    tj99959 ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2011
    utah
    IMO, there is no place in vaping for lithium cobalt batteries. Your pano (besides being an explosive chemistry) is only a 2C (about 6.8a) rated cell.
     
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  16. JMarca

    JMarca E-Cig Afficionado Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 19, 2013
    New York
    Get the HE4 absolutely nothing wrong with the LG batteries and not as likely to be a counterfeit. That said the last place I would ever buy a battery is a local shop or a place like e-bay or Amazon (for different reasons).

    Depending on the local vape shop they could be (usually are) completely ignorant about how to spot fakes and where to buy good batteries. As far as e-bay or Amazon they're the major hotspots where most of the fakes are sold in the first place.

    You want to buy batteries from trusted vendors that are authorized re-sellers where you can rest assured you aren't getting fakes.

    Places like:
    Illumn.com - Flashlights, Batteries, Carry Gear, Intelligent LED Lighting, and More!
    or
    Authentic AW Batteries - RTD Vapor
     
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  17. NathanielFT

    NathanielFT Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 1, 2014
    I'd ask them for proof the VTC5s are authentic and if they didn't i wouldn't buy anything from them and get the Samsung 25R cells elsewhere, they're better then legit VTC5s anyways ;)
     
  18. RipCigs

    RipCigs Super Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 17, 2015
    Croatia
    Yep, i asked them if they can guarantee it's authentic, didn't get an answer today. Guess i'll wait until tomorrow then we'll see. Thanks everyone :)
     
  19. crxess

    crxess Grumpy Ole Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 20, 2012
    Williamsport Md
    While I do agree in principle,( I enjoy mostly slightly sub-ohm vaping) I Disagree in generalized association.
    Batteries are purpose built. NO Manufacturer Specifically builds Vaping Batteries.

    Batteries are built Load specific in design.
    Someone Vaping on equipment that only pulls 2a-3a will not have issues with that battery.

    *Note* I'm 61 and have been using/building laptops & Tablets for some time. I often have my Tablets close while Racing on line.
    I do not panic that the Batteries inside are going to Explode.(Purpose Built);)

    Vape Safe, use IMR batteries whenever possible.
     
  20. tj99959

    tj99959 ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2011
    utah
    While there are lots of us that do understand, we have to remember that there are plenty that read these forums that don't even understand the difference between positive & negative.
     
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